Anthony Davis traded to Lakers(page 272)

[seancally]

Ramona Shelburne:

https://twitter.com/ShowtimeForum/status/1139265427090149383

Quote:
"I don't think Kuzma is a deal breaker. I think it's being reported incorrectly. He's not in the deal, and to even describe it as a deal right now is inaccurate. They just have had conversations on concepts right now."

"If Kuzma is not in the deal I think the Lakers would have to give up something in the future like future draft picks. The Lakers have by far the best package, and they feel like they are in the driver seat."

"My sense from the Pelicans side is that it's more so about the weight of the number of assets. I think Lonzo Ball is a pretty key part of this. I think he's the most important in this deal."

Anyone know if Shelburne is to Lakers brass as Bulpett is to Ainge & Co.?

[celticinorlando]

Lonzo Ball is an important piece to this? Why?

[jambr380]

Ramona Shelburne:

https://twitter.com/ShowtimeForum/status/1139265427090149383

Quote:
"I don't think Kuzma is a deal breaker. I think it's being reported incorrectly. He's not in the deal, and to even describe it as a deal right now is inaccurate. They just have had conversations on concepts right now."

"If Kuzma is not in the deal I think the Lakers would have to give up something in the future like future draft picks. The Lakers have by far the best package, and they feel like they are in the driver seat."

"My sense from the Pelicans side is that it's more so about the weight of the number of assets. I think Lonzo Ball is a pretty key part of this. I think he's the most important in this deal."

Like, literally all three of the comments seem inaccurate:

Kuzma definitely seems like he should be a deal-breaker from NOP's side; The Lakers definitely do NOT have by far the best package; and I can't imagine Lonzo Ball is the key to this whole thing working out.

I mean, what do I know - I'm just a guy. But this all seems like extremely biased info coming from one of LA's most notorious sources.

[jpotter33]

Ramona Shelburne:

https://twitter.com/ShowtimeForum/status/1139265427090149383

Quote:
"I don't think Kuzma is a deal breaker. I think it's being reported incorrectly. He's not in the deal, and to even describe it as a deal right now is inaccurate. They just have had conversations on concepts right now."

"If Kuzma is not in the deal I think the Lakers would have to give up something in the future like future draft picks. The Lakers have by far the best package, and they feel like they are in the driver seat."

"My sense from the Pelicans side is that it's more so about the weight of the number of assets. I think Lonzo Ball is a pretty key part of this. I think he's the most important in this deal."

No, Ramona, LA does not have “by far” the best package, you idiot. If they did, why the F would NOLA be asking them to go and get a vet star in addition to their package?!

God, even the LA-based reporters are biased, clueless morons just like their fans.

And that’s not even including the comment about Ball...

[seancally]

Ramona Shelburne:

https://twitter.com/ShowtimeForum/status/1139265427090149383

Quote:
"I don't think Kuzma is a deal breaker. I think it's being reported incorrectly. He's not in the deal, and to even describe it as a deal right now is inaccurate. They just have had conversations on concepts right now."

"If Kuzma is not in the deal I think the Lakers would have to give up something in the future like future draft picks. The Lakers have by far the best package, and they feel like they are in the driver seat."

"My sense from the Pelicans side is that it's more so about the weight of the number of assets. I think Lonzo Ball is a pretty key part of this. I think he's the most important in this deal."

Like, literally all three of the comments seem inaccurate:

Kuzma definitely seems like he should be a deal-breaker from NOP's side; The Lakers definitely do NOT have by far the best package; and I can't imagine Lonzo Ball is the key to this whole thing working out.

I mean, what do I know - I'm just a guy. But this all seems like extremely biased info coming from one of LA's most notorious sources.

Lakers maybe have the best package if Ainge is lowballing, but certainly don't have the best package if everything is on the table.

[footey]

This may be true if reports are accurate that Tatum not offered yet.

[Spicoli]

Anthony Davis is absolutely as impactful as Kawhi. He's a big and not a wing so it looks different, but he is right there. Davis on this years Raptors instead of Kawhi would be on the most talented roster he's even been on by a large margin.

There is a big difference between how good you are (impactful) and whether you can sustain the emotional discipline and pressure of 4 playoff series and beat a number of other players roughly as good as you are.

Davis probably has the most complete talent in the NBA now that LeBron is starting to slow down.

