Marcus Smart RFA [Merged - finalizing 4 year deal]

[saltlover]

I think we need to try to lock up Smart on a multi-year deal.

If he signs the QO, we keep him but probably only for a year. We don't keep his Bird Rights after this year (if he re-signs with QO), right?

No, we keep his bird rights. He'd just be unrestricted so we'd lose the right to match.

His value isn't going higher next season
So it will be his choice to stay on the team or not
And if he decide to leave, well i don't want a player who don't want to be here anyway

He'll have a much better opportunity to get paid next offseason.  He'll be a UFA and teams will have significantly more cap space.  We'll be focused on re-signing Irving and possibly Horford. 
Could end up losing both Smart and Rozier.

Rozier will be restricted next year. Doubt we lose them both in same year, besides, we could have a very high draft pick, like top 5, to replace Smart, and another pick that could be in the lottery to replace Rozier.

That top 5 pick needs to go for a big, preferably an actual center.

Not a lot of good bigs at the top of next year's draft, unfortunately.

That's why I didn't want the Celtics giving up the Brooklyn pick last year, but that's a dead issue now, so Danny will have to find a way to make it work.

Of course all the top bigs were gone even by the time the Brooklyn pick came up, so it’s moot anyway.

[KGs Knee]

I think we need to try to lock up Smart on a multi-year deal.

If he signs the QO, we keep him but probably only for a year. We don't keep his Bird Rights after this year (if he re-signs with QO), right?

No, we keep his bird rights. He'd just be unrestricted so we'd lose the right to match.

His value isn't going higher next season
So it will be his choice to stay on the team or not
And if he decide to leave, well i don't want a player who don't want to be here anyway

He'll have a much better opportunity to get paid next offseason.  He'll be a UFA and teams will have significantly more cap space.  We'll be focused on re-signing Irving and possibly Horford. 
Could end up losing both Smart and Rozier.

Rozier will be restricted next year. Doubt we lose them both in same year, besides, we could have a very high draft pick, like top 5, to replace Smart, and another pick that could be in the lottery to replace Rozier.

That top 5 pick needs to go for a big, preferably an actual center.

Not a lot of good bigs at the top of next year's draft, unfortunately.

That's why I didn't want the Celtics giving up the Brooklyn pick last year, but that's a dead issue now, so Danny will have to find a way to make it work.

Of course all the top bigs were gone even by the time the Brooklyn pick came up, so it’s moot anyway.

Well, Ainge could have traded up from 8 to grab one of the top bigs.

But I'm much happier we have Kyrie anyways, so I'm not worried.

[TheTruthFot18]

I think we need to try to lock up Smart on a multi-year deal.

If he signs the QO, we keep him but probably only for a year. We don't keep his Bird Rights after this year (if he re-signs with QO), right?

No, we keep his bird rights. He'd just be unrestricted so we'd lose the right to match.

His value isn't going higher next season
So it will be his choice to stay on the team or not
And if he decide to leave, well i don't want a player who don't want to be here anyway

He'll have a much better opportunity to get paid next offseason.  He'll be a UFA and teams will have significantly more cap space.  We'll be focused on re-signing Irving and possibly Horford. 
Could end up losing both Smart and Rozier.

Rozier will be restricted next year. Doubt we lose them both in same year, besides, we could have a very high draft pick, like top 5, to replace Smart, and another pick that could be in the lottery to replace Rozier.

That top 5 pick needs to go for a big, preferably an actual center.

Not a lot of good bigs at the top of next year's draft, unfortunately.

That's why I didn't want the Celtics giving up the Brooklyn pick last year, but that's a dead issue now, so Danny will have to find a way to make it work.

Of course all the top bigs were gone even by the time the Brooklyn pick came up, so it’s moot anyway.

Well, Ainge could have traded up from 8 to grab one of the top bigs.

But I'm much happier we have Kyrie anyways, so I'm not worried.

