Anthony Davis traded to Lakers(page 272)

[CptZoogs]

This may be better served in its own thread, but where to people stand on an AD trade in comparison to where they stood on a potential Leonard trade?  Are people who said no to giving up the young assets for Leonard feeling the same way about AD?  Has Toronto's success changed anyone's mind?  Or is it a different player/different situation scenario?

[PhoSita]

If the team trades for AD and we assume Kyrie isn't coming back, the next logical move in my mind is to trade for Conley.


If the #14 pick and the MEM pick are in the AD trade that makes things tricky.

I would try to move Hayward + 20 + 22 for Conley.  Hopefully something close to that would be sufficient.  I doubt Memphis is going to do much better than that.


The only hope for keeping AD is to be a contender right away, and you aren't contending for a title with Terry Rozier as your lead ballhandler.

[RazzelnoDazzel]

If the team trades for AD and we assume Kyrie isn't coming back, the next logical move in my mind is to trade for Conley.


If the #14 pick and the MEM pick are in the AD trade that makes things tricky.

I would try to move Hayward + 20 + 22 for Conley.  Hopefully something close to that would be sufficient.  I doubt Memphis is going to do much better than that.


The only hope for keeping AD is to be a contender right away, and you aren't contending for a title with Terry Rozier as your lead ballhandler.

Well this trade will leave a hole in your lineup for a shooter and you also no longer have a future (Young guys + Picks are gone) which cancels your flexibility of a team. The only way I’d trade Hayward + picks is for a substantial upgrade at either the PG or wing, Or for future picks from somewhere.

[PhoSita]

If the team trades for AD and we assume Kyrie isn't coming back, the next logical move in my mind is to trade for Conley.


If the #14 pick and the MEM pick are in the AD trade that makes things tricky.

I would try to move Hayward + 20 + 22 for Conley.  Hopefully something close to that would be sufficient.  I doubt Memphis is going to do much better than that.


The only hope for keeping AD is to be a contender right away, and you aren't contending for a title with Terry Rozier as your lead ballhandler.

Well this trade will leave a hole in your lineup for a shooter and you also no longer have a future (Young guys + Picks are gone) which cancels your flexibility of a team. The only way I’d trade Hayward + picks is for a substantial upgrade at either the PG or wing, Or for future picks from somewhere.

Mike Conley is a huge upgrade over Rozier.


Again, it would be absolutely insane to trade for Davis without having a plan to put a team around him that can contend next year.

You're not contending if the guy responsible for handling the ball and initiating the offense is Terry Rozier.


I anticipate that some would suggest that the initiators could be Hayward and Horford.  I think those guys are really nice to have as secondary playmakers.  In today's league unless your primary scorer / star is a ballhandler (e.g. LeBron, Giannis etc) I don't think you can get away with having your main guard be as mediocre and as prone to tunnel-vision as Terry.


I agree with you that trading for AD and then also trading picks and Hayward for Conley leaves the team with basically no more assets or future flexibility. 

If the team is trading for AD, I think that's kind of the idea.  You're going all-in.  You're saying, "We believe Davis, Horford, Conley, Brown can win a title next year, or come really close, and we believe it so strongly we don't care if it all blows up after one year." 

Makes no sense to go halfway if you're trying to trade for and keep AD.  You need to be willing to go for it immediately or else you may as well not bother.

[Birdman]

If Davis does not want a long term contract, then i wouldnt trade for him..if u trade alot for him,then he leaves, we be back to a lottery team maybe

[mobilija]

If the team trades for AD and we assume Kyrie isn't coming back, the next logical move in my mind is to trade for Conley.


If the #14 pick and the MEM pick are in the AD trade that makes things tricky.

I would try to move Hayward + 20 + 22 for Conley.  Hopefully something close to that would be sufficient.  I doubt Memphis is going to do much better than that.


The only hope for keeping AD is to be a contender right away, and you aren't contending for a title with Terry Rozier as your lead ballhandler.

