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Re-sign him at a price over $14 mill. He does a lot for the team
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Too much money. The Limited offense isn't worth this much
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Re: Any Marcus Smart rumors?
« Reply #630 on: July 09, 2018, 11:58:12 PM »

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4 yrs $16 mill per probably gets him for Sac.  And they'd be better off paying him than LaVine.  The thing is if they don't overpay, my guess is that if the Celtics can get in the ballpark, he'd go with them and compete for a title vs getting every last possible dollar.

That ballpark means we’d probably have to let one of our starters go at some point. You can’t give a one-sided role player 15% of your cap.

If he gets $15 million, I’d sign Jamal Crawford and call it a day.

Honestly, I don’t think % I’d cap means much in a period where the Celtics are going to be significantly over it for a number of years, with or without Smart.  I’d look at it as % of payroll.  Can you give an elite role player like Smart 10-12% of your payroll?  You probably can if it’s a 3-year deal (so runs out when Tatum enter contract #2 and when Hayward’s deal ends).  Trickier if it’s for four years, but you can probably move him as an expiring at that time to someone for a not-exorbitant price, at worst.

Whether you want to call it % of cap or percentage of payroll, just make sure you add in ALL the costs of going into the tax in order to sign him.

Personally I see no reason to attribute that cost any more to Marcus than to Baynes.  The Celtics knew when they chose to re-sign Baynes that going into the luxury tax was a definite possibility, and if it comes to fruition because he gets the big offer he’s seeking and the Celtics match, presumably they were prepared for it.

Like it or not, Baynes is already a sunk cost.  Plus Baynes clearly came in well below market, at a very team-friendly price that didn't create any extra budget pressure.  It still left plenty of room under the threshold for Smart's AND Bird's qualifying offers.

We've been through this discussion before.  You seemed to think Baynes was the odd man out.  I disagreed.  I've said all along and I think the way things have resolved make it clear that on this current roster, if healthy, Smart is the odd man out.   Danny came to terms quickly with Baynes and has left it up to the market to determine Smart's fate.   

At this point, retaining Smart at any price above the QO they've already tendered is a decision unto itself.   And it carries a price tag.

Maybe Danny will be willing to pay that price.  We'll see.
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Re: Any Marcus Smart rumors?
« Reply #631 on: July 09, 2018, 11:58:25 PM »

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Eh Jackie Mac has said Marcus is going to go for the money several time iirc. I don't think its unreasonable to think he'd prioritize the dollars on his first big contract chance without "nefarious agent" pressure.

Re: Vlade is a loose cannon
« Reply #632 on: July 10, 2018, 12:01:36 AM »

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No problem at all for him to get his money

But then don't ever mention "I'm all about winning" again cause you're not

You can be all about winning when it's game time, and still make the right decision for you + your family when it comes to the $$$.

If Smart is going to the Kings, I hope they'll make him a very wealthy man.

Right, then Camelo is all about winning too

Re: Any Marcus Smart rumors?
« Reply #633 on: July 10, 2018, 12:09:24 AM »

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Eh Jackie Mac has said Marcus is going to go for the money several time iirc. I don't think its unreasonable to think he'd prioritize the dollars on his first big contract chance without "nefarious agent" pressure.

I'm ok either way. I've never been fan of Smarts game tbh. Give the minutes to Rozier

Re: Vlade is a loose cannon
« Reply #634 on: July 10, 2018, 12:10:13 AM »

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They'll make a big offer so the Cs don't match. Smart might be a goner

Re: Vlade is a loose cannon
« Reply #635 on: July 10, 2018, 12:23:36 AM »

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No problem at all for him to get his money

But then don't ever mention "I'm all about winning" again cause you're not

Getting money for himself is winning. How are you sure staying with Cs guarantee a championship if that is all you consider to be winning?

Yeah what you just quoted was a big time example of fan over entitlement..

Re: Any Marcus Smart rumors?
« Reply #636 on: July 10, 2018, 12:28:02 AM »

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Eh Jackie Mac has said Marcus is going to go for the money several time iirc. I don't think its unreasonable to think he'd prioritize the dollars on his first big contract chance without "nefarious agent" pressure.
Its not just the money.  Presumably he’d get more playing time in sac too.  That’s the tough part of this.  Many fans asking smart to take less both in money and role to stay in Boston.  That’s simply too much to ask IMO.

Re: Any Marcus Smart rumors?
« Reply #637 on: July 10, 2018, 12:36:40 AM »

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Smart has left the seat with the group and on his way out, he dapped up Danny Ainge, both of them laughing

Re: Vlade is a loose cannon
« Reply #638 on: July 10, 2018, 12:37:41 AM »

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We own Sacramento's pick.

Re: Vlade is a loose cannon
« Reply #639 on: July 10, 2018, 12:45:02 AM »

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No problem at all for him to get his money

But then don't ever mention "I'm all about winning" again cause you're not

You can be all about winning when it's game time, and still make the right decision for you + your family when it comes to the $$$.

If Smart is going to the Kings, I hope they'll make him a very wealthy man.

Very true. Gotta look at it from all angles. Look at IT, he was all about winning, even to the cost of injuring himself and wrecking his Brinks truck (or at least half a Brinks truck) hopes. Marcus needs to do what is best for himself, this is how he makes a living after all. And while I would love to have him back, I definitely don't want us to overpay for him.
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Re: Vlade is a loose cannon
« Reply #640 on: July 10, 2018, 12:46:44 AM »

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Could Vlade structure this contract in a funky way, knowing the Celtics are against the wall as far as LT?

Re: Vlade is a loose cannon
« Reply #641 on: July 10, 2018, 12:55:44 AM »

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I don't like the idea of Smart signing with the Kings either. Not only we'd lose his impact, but Kings might move down in the draft and win more games than we're expecting.

The time Smart was drafted, Celtics made it out of the lottery. Granted, it was in the horrible eastern conference. But drafting with any lower than top 5 is bad for our pick.

Re: Vlade is a loose cannon
« Reply #642 on: July 10, 2018, 01:13:07 AM »

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Celtics are going to match. They wanted to delay this inevitability a year, they were hoping Smart would just have to settle for the QO, but since their back will be again the wall, they will match.

Now that begs the question: now what? Let's say it's for $13M per, That would leave them roughly 5.5M into LT area, and then we would start moving towards repeater tax territory. Then we should start talking about salary dumping Morris.

Re: Any Marcus Smart rumors?
« Reply #643 on: July 10, 2018, 03:35:35 AM »

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Here we go. Sac prepping an offer sheet according to NBC..

SURELY VLADE WONT SINK BAD CASH AGAIN!

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Re: Any Marcus Smart rumors?
« Reply #644 on: July 10, 2018, 04:26:45 AM »

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If they offer Lavine 4 years 78 million, they will do the same to Smart..overpaying..im saying crazy Divac offer 4 year at 15 per
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