There are a number of guys that can go off for a few playoff games. Kyrie showed he was able to do that in some huge moments for Cleveland. Our own Jaylen Brown has been the best player on the floor for several playoff games already. That isn't what we're talking about.

The only ones in the NBA who have shown sustained greatness under pressure over a whole postseason is LeBron, Curry, Durant and Leonard. That's the whole list. Going forward, I'd bet on Giannis too because he's so intensely competitive, but everybody else is a maybe.

Being an MVP means nothing if you don't also have that capacity to handle sustained playoff pressure. Who cares about Harden or Westbrook. They will never win you a title like Kawhi or Durant can.

Put Davis down as a possible playoff hero, but until we see it, we don't know.

Don't see that with Curry. He was really bad in their first finals series (Iggy winning finals MVP) and he's been pedestrian in all of their other finals. The other 3 guys you mentioned seem to elevate their games in the finals, whereas Curry does not.

[Ilikesports17]

The coach cannot coach superstars.

Riddle me this, just how good is Brad if this guy never has expectations, but when he does, he fails?

Objectivity over bias; as much as I bash the people who want Kyrie off your team, they have a point. This point is, to keep Kyrie, you must gut the toxic young guys & Brad. Why? This was shown to be a failed experiment with Kyrie on the team.

Unless you can get AD, it would not be the worst idea to let Kyrie walk. I would fire the overrated coach personally. Brad did not need Kyrie, he just needed Kyrie off the team.

If we had Kyrie last year, we sweep you guys. History is the proof. BUT, Kyrie wanted to be a whiny brat, so he got inserted in a worst situation.

It's too early to say Brad can't coach superstars. This team was a mess on multiple levels and Brad failed this season, but I don't think one year is enough to stick a fork in him as a star coach.

The Boston situation is hardly worse. Bron was likely gone from Cleveland no matter what after last season and Boston is a far better run organization with a better coach and better surrounding talent.

Even with the entirely unpredictable Hayward injury, Boston is still a better situation than Cleveland.

[CptZoogs]

If Lakers truly had the best package, the deal would have been done the deadline.  NO waited for this reason, to create a bidding war.

[jambr380]

Ramona Shelburne:

https://twitter.com/ShowtimeForum/status/1139265427090149383

Quote:
"I don't think Kuzma is a deal breaker. I think it's being reported incorrectly. He's not in the deal, and to even describe it as a deal right now is inaccurate. They just have had conversations on concepts right now."

"If Kuzma is not in the deal I think the Lakers would have to give up something in the future like future draft picks. The Lakers have by far the best package, and they feel like they are in the driver seat."

"My sense from the Pelicans side is that it's more so about the weight of the number of assets. I think Lonzo Ball is a pretty key part of this. I think he's the most important in this deal."

Like, literally all three of the comments seem inaccurate:

Kuzma definitely seems like he should be a deal-breaker from NOP's side; The Lakers definitely do NOT have by far the best package; and I can't imagine Lonzo Ball is the key to this whole thing working out.

I mean, what do I know - I'm just a guy. But this all seems like extremely biased info coming from one of LA's most notorious sources.

Lakers maybe have the best package if Ainge is lowballing, but certainly don't have the best package if everything is on the table.

Maybe, but even if it just Brown, Smart, and #14, that is at least even with Ball, Ingram, #4. I mean, it shouldn't be - Ingram was expected to be an All-Star by now, Ball went ahead of even Tatum, and the #4 pick is typically supposed to be a premium pick - but that Cs package, as-is, is still pretty appetizing.

And, on top of that, we are not the Lakers. The Pels trolled LAL once - who's to say they aren't doing it again?

[celticinorlando]

Danny Ainge is not going to offer up Tatum if the Lakers are not even offering up Kuzma.

[seancally]

Ramona Shelburne:

https://twitter.com/ShowtimeForum/status/1139265427090149383

Quote:
"I don't think Kuzma is a deal breaker. I think it's being reported incorrectly. He's not in the deal, and to even describe it as a deal right now is inaccurate. They just have had conversations on concepts right now."

"If Kuzma is not in the deal I think the Lakers would have to give up something in the future like future draft picks. The Lakers have by far the best package, and they feel like they are in the driver seat."