Well this trade will leave a hole in your lineup for a shooter and you also no longer have a future (Young guys + Picks are gone) which cancels your flexibility of a team. The only way I’d trade Hayward + picks is for a substantial upgrade at either the PG or wing, Or for future picks from somewhere.

Mike Conley is a huge upgrade over Rozier.


Again, it would be absolutely insane to trade for Davis without having a plan to put a team around him that can contend next year.

You're not contending if the guy responsible for handling the ball and initiating the offense is Terry Rozier.


I anticipate that some would suggest that the initiators could be Hayward and Horford.  I think those guys are really nice to have as secondary playmakers.  In today's league unless your primary scorer / star is a ballhandler (e.g. LeBron, Giannis etc) I don't think you can get away with having your main guard be as mediocre and as prone to tunnel-vision as Terry.


I agree with you that trading for AD and then also trading picks and Hayward for Conley leaves the team with basically no more assets or future flexibility. 

If the team is trading for AD, I think that's kind of the idea.  You're going all-in.  You're saying, "We believe Davis, Horford, Conley, Brown can win a title next year, or come really close, and we believe it so strongly we don't care if it all blows up after one year." 

Makes no sense to go halfway if you're trying to trade for and keep AD.  You need to be willing to go for it immediately or else you may as well not bother.

Wouldn't it be better to keep Hayward and go after a mid-tier guard like Rubio or something?

Hayward+Rubio > Conley?

[boscel33]

If Davis does not want a long term contract, then i wouldnt trade for him..if u trade alot for him,then he leaves, we be back to a lottery team maybe

the interesting twist is that, he might be had for less than people are offering (ideas).  he's a free agent at the end of next year, which means, the pelicans could lose him and get nothing in return.  so, while people are trying to give away the farm to get him, they might not have to.

[PhoSita]

If the team trades for AD and we assume Kyrie isn't coming back, the next logical move in my mind is to trade for Conley.


If the #14 pick and the MEM pick are in the AD trade that makes things tricky.

I would try to move Hayward + 20 + 22 for Conley.  Hopefully something close to that would be sufficient.  I doubt Memphis is going to do much better than that.


The only hope for keeping AD is to be a contender right away, and you aren't contending for a title with Terry Rozier as your lead ballhandler.

Well this trade will leave a hole in your lineup for a shooter and you also no longer have a future (Young guys + Picks are gone) which cancels your flexibility of a team. The only way I’d trade Hayward + picks is for a substantial upgrade at either the PG or wing, Or for future picks from somewhere.

Mike Conley is a huge upgrade over Rozier.


Again, it would be absolutely insane to trade for Davis without having a plan to put a team around him that can contend next year.

You're not contending if the guy responsible for handling the ball and initiating the offense is Terry Rozier.


I anticipate that some would suggest that the initiators could be Hayward and Horford.  I think those guys are really nice to have as secondary playmakers.  In today's league unless your primary scorer / star is a ballhandler (e.g. LeBron, Giannis etc) I don't think you can get away with having your main guard be as mediocre and as prone to tunnel-vision as Terry.


I agree with you that trading for AD and then also trading picks and Hayward for Conley leaves the team with basically no more assets or future flexibility. 

If the team is trading for AD, I think that's kind of the idea.  You're going all-in.  You're saying, "We believe Davis, Horford, Conley, Brown can win a title next year, or come really close, and we believe it so strongly we don't care if it all blows up after one year." 

Makes no sense to go halfway if you're trying to trade for and keep AD.  You need to be willing to go for it immediately or else you may as well not bother.

Wouldn't it be better to keep Hayward and go after a mid-tier guard like Rubio or something?

Hayward+Rubio > Conley?

Not if your goal is to be good enough next year to convince Davis to stay.

If you have a mediocre starting point guard and the guy you want to be doing most of the scoring is not your primary offensive initiator, I don't see that working.  Particularly not in the playoffs.