Just because we're buying, doesn't mean other teams are selling. Especially when all the other teams in the lottery knew this was a good year. How much was Danny willing to overpay to move up 2-3 spots?

[Dino Pitino]

Of course all the top bigs were gone even by the time the Brooklyn pick came up, so it’s moot anyway.

The best available big at #8 would've been Williams.

[Scintan]

I think we need to try to lock up Smart on a multi-year deal.

If he signs the QO, we keep him but probably only for a year. We don't keep his Bird Rights after this year (if he re-signs with QO), right?

No, we keep his bird rights. He'd just be unrestricted so we'd lose the right to match.

His value isn't going higher next season
So it will be his choice to stay on the team or not
And if he decide to leave, well i don't want a player who don't want to be here anyway

He'll have a much better opportunity to get paid next offseason.  He'll be a UFA and teams will have significantly more cap space.  We'll be focused on re-signing Irving and possibly Horford. 
Could end up losing both Smart and Rozier.

Rozier will be restricted next year. Doubt we lose them both in same year, besides, we could have a very high draft pick, like top 5, to replace Smart, and another pick that could be in the lottery to replace Rozier.

That top 5 pick needs to go for a big, preferably an actual center.

Not a lot of good bigs at the top of next year's draft, unfortunately.

That's why I didn't want the Celtics giving up the Brooklyn pick last year, but that's a dead issue now, so Danny will have to find a way to make it work.

Of course all the top bigs were gone even by the time the Brooklyn pick came up, so it’s moot anyway.

One could argue Porter, and one could argue that Boston lucked into one with Williams, but it's all irrelevant as anything other than a footnote at this point, anyway.  And, thanks to Brooklyn's pick falling to 8th, people's remorse over the trade is mostly "what if?" at this point, as opposed to "See?".

The team needs a center.  Here's to hoping that Williams works out, and that Ainge finds another one in next year's draft, as well.

[Vermont Green]

With Dwight Howard reportedly signing in Washington, I don't know who else is left that the Celtics would sign other than Marcus.  Tough year to be a FA.

[Androslav]

QO.

[nickagneta]

I think we need to try to lock up Smart on a multi-year deal.

If he signs the QO, we keep him but probably only for a year. We don't keep his Bird Rights after this year (if he re-signs with QO), right?

No, we keep his bird rights. He'd just be unrestricted so we'd lose the right to match.

His value isn't going higher next season
So it will be his choice to stay on the team or not
And if he decide to leave, well i don't want a player who don't want to be here anyway

He'll have a much better opportunity to get paid next offseason.  He'll be a UFA and teams will have significantly more cap space.  We'll be focused on re-signing Irving and possibly Horford. 
Could end up losing both Smart and Rozier.

Rozier will be restricted next year. Doubt we lose them both in same year, besides, we could have a very high draft pick, like top 5, to replace Smart, and another pick that could be in the lottery to replace Rozier.

That top 5 pick needs to go for a big, preferably an actual center.

Not a lot of good bigs at the top of next year's draft, unfortunately.

That's why I didn't want the Celtics giving up the Brooklyn pick last year, but that's a dead issue now, so Danny will have to find a way to make it work.

Of course all the top bigs were gone even by the time the Brooklyn pick came up, so it’s moot anyway.

One could argue Porter, and one could argue that Boston lucked into one with Williams, but it's all irrelevant as anything other than a footnote at this point, anyway.  And, thanks to Brooklyn's pick falling to 8th, people's remorse over the trade is mostly "what if?" at this point, as opposed to "See?".

The team needs a center.  Here's to hoping that Williams works out, and that Ainge finds another one in next year's draft, as well.

The team has Al Horford a 2nd team All-Defense center who also happens to be the best passing center in the league while scoring 13 PPG and gets 7.5 RPG. Al also shoots 43% from three on good volume.

