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Re: Jaylen Brown's biggest flaw
« Reply #15 on: May 28, 2018, 05:49:00 PM »

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In general terms, I'd have to say a significant lack of skill, not to mention an absence of intelligence (well, at least on the court, anyway, imo). Dude got exposed last night.

Yeah, what have you done for us lately, Jaylen?

Right? Trade that bum! ;D

Re: Jaylen Brown's biggest flaw
« Reply #16 on: May 28, 2018, 05:57:51 PM »

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In general terms, I'd have to say a significant lack of skill, not to mention an absence of intelligence (well, at least on the court, anyway, imo). Dude got exposed last night.

Yeah, what have you done for us lately, Jaylen?

Right? Trade that bum! ;D

No kidding, he’s awful, right? ::)

Jaylen sucked last night. But he took, for the most part, high percentage shots. They didn’t fall for him and it happened to be the same night that it happened for everyone else. I’m a vacuum, you still take those same shots.

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Re: Jaylen Brown's biggest flaw
« Reply #17 on: May 28, 2018, 06:01:00 PM »

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I think Jaylen's goal in keeping the ball low is to use his elite first step in getting by his defender and put in the easy lay-up. While he sometimes doesn't get all the way through (see the 'strips' issue), his ability to change speed and direction and get an uncontested lay-up in traffic (and usually past traffic) is something very few players are able to do.

People saying that Jaylen is a poor ball-handler or can only do straight-line drives have probably not seen him play since the 2016-17 season. The dude is electric, has fantastic body control that is only getting better, and a humongous reason why we went so far in these playoffs. Did any of you see game 6? That was also a possible close-out game and on the road.

Jaylen is awesome - he really is. It's really too bad he had to have such a stinker in his last game so that everybody talks negatively about him all summer.

Re: Jaylen Brown's biggest flaw
« Reply #18 on: May 28, 2018, 06:11:40 PM »

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In general terms, I'd have to say a significant lack of skill, not to mention an absence of intelligence (well, at least on the court, anyway, imo). Dude got exposed last night.

he got exposed as what exactly? He was the leading scorer in the series going into tonight. To me he got exposed as a guy that can get you 20 a night right now in the Conference Finals.

He got exposed in terms of having no midrange game, the inability to use picks/screens insofar as catch and shoot opportunities are concerned, his "ballhandling", and, finally, his penchant for getting stuffed around the basket despite his substantial athletic gifts. Right now, he's a spot-up shooter and a guy who gets to the basket solely on straight line drives, so if you stop him, short, it's like he doesn't know what to do, lol, not to mention who was post game? ;D

That said, I do like his work ethic and aggressive mentality on both ends, but I still feel as if he's a great athlete who is learning as to how to play the game, if that makes any sense :-\.

Re: Jaylen Brown's biggest flaw
« Reply #19 on: May 28, 2018, 06:12:38 PM »

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In general terms, I'd have to say a significant lack of skill, not to mention an absence of intelligence (well, at least on the court, anyway, imo). Dude got exposed last night.

Yeah, what have you done for us lately, Jaylen?

Right? Trade that bum! ;D

No kidding, he’s awful, right? ::)

Jaylen sucked last night. But he took, for the most part, high percentage shots. They didn’t fall for him and it happened to be the same night that it happened for everyone else. I’m a vacuum, you still take those same shots.

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all those threes were not high %
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Re: Jaylen Brown's biggest flaw
« Reply #20 on: May 28, 2018, 06:13:05 PM »

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In general terms, I'd have to say a significant lack of skill, not to mention an absence of intelligence (well, at least on the court, anyway, imo). Dude got exposed last night.

Yeah, what have you done for us lately, Jaylen?

Right? Trade that bum! ;D

No kidding, he’s awful, right? ::)

Jaylen sucked last night. But he took, for the most part, high percentage shots. They didn’t fall for him and it happened to be the same night that it happened for everyone else. I’m a vacuum, you still take those same shots.

Mike

I was being sarcastic, there, and since when are you a vacuum ;) ;D?

Re: Jaylen Brown's biggest flaw
« Reply #21 on: May 28, 2018, 06:30:22 PM »

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He was definitely trying too hard. Didn’t play smart. One play in particular if I remember right was in the 4 th quarter on a secondary break he tried to take Lebron to the hole and LBJ stripped him off Jalens knee for a turnover. There was no need for that. If you take Lebron off the dribble and get in paint you kick it back out so there can be a ball reversal for a wide open shot. That’s Celtics basketball , not trying to be a hero , trying to prove your not afraid of the king. It’s one thing if your up against the shot clock but that was early. Jalen needs to understand how to get his shot off and what’s working during the game itself. He struggled with that this series , I mean how many times did Korver block him and stop him. That’s should never happen as much as it did. I think he was still hurt but that’s no excuse. Just shooting the same shots you took all year sometimes doesn’t cut. He needs to think the game more.
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Re: Jaylen Brown's biggest flaw
« Reply #22 on: May 28, 2018, 06:38:55 PM »

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He did the same things on Sunday he did on Friday, and he looked like an all-NBA player that night. He missed the shots, and made a couple of poor reads on drives. He wasn't exposed.