[JBcat]

Just saw this on twitter

https://twitter.com/FletcherWDSU

For the sake of discussion lets say this report is correct and the Cs AD trade proposal is the following

Tatum
Smart
Yabu
#14
Memphis pick (not included in post but I assume it would be included)

Looking past is this trade worth it without Kyrie and the risks in trading for AD and loosing him as a FA. I want to ask the question is this team good enough to warrant this trade.

If this trade happens,

I assume the Cs will look to draft #20 and #22 to bolster cheap depth and not look to move these picks.
For the sake of this exercise I will project them taking two NBA ready prospects Dylan Windler and Matisse Thybulle

I assume Rozier is retained

I assume Baynes takes his player option

That would leave the following projected roster

Starters
Rozier
Brown
Hayward
AD
Horford

Bench
Baynes
Semi
Williams
Windler
Thybulle

In free agency the Cs would need to find some offense off the bench in the form of a PG and a Vet wing for cheap. Morris is a possibility but I think he will get bigger offers then the Cs will offer. At wing maybe a T Ariza, J Green, or J Dudley. At PG the first though is a IT return, if not maybe Lin, Burke or go totally crazy and entertain Rondo (not likely). Without diving deep into cap exceptions lets say they sign IT (who gets back to 75% of his former greatness) and Ariza. Then add a 3rd guard (Wannamaker or Larkin), and a second round pick (Admiral Schofield/Chris Clemons)


Starters
Rozier
Brown
Hayward
AD
Horford

Bench

Ariza
IT
Baynes
Semi
Williams
Wannamaker
Windler
Thybulle
Schofield


How does this roster stack up against the top teams in the east?

Assuming Raptors, 76ers, and Bucks keep similar rosters can this Cs team beat these 3?

A lot will ride on the return to form of Hayward. If he is 80% the player he was in Utah, Brown develops further and Terry returns to his playoff form I think this team hangs with those three teams at the top of the east.

I personally am not looking forward to another season of being held hostage by a star and would probably avoid the entire mess.



Also this would be really interesting for NO.

In the draft they land Zion #1 and I would then look to take Bitgdze at #14

Starters

Holiday
Smart
Tatum
Zion
Bitgdze

that is a well fitting starting 5

Is this guy a legit source before we talk about this too much? Lol If this is the trade sign me up.  Was hoping we could hold onto Smart but I’ll get over it.

[mobilija]

If the team trades for AD and we assume Kyrie isn't coming back, the next logical move in my mind is to trade for Conley.


If the #14 pick and the MEM pick are in the AD trade that makes things tricky.

I would try to move Hayward + 20 + 22 for Conley.  Hopefully something close to that would be sufficient.  I doubt Memphis is going to do much better than that.


The only hope for keeping AD is to be a contender right away, and you aren't contending for a title with Terry Rozier as your lead ballhandler.

Well this trade will leave a hole in your lineup for a shooter and you also no longer have a future (Young guys + Picks are gone) which cancels your flexibility of a team. The only way I’d trade Hayward + picks is for a substantial upgrade at either the PG or wing, Or for future picks from somewhere.

Mike Conley is a huge upgrade over Rozier.


Again, it would be absolutely insane to trade for Davis without having a plan to put a team around him that can contend next year.

You're not contending if the guy responsible for handling the ball and initiating the offense is Terry Rozier.


I anticipate that some would suggest that the initiators could be Hayward and Horford.  I think those guys are really nice to have as secondary playmakers.  In today's league unless your primary scorer / star is a ballhandler (e.g. LeBron, Giannis etc) I don't think you can get away with having your main guard be as mediocre and as prone to tunnel-vision as Terry.


I agree with you that trading for AD and then also trading picks and Hayward for Conley leaves the team with basically no more assets or future flexibility. 

