Random question about the Boogie trade

[incoherent]

Honest question to Roy.  Do you play devils advocate to stir up activity on the boards? Or would you honestly trade for Cousins right now? And you would trade Rozier + pick for JJ Barea?

Roy your basketball takes are out of this world and I think there is more to it... you must be playing devils advocate for fun?

[Roy H.]

Honest question to Roy.  Do you play devils advocate to stir up activity on the boards? Or would you honestly trade for Cousins right now? And you would trade Rozier + pick for JJ Barea?

Roy your basketball takes are out of this world and I think there is more to it... you must be playing devils advocate for fun?

Barea is better than Rozier.

Boogie is better than roughly 97% of NBA players.

[incoherent]

Honest question to Roy.  Do you play devils advocate to stir up activity on the boards? Or would you honestly trade for Cousins right now? And you would trade Rozier + pick for JJ Barea?

Roy your basketball takes are out of this world and I think there is more to it... you must be playing devils advocate for fun?

Barea is better than Rozier.

Boogie is better than roughly 97% of NBA players.

So you trade for Cousins then and you would trade Rozier for Barea?

Ok so not playing devils advocate you actually want us to do these things.  Thanks for the clarification.

[Eddie20]

Honest question to Roy.  Do you play devils advocate to stir up activity on the boards? Or would you honestly trade for Cousins right now? And you would trade Rozier + pick for JJ Barea?

Roy your basketball takes are out of this world and I think there is more to it... you must be playing devils advocate for fun?

Boogie is better than roughly 97% of NBA players.

Do you actually watch Pelicans' games or are you basing that just off boxscores? I can see how someone who doesn't watch Boogie can overrate him based on numbers.

[Boris Badenov]

Just checking what the final haul from the trade was (Hield, Justin Jackson, Giles, Galloway, Evans), after seeing Cousins argue with refs after two no-calls, not running back on D, in two critical spots in the game. Anthony Davis was sitting on the bench at the time and must've been pulling his hair out.

He had a couple bone-head plays where he dribbled like Jamal Crawford at the three point line, threw up two late shot clock heaves after 20 seconds of you-are-fooling-no-one dribbling.

I would love to know what Danny offered for him, but it can't have been much, and my word that now looks like a savvy not-move in hindsight..

The guy is averaging 25.5 points / 12.6 rebounds / 5.4 assists / 1.7 steals / 1.6 blocks / .521 eFG%. His team is above .500 and would currently make the playoffs, despite a really poorly-constructed roster.  He’s got, by far, the best DRtg on his team.

But yeah, he picks up a tech on average every 3 or 4 games, the same as Dray Green.

He's also a ball stopper, who sulks, gives inconsistent effort, and take a lot of plays off defensively.

Tons of talent, but not a winning player.

On that point (but with data), on a team with little talent beyond Davis, Cousins is managing a measly -2.4 point net plus-minus this year. He makes the Pelicans worse overall, at least so far this season.

The Pelicans are 8 points worse offensively with him on the floor despite his gaudy numbers, mostly because they become a much less efficient scoring team and turn it over more. They are about 5 points better on D with Cousins out there. (But see Davis's numbers below).

Meanwhile the Pels are a +6 on offense and a +12 on defense with Davis on the floor, for an overall +17 net plus-minus. Davis makes them better in terms of efficiency, rebounding, passing, you name it. And makes their opponents significantly worse.

It's surprising to me that these differences could be so big given that these two share the floor a lot.

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

Just checking what the final haul from the trade was (Hield, Justin Jackson, Giles, Galloway, Evans), after seeing Cousins argue with refs after two no-calls, not running back on D, in two critical spots in the game. Anthony Davis was sitting on the bench at the time and must've been pulling his hair out.

He had a couple bone-head plays where he dribbled like Jamal Crawford at the three point line, threw up two late shot clock heaves after 20 seconds of you-are-fooling-no-one dribbling.

I would love to know what Danny offered for him, but it can't have been much, and my word that now looks like a savvy not-move in hindsight..

The guy is averaging 25.5 points / 12.6 rebounds / 5.4 assists / 1.7 steals / 1.6 blocks / .521 eFG%. His team is above .500 and would currently make the playoffs, despite a really poorly-constructed roster.  He’s got, by far, the best DRtg on his team.

But yeah, he picks up a tech on average every 3 or 4 games, the same as Dray Green.

He's also a ball stopper, who sulks, gives inconsistent effort, and take a lot of plays off defensively.

