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Re: Ainge saw something in Rozier
« Reply #15 on: April 14, 2018, 02:52:19 AM »

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If I am wanting to max out points based on shots taken and wanting to max out the ability for a player to score while they make those shots, I am taking Morris 7 days a week than over Rozier.

same. Rozier is too darn inconsistent still.

amen ......to dat

Re: Ainge saw something in Rozier
« Reply #16 on: April 14, 2018, 09:05:07 AM »

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at least there's a handful of us that see avery Bradley in rozier... and that's not a good thing.

Re: Ainge saw something in Rozier
« Reply #17 on: April 14, 2018, 09:07:52 AM »

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at least there's a handful of us that see avery Bradley in rozier... and that's not a good thing.
He is AB.
Just more athletic, better shooter from deep, better rebounder, better of the dribble and more durable.
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Re: Ainge saw something in Rozier
« Reply #18 on: April 14, 2018, 10:13:53 AM »

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at least there's a handful of us that see avery Bradley in rozier... and that's not a good thing.
He is AB.
Just more athletic, better shooter from deep, better rebounder, better of the dribble and more durable.

Rozier is NOT a better shooter from deep than Bradley. They are arguably comparable 3p shooters at this stage, as Bradley is around a 37% career 3pt shooter, and Rozier hit 38% of his 3s this season. But Bradley has a much more proven body of work regarding his 3pt shooting, outside of the shooting struggles he went through in the season (2012-2013) after his double shoulder surgery.

Bradley was hitting 3s at 40% by his sophomore season.

It took Rozier 'til his third season to start hitting 3s at a respectable 38%.

Bradley hit 38% of his 3s for a weak Detroit team this yr, and its more difficult to get open on teams like that with less floor spacing. And then his season 3pt average slid to .366% after a half dozen bad shooting games with the Clippers.

Both Bradley & Rozier have career highs of 8 3pt fgs made in a game.

Rozier's career high in scoring is 33. Bradley's career high in scoring is 32.

Bradley is typically less aggressive with volume shooting, and more cautious with shot selection than Rozier is. Which is arguably why Rozier has some nights where he looks like Ray Allen from deep, and other nights where he looks like JR Smith (on a JR Smith off night).

But anyways...Wayy  too early to say that Rozier is a better shooter from deep than Bradley is. Not enough respect around here for AB ever since he's been gone. He may have been a lmtd player in some ways, but he was always a solid 3&D SG for the C's, ferrocious on defense, and the epitome of a Celtic attitude wise.

Food for thought.



Re: Ainge saw something in Rozier
« Reply #19 on: April 14, 2018, 10:39:49 AM »

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Rozier has been good this year. A lot of us were scratching our heads when Danny made the pick, but he has been a pleasant surprise.

I don't think we need to force a comparison on Rozier. I know its cliche, but we should let him play his own game and we can judge him against what we see today- not what we saw in the 80's. I don't think its fair to compare Rozier to a Hall of Famer this early in his career.

I think Rozier will be pretty good against MIL. I'm excited to watch him play.
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Re: Ainge saw something in Rozier
« Reply #20 on: April 14, 2018, 10:54:22 AM »

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at least there's a handful of us that see avery Bradley in rozier... and that's not a good thing.
He is AB.
Just more athletic, better shooter from deep, better rebounder, better of the dribble and more durable.
Not gonna argue the deep shooting or rebounding.  It’s close and you can argue AB is better at both.  I do agree however that Rozier is a better dribbler/ball-handler/penetrator and seems to be more durable.

Re: Ainge saw something in Rozier
« Reply #21 on: April 14, 2018, 12:44:39 PM »

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at least there's a handful of us that see avery Bradley in rozier... and that's not a good thing.

AB ....was either brilliant shooter or could not throw the ball in the ocean .  Hardly any in between.  Drove me crazy than I am.

Rozier is way more durable and excellent rebounder . But has the same tendencies to go stone cold at the wrong time.

in the end.  AB is one of average good guy likeable players that CBS made to look way better than he actually is.   Good thing for DA .....he will get the most out trades .

Re: Ainge saw something in Rozier
« Reply #22 on: April 14, 2018, 01:18:22 PM »

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Rather have TRoz than Justise Winslow....never thought I’d say that.

Booker, Towns, Russel(?), Porzingis, Turner are the only guys that I would rather have over Rozier in that draft.

If we had not backed into the playoffs that year, we would’ve had a chance for Turner or Booker, but Ainge was so enamored with Winslow, that he would have gotten him.

In retrospect, maybe we were lucky ......and Ainge was good.


Re: Ainge saw something in Rozier
« Reply #23 on: April 14, 2018, 01:33:39 PM »

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AB is a 3 and D shooting guard with a nice work ethic, while Rozier is at this point a spark plug PG, with defensive chops. Different roles, but both have shown good enough attitude to outperform their draft position.
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Re: Ainge saw something in Rozier
« Reply #24 on: April 14, 2018, 01:46:25 PM »

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Rather have TRoz than Justise Winslow....never thought I’d say that.

Booker, Towns, Russel(?), Porzingis, Turner are the only guys that I would rather have over Rozier in that draft.

If we had not backed into the playoffs that year, we would’ve had a chance for Turner or Booker, but Ainge was so enamored with Winslow, that he would have gotten him.

In retrospect, maybe we were lucky ......and Ainge was good.