Jaylen didn't go to Duke. He actually was a real life college kid for a year who played varsity basketball. Tatum is a year younger, but they are quite a bit less than a year apart as far as their basketball experience is concerned.

Going to the rim in the NBA means making super fast reads on help defenders that close in very fast. It takes talent to make the shots and lots and lots of reps before you start to consistently recognize where the help can get to and where it can't. He still sometimes exposes his shooting hand into the defender.  Until a couple of years ago, he probably always got away with it.

Tatum and Brown both need to recognize when they don't have the angle to get all the way to the rim. Thy need an extra set of shots in that 6-8 foot zone. Lots of great wing scorers make their living making those shots. I'm sure they will start making those plays consistently in the next few years. They just need more reps.

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« Reply #23 on: May 28, 2018, 06:41:52 PM »

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For a guy who has great athleticism and jumping ability, he's terrible going up in traffic around the rim. Seems like he got tied up like a dozen times this series.
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Re: Jaylen Brown's biggest flaw
« Reply #24 on: May 28, 2018, 06:44:56 PM »

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In general terms, I'd have to say a significant lack of skill, not to mention an absence of intelligence (well, at least on the court, anyway, imo). Dude got exposed last night.

Yeah, what have you done for us lately, Jaylen?
I mean seriously. He only stepped into an All Star's role and helped get the team to game 7 of the ECF without the help of the All Star starting point guard.  Practically anyone could have done that

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« Reply #25 on: May 28, 2018, 07:02:09 PM »

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In general terms, I'd have to say a significant lack of skill, not to mention an absence of intelligence (well, at least on the court, anyway, imo). Dude got exposed last night.

he got exposed as what exactly? He was the leading scorer in the series going into tonight. To me he got exposed as a guy that can get you 20 a night right now in the Conference Finals.

He got exposed in terms of having no midrange game, the inability to use picks/screens insofar as catch and shoot opportunities are concerned, his "ballhandling", and, finally, his penchant for getting stuffed around the basket despite his substantial athletic gifts. Right now, he's a spot-up shooter and a guy who gets to the basket solely on straight line drives, so if you stop him, short, it's like he doesn't know what to do, lol, not to mention who was post game? ;D

That said, I do like his work ethic and aggressive mentality on both ends, but I still feel as if he's a great athlete who is learning as to how to play the game, if that makes any sense :-\.

Ya like 90% of this just isnt correct. He is actually pretty good coming off screen to the point that the celtics routinely run those plays for him. He was hitting mid range shots at about 50% in the playoffs, he has a decent game pull in up in the 10-16 range off the dribble. The post game was a strength of his all year. He does need to get better with protecting the ball on the drive, but he has some pretty nice dribble moves. He had a bad night, lets not go over board by exagerating the flaws cuz he also had plenty of games like game six where he did literally all the things you just said he can't.

Re: Jaylen Brown's biggest flaw
« Reply #26 on: May 28, 2018, 07:07:27 PM »

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In general terms, I'd have to say a significant lack of skill, not to mention an absence of intelligence (well, at least on the court, anyway, imo). Dude got exposed last night.

Yeah, what have you done for us lately, Jaylen?
I mean seriously. He only stepped into an All Star's role and helped get the team to game 7 of the ECF without the help of the All Star starting point guard.  Practically anyone could have done that

I feel like there might be some karmic effect for the Celtics in coming years because fans were unable to see a good thing when they had it.

Jaylen Brown would be accepted by 30/30 teams in the NBA. The Golden State Warriors would do whatever they could to get Jaylen to the Bay Area. I expect him to make multiple All Star Games. To pick him apart now is short-sighted, in my opinion.
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« Reply #27 on: May 28, 2018, 07:20:03 PM »

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I wouldn’t even call it an outright flaw, because it could be a strategy/coaching thing, but both Brown and Tatum should look to be agressive 100% of the time when they have the ball in the half court.

Every game we lost was a combination of poor 3pt% (which should not make or break you) and not doing a good enough job in attacking with whoever Lebron was guarding. Tatum was Lebrons man most of the time, but Brown also should have been driving it down Lebrons throat.

So what if you get swatted a few times? Draw fouls on him and get him on the bench. Run it back full speed, so if he is going to play a 48min game, he should be exhausted on his offensive possessions.