They also just sign Baynes for 2 years and he put up some of the best defensive stats for centers in the league. He's the best rim protector they have and a presence down low.

Then Celtics drafted a guy who was expected to go top 10 who is a center and could develop into a better defensive version of Clint Capella. It will take a few years to see. There's no rush to add a center in next years draft that might cost you a superstar at another position because you're to busy taking the best center available.

[trickybilly]

@Saltlover:

Just curious if Marcus does take the QO, what further moves do you think are most likely? And what salary implications are there for next offseason, when Marcus will be much more able to get a much better (and much longer) deal?

[hwangjini_1]

apologies if this was already posted:

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/celtics/smart-likely-sign-qualifying-offer-return-celtics

[saltlover]

@Saltlover:

Just curious if Marcus does take the QO, what further moves do you think are most likely? And what salary implications are there for next offseason, when Marcus will be much more able to get a much better (and much longer) deal?

It depends when Marcus signs the QO.  If he signs it tomorrow, we’d be at 15, but with enough tax room to sign another player while staying under the tax and releasing Nader without having to stretch him.  I expect that would happen (most likely with Bird being signed, but perhaps a vet free agent).  If Marcus waited until training camp, it’s likely Nader would have been stretched, but perhaps he’d still be on the roster.  Some of that depends on Bird — will he have accepted the QO by then, gotten an offer that we’ve matched, gotten an offer that wasn’t matched, or gone overseas?  Can’t say, honestly.  If Bird has required us to make a decision because he’s gotten another offer, Nader will be off the roster.  And if Marcus waits until training camp, it’s unliekly that a vet that we’d be interested in would be available.

I expect that we would have to wait for a while for Smart.  He knows the team isn’t rescinding the QO, but he can wait until the October 1st deadline to sign it while negotiations continue.  Jabari Bird could be caught in the unfortunate crossfire and not get a deal from anyone, forcing him to a 2-way or Europe.

As for next offseason, the loser would probably be Terry.  If Smart is signed long-term this year and the Celtics re-sign Kyrie, Terry can probably comfortably field offers from teams not worried the Celtics will match.  If Smart is a UFA, the Celtics could let him walk if he got that big offer, and instead keep Rozier for at least one more season on his QO.

[trickybilly]

@Saltlover:

Just curious if Marcus does take the QO, what further moves do you think are most likely? And what salary implications are there for next offseason, when Marcus will be much more able to get a much better (and much longer) deal?

It depends when Marcus signs the QO.  If he signs it tomorrow, we’d be at 15, but with enough tax room to sign another player while staying under the tax and releasing Nader without having to stretch him.  I expect that would happen (most likely with Bird being signed, but perhaps a vet free agent).  If Marcus waited until training camp, it’s likely Nader would have been stretched, but perhaps he’d still be on the roster.  Some of that depends on Bird — will he have accepted the QO by then, gotten an offer that we’ve matched, gotten an offer that wasn’t matched, or gone overseas?  Can’t say, honestly.  If Bird has required us to make a decision because he’s gotten another offer, Nader will be off the roster.  And if Marcus waits until training camp, it’s unliekly that a vet that we’d be interested in would be available.

I expect that we would have to wait for a while for Smart.  He knows the team isn’t rescinding the QO, but he can wait until the October 1st deadline to sign it while negotiations continue.  Jabari Bird could be caught in the unfortunate crossfire and not get a deal from anyone, forcing him to a 2-way or Europe.

As for next offseason, the loser would probably be Terry.  If Smart is signed long-term this year and the Celtics re-sign Kyrie, Terry can probably comfortably field offers from teams not worried the Celtics will match.  If Smart is a UFA, the Celtics could let him walk if he got that big offer, and instead keep Rozier for at least one more season on his QO.

TP. As always.

I was surprised to learn that Smart can still field offers until training camp. EDIT: (Camp starts October 1)

Surely we can't be expected to wait several more weeks to see if someone can move enough money around to make him a big offer...