"My sense from the Pelicans side is that it's more so about the weight of the number of assets. I think Lonzo Ball is a pretty key part of this. I think he's the most important in this deal."

Like, literally all three of the comments seem inaccurate:

Kuzma definitely seems like he should be a deal-breaker from NOP's side; The Lakers definitely do NOT have by far the best package; and I can't imagine Lonzo Ball is the key to this whole thing working out.

I mean, what do I know - I'm just a guy. But this all seems like extremely biased info coming from one of LA's most notorious sources.

Lakers maybe have the best package if Ainge is lowballing, but certainly don't have the best package if everything is on the table.

Maybe, but even if it just Brown, Smart, and #14, that is at least even with Ball, Ingram, #4. I mean, it shouldn't be - Ingram was expected to be an All-Star by now, Ball went ahead of even Tatum, and the #4 pick is typically supposed to be a premium pick - but that Cs package, as-is, is still pretty appetizing.

I'd be interested to see how teams feel about Ingram. Personally, blood clots make me nervous - maybe moreso than necessary or that what the diagnosis indicates - but it sounds scary and is the kind of thing that can derail a career. Either way, there's baggage there and baggage with Lonzo too.

[Ilikesports17]

Ramona Shelburne:

https://twitter.com/ShowtimeForum/status/1139265427090149383

Quote:
"I don't think Kuzma is a deal breaker. I think it's being reported incorrectly. He's not in the deal, and to even describe it as a deal right now is inaccurate. They just have had conversations on concepts right now."

"If Kuzma is not in the deal I think the Lakers would have to give up something in the future like future draft picks. The Lakers have by far the best package, and they feel like they are in the driver seat."

"My sense from the Pelicans side is that it's more so about the weight of the number of assets. I think Lonzo Ball is a pretty key part of this. I think he's the most important in this deal."

Like, literally all three of the comments seem inaccurate:

Kuzma definitely seems like he should be a deal-breaker from NOP's side; The Lakers definitely do NOT have by far the best package; and I can't imagine Lonzo Ball is the key to this whole thing working out.

I mean, what do I know - I'm just a guy. But this all seems like extremely biased info coming from one of LA's most notorious sources.

Lakers maybe have the best package if Ainge is lowballing, but certainly don't have the best package if everything is on the table.

Maybe, but even if it just Brown, Smart, and #14, that is at least even with Ball, Ingram, #4. I mean, it shouldn't be - Ingram was expected to be an All-Star by now, Ball went ahead of even Tatum, and the #4 pick is typically supposed to be a premium pick - but that Cs package, as-is, is still pretty appetizing.

I'd be interested to see how teams feel about Ingram. Personally, blood clots make me nervous - maybe moreso than necessary or that what the diagnosis indicates - but it sounds scary and is the kind of thing that can derail a career. Either way, there's baggage there and baggage with Lonzo too.

I'm not sure there's much baggage with Ball anymore.

[PhoSita]

Ramona Shelburne:

https://twitter.com/ShowtimeForum/status/1139265427090149383

Quote:
"I don't think Kuzma is a deal breaker. I think it's being reported incorrectly. He's not in the deal, and to even describe it as a deal right now is inaccurate. They just have had conversations on concepts right now."

"If Kuzma is not in the deal I think the Lakers would have to give up something in the future like future draft picks. The Lakers have by far the best package, and they feel like they are in the driver seat."

"My sense from the Pelicans side is that it's more so about the weight of the number of assets. I think Lonzo Ball is a pretty key part of this. I think he's the most important in this deal."

No, Ramona, LA does not have “by far” the best package, you idiot. If they did, why the F would NOLA be asking them to go and get a vet star in addition to their package?!

God, even the LA-based reporters are biased, clueless morons just like their fans.

And that’s not even including the comment about Ball...

It's all about who your sources are.  Ramona's sources are in LA.

[Ilikesports17]

Danny Ainge is not going to offer up Tatum if the Lakers are not even offering up Kuzma.

to frame it as "not even offering up Kuzma" is unfair.

The core of that package is Ingram, Ball and #4. Reports indicate they aren't willing to give up Kuzma on top of all that.

It'd be like if we had a package of Brown, Tatum and Smart and Nola asked for the Memphis pick too. I think if Boston refused that none of us would be sitting here saying "Ainge won't even give up the Memphis pick"