The loss was 100% on strategy and missing 3’s. An ultra aggressive Brown and Tatum, slashing their way to the rim, rather than 20 unnecessary 3’s at the beginning of possessions by Rozier (who was clearly off), Morris (who should only be shooting when WIDE open) and Smart (who has a worse 3pt% than I would in the NBA). If we had those 20 posessions back and used up more clock, made lebron chase and jump that many more times, he either wears out and misses more or gets in to foul trouble.

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« Reply #28 on: May 28, 2018, 07:26:10 PM »

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He was definitely trying too hard. Didn’t play smart. One play in particular if I remember right was in the 4 th quarter on a secondary break he tried to take Lebron to the hole and LBJ stripped him off Jalens knee for a turnover. There was no need for that. If you take Lebron off the dribble and get in paint you kick it back out so there can be a ball reversal for a wide open shot. That’s Celtics basketball , not trying to be a hero , trying to prove your not afraid of the king. It’s one thing if your up against the shot clock but that was early. Jalen needs to understand how to get his shot off and what’s working during the game itself. He struggled with that this series , I mean how many times did Korver block him and stop him. That’s should never happen as much as it did. I think he was still hurt but that’s no excuse. Just shooting the same shots you took all year sometimes doesn’t cut. He needs to think the game more.

Yeah, that was beyond ridiculous in terms of Korver, and I also agree with your assessment that Brown "needs to think the game more". Absolutely.

In general terms, I'd have to say a significant lack of skill, not to mention an absence of intelligence (well, at least on the court, anyway, imo). Dude got exposed last night.

he got exposed as what exactly? He was the leading scorer in the series going into tonight. To me he got exposed as a guy that can get you 20 a night right now in the Conference Finals.

He got exposed in terms of having no midrange game, the inability to use picks/screens insofar as catch and shoot opportunities are concerned, his "ballhandling", and, finally, his penchant for getting stuffed around the basket despite his substantial athletic gifts. Right now, he's a spot-up shooter and a guy who gets to the basket solely on straight line drives, so if you stop him, short, it's like he doesn't know what to do, lol, not to mention who was post game? ;D

That said, I do like his work ethic and aggressive mentality on both ends, but I still feel as if he's a great athlete who is learning as to how to play the game, if that makes any sense :-\.

Ya like 90% of this just isnt correct. He is actually pretty good coming off screen to the point that the celtics routinely run those plays for him. He was hitting mid range shots at about 50% in the playoffs, he has a decent game pull in up in the 10-16 range off the dribble. The post game was a strength of his all year. He does need to get better with protecting the ball on the drive, but he has some pretty nice dribble moves. He had a bad night, lets not go over board by exagerating the flaws cuz he also had plenty of games like game six where he did literally all the things you just said he can't.

Really, because I only saw that happen once during the entire series, but in looking back at his Game 6 performance, I had honestly forgotten about the two midrange shots that he made, so my mistake, there. Sorry about that one. I guess that after seeing him shoot so many threes and layups that I, well, forgot about those examples, lol.

Idk, maybe it's me, but the guy honestly looks very uncomfortable operating within the midrange area, and if he had been shooting that well from said distance during the postseason, why not opt to take a step or two inside the line, yesterday, and get himself going with an easier shot? I just think that that's weird, to say the least, and his post game, which was such a staple of his, well, game during his rookie year, has seemingly vanished. It's like he somehow deleted all of those moves from his brain or something, lol ;D.

Re: Jaylen Brown's biggest flaw
« Reply #29 on: May 28, 2018, 07:33:39 PM »

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I wouldn’t even call it an outright flaw, because it could be a strategy/coaching thing, but both Brown and Tatum should look to be agressive 100% of the time when they have the ball in the half court.

Every game we lost was a combination of poor 3pt% (which should not make or break you) and not doing a good enough job in attacking with whoever Lebron was guarding. Tatum was Lebrons man most of the time, but Brown also should have been driving it down Lebrons throat.

So what if you get swatted a few times? Draw fouls on him and get him on the bench. Run it back full speed, so if he is going to play a 48min game, he should be exhausted on his offensive possessions.

The loss was 100% on strategy and missing 3’s. An ultra aggressive Brown and Tatum, slashing their way to the rim, rather than 20 unnecessary 3’s at the beginning of possessions by Rozier (who was clearly off), Morris (who should only be shooting when WIDE open) and Smart (who has a worse 3pt% than I would in the NBA). If we had those 20 posessions back and used up more clock, made lebron chase and jump that many more times, he either wears out and misses more or gets in to foul trouble.

TP. There were only around eleven instances, iirc, during the entire series where they actually attempted to make Lebron work, defensively ::). Dude was routinely out there for long stretches where he didn't even have to contest a single shot ::), which is simply beyond ridiculous, imo.