If the team is trading for AD, I think that's kind of the idea.  You're going all-in.  You're saying, "We believe Davis, Horford, Conley, Brown can win a title next year, or come really close, and we believe it so strongly we don't care if it all blows up after one year." 

Makes no sense to go halfway if you're trying to trade for and keep AD.  You need to be willing to go for it immediately or else you may as well not bother.

Wouldn't it be better to keep Hayward and go after a mid-tier guard like Rubio or something?

Hayward+Rubio > Conley?

Not if your goal is to be good enough next year to convince Davis to stay.

If you have a mediocre starting point guard and the guy you want to be doing most of the scoring is not your primary offensive initiator, I don't see that working.  Particularly not in the playoffs.

Rubio is pretty good distributor. But admittedly, PG has become one of the most important positions in today's NBA, so I get ur point.

[RazzelnoDazzel]

Now I think about it if Davis goes to Celtics this season, the Lakers may not be in position to sign him next season. Will the Lakers tank another year by keeping same team to stay low on cap space to get him next season? I dont think Lakers are in the position to take that risk. We might be able to resign AD because there won’t be any other good options. Again this all boils down to if we can create a “squad” around him right now.

[nickagneta]

If the team trades for AD and we assume Kyrie isn't coming back, the next logical move in my mind is to trade for Conley.


If the #14 pick and the MEM pick are in the AD trade that makes things tricky.

I would try to move Hayward + 20 + 22 for Conley.  Hopefully something close to that would be sufficient.  I doubt Memphis is going to do much better than that.


The only hope for keeping AD is to be a contender right away, and you aren't contending for a title with Terry Rozier as your lead ballhandler.

Well this trade will leave a hole in your lineup for a shooter and you also no longer have a future (Young guys + Picks are gone) which cancels your flexibility of a team. The only way I’d trade Hayward + picks is for a substantial upgrade at either the PG or wing, Or for future picks from somewhere.

Mike Conley is a huge upgrade over Rozier.


Again, it would be absolutely insane to trade for Davis without having a plan to put a team around him that can contend next year.

You're not contending if the guy responsible for handling the ball and initiating the offense is Terry Rozier.


I anticipate that some would suggest that the initiators could be Hayward and Horford.  I think those guys are really nice to have as secondary playmakers.  In today's league unless your primary scorer / star is a ballhandler (e.g. LeBron, Giannis etc) I don't think you can get away with having your main guard be as mediocre and as prone to tunnel-vision as Terry.


I agree with you that trading for AD and then also trading picks and Hayward for Conley leaves the team with basically no more assets or future flexibility. 

If the team is trading for AD, I think that's kind of the idea.  You're going all-in.  You're saying, "We believe Davis, Horford, Conley, Brown can win a title next year, or come really close, and we believe it so strongly we don't care if it all blows up after one year." 

Makes no sense to go halfway if you're trying to trade for and keep AD.  You need to be willing to go for it immediately or else you may as well not bother.

Wouldn't it be better to keep Hayward and go after a mid-tier guard like Rubio or something?

Hayward+Rubio > Conley?

Yes, it definitely would. The increase in talent and play from Conley to a Rubio is not greater than even Hayward playing like last year, nevermind if Hayward comes back more like the player he used to be.

Adding Rubio and keeping Hayward is just much smarter business.

[Chief Macho]

danny's gonna watch kyrie leave,  then trade for ad and watch him walk out the door next summer?   danny must not like having a job.

[Monkhouse]

All in all, I pray Kyrie Irving stays...

I really do.

Kyrie and AD could become something special, and I hope that Boston is the place where that happens.

[RazzelnoDazzel]

Now I think about it if Davis goes to Celtics this season, the Lakers may not be in position to sign him next season. Will the Lakers tank another year by keeping same team to stay low on cap space to get him next season? I dont think Lakers are in the position to take that risk. We might be able to resign AD because there won’t be any other good options. Again this all boils down to if we can create a “squad” around him right now.