For such a promising draft, there really were some disappointments. Okafor, Hezonja, Mudiay, Johnson, etc. Most of us were on board with the 'magic' of that season and our push for the playoffs, but once we were swept and were looking towards the draft, I think that excitement wore away quickly.

Rozier has certainly surpassed expectations. This season was a complete disaster in terms of injuries, but seeing Tatum, Brown, and [yes] Rozier emerge gave the fans something to look forward to. Our potential is endless.

Re: Ainge saw something in Rozier
« Reply #25 on: April 14, 2018, 01:51:22 PM »

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Rather have TRoz than Justise Winslow....never thought I’d say that.

Booker, Towns, Russel(?), Porzingis, Turner are the only guys that I would rather have over Rozier in that draft.

If we had not backed into the playoffs that year, we would’ve had a chance for Turner or Booker, but Ainge was so enamored with Winslow, that he would have gotten him.

In retrospect, maybe we were lucky ......and Ainge was good.

I can't argue with the above.

Yes Rozier is inconsistent but he has an extreme energy level and has been very durable.  He also seems to be constantly working on his game and improving as an offensive threat, as a playmaker and as a defender.  He will at least make the opposing PG work at both ends of the floor.
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Re: Ainge saw something in Rozier
« Reply #26 on: April 14, 2018, 03:10:47 PM »

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Rather have TRoz than Justise Winslow....never thought I’d say that.

Booker, Towns, Russel(?), Porzingis, Turner are the only guys that I would rather have over Rozier in that draft.

If we had not backed into the playoffs that year, we would’ve had a chance for Turner or Booker, but Ainge was so enamored with Winslow, that he would have gotten him.

In retrospect, maybe we were lucky ......and Ainge was good.

I can't argue with the above.

Yes Rozier is inconsistent but he has an extreme energy level and has been very durable.  He also seems to be constantly working on his game and improving as an offensive threat, as a playmaker and as a defender.  He will at least make the opposing PG work at both ends of the floor.

For those who think Rozier is inconsistent - what other players do you have in mind who are more consistent? I'm asking for guards who play a similar role, get similar minutes, but are more consistent than him.

Re: Ainge saw something in Rozier
« Reply #27 on: April 14, 2018, 03:25:46 PM »

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Rather have TRoz than Justise Winslow....never thought I’d say that.

Booker, Towns, Russel(?), Porzingis, Turner are the only guys that I would rather have over Rozier in that draft.

If we had not backed into the playoffs that year, we would’ve had a chance for Turner or Booker, but Ainge was so enamored with Winslow, that he would have gotten him.

In retrospect, maybe we were lucky ......and Ainge was good.

For such a promising draft, there really were some disappointments. Okafor, Hezonja, Mudiay, Johnson, etc. Most of us were on board with the 'magic' of that season and our push for the playoffs, but once we were swept and were looking towards the draft, I think that excitement wore away quickly.

Rozier has certainly surpassed expectations. This season was a complete disaster in terms of injuries, but seeing Tatum, Brown, and [yes] Rozier emerge gave the fans something to look forward to. Our potential is endless.

Agree and agree.

Lots of disappointments....and....really dodged a bullet in not giving up all those picks for Winslow.

And the silver lining to the injuries, including Smart’s and Theis’, speaks to the adage, “  what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger… “; the in -season and now playoff experience are invaluable, both in increasing our players’ value in trades or for making runs for the next 10 years.... GREAT STUFF....and TP for the shared Optimism for the future… Hell, I’m even looking forward to making some noise in these playoffs.

Re: Ainge saw something in Rozier
« Reply #28 on: April 14, 2018, 03:27:04 PM »

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Rather have TRoz than Justise Winslow....never thought I’d say that.

Booker, Towns, Russel(?), Porzingis, Turner are the only guys that I would rather have over Rozier in that draft.

If we had not backed into the playoffs that year, we would’ve had a chance for Turner or Booker, but Ainge was so enamored with Winslow, that he would have gotten him.

In retrospect, maybe we were lucky ......and Ainge was good.

I can't argue with the above.

Yes Rozier is inconsistent but he has an extreme energy level and has been very durable.  He also seems to be constantly working on his game and improving as an offensive threat, as a playmaker and as a defender.  He will at least make the opposing PG work at both ends of the floor.

The energy and durability have been huge for the stability and success of this team… Astute observation… TP!

Re: Ainge saw something in Rozier
« Reply #29 on: April 14, 2018, 03:28:59 PM »

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Rather have TRoz than Justise Winslow....never thought I’d say that.

Booker, Towns, Russel(?), Porzingis, Turner are the only guys that I would rather have over Rozier in that draft.

If we had not backed into the playoffs that year, we would’ve had a chance for Turner or Booker, but Ainge was so enamored with Winslow, that he would have gotten him.

In retrospect, maybe we were lucky ......and Ainge was good.

I can't argue with the above.

Yes Rozier is inconsistent but he has an extreme energy level and has been very durable.  He also seems to be constantly working on his game and improving as an offensive threat, as a playmaker and as a defender.  He will at least make the opposing PG work at both ends of the floor.

For those who think Rozier is inconsistent - what other players do you have in mind who are more consistent? I'm asking for guards who play a similar role, get similar minutes, but are more consistent than him.

Exactly!..... I think people who think he isn’t consistent Are remembering the pre-Kyrie and Smart injury time.