[saltlover]

@Saltlover:

Just curious if Marcus does take the QO, what further moves do you think are most likely? And what salary implications are there for next offseason, when Marcus will be much more able to get a much better (and much longer) deal?

It depends when Marcus signs the QO.  If he signs it tomorrow, we’d be at 15, but with enough tax room to sign another player while staying under the tax and releasing Nader without having to stretch him.  I expect that would happen (most likely with Bird being signed, but perhaps a vet free agent).  If Marcus waited until training camp, it’s likely Nader would have been stretched, but perhaps he’d still be on the roster.  Some of that depends on Bird — will he have accepted the QO by then, gotten an offer that we’ve matched, gotten an offer that wasn’t matched, or gone overseas?  Can’t say, honestly.  If Bird has required us to make a decision because he’s gotten another offer, Nader will be off the roster.  And if Marcus waits until training camp, it’s unliekly that a vet that we’d be interested in would be available.

I expect that we would have to wait for a while for Smart.  He knows the team isn’t rescinding the QO, but he can wait until the October 1st deadline to sign it while negotiations continue.  Jabari Bird could be caught in the unfortunate crossfire and not get a deal from anyone, forcing him to a 2-way or Europe.

As for next offseason, the loser would probably be Terry.  If Smart is signed long-term this year and the Celtics re-sign Kyrie, Terry can probably comfortably field offers from teams not worried the Celtics will match.  If Smart is a UFA, the Celtics could let him walk if he got that big offer, and instead keep Rozier for at least one more season on his QO.

TP. As always.

I was surprised to learn that Smart can still field offers until training camp. EDIT: (Camp starts October 1)

Surely we can't be expected to wait several more weeks to see if someone can move enough money around to make him a big offer...

If we don’t want to wait that long, we can rescind his QO by July 13th unilaterally, or later if he agrees to the QO being revoked.  I don’t see either happening, so it could drag on a while.  On October 1st the Celtics can make the QO go away but Smart would still be restricted, reducing his leverage further, so it will likely end by that date.  If it goes beyond the next week or so, I expect it won’t be resolved until late September, because deadlines have a way of making things happen.

[celticinorlando]

@AdamHimmelsbach said on @NBCSBoston it's possible Marcus Smart's free agency could linger until September or October, considering neither side is in a rush to get the deal done. #Celtics

[loco_91]

@Saltlover:

Just curious if Marcus does take the QO, what further moves do you think are most likely? And what salary implications are there for next offseason, when Marcus will be much more able to get a much better (and much longer) deal?

It depends when Marcus signs the QO.  If he signs it tomorrow, we’d be at 15, but with enough tax room to sign another player while staying under the tax and releasing Nader without having to stretch him.  I expect that would happen (most likely with Bird being signed, but perhaps a vet free agent).  If Marcus waited until training camp, it’s likely Nader would have been stretched, but perhaps he’d still be on the roster.  Some of that depends on Bird — will he have accepted the QO by then, gotten an offer that we’ve matched, gotten an offer that wasn’t matched, or gone overseas?  Can’t say, honestly.  If Bird has required us to make a decision because he’s gotten another offer, Nader will be off the roster.  And if Marcus waits until training camp, it’s unliekly that a vet that we’d be interested in would be available.

I expect that we would have to wait for a while for Smart.  He knows the team isn’t rescinding the QO, but he can wait until the October 1st deadline to sign it while negotiations continue.  Jabari Bird could be caught in the unfortunate crossfire and not get a deal from anyone, forcing him to a 2-way or Europe.

As for next offseason, the loser would probably be Terry.  If Smart is signed long-term this year and the Celtics re-sign Kyrie, Terry can probably comfortably field offers from teams not worried the Celtics will match.  If Smart is a UFA, the Celtics could let him walk if he got that big offer, and instead keep Rozier for at least one more season on his QO.

Great analysis re: implications for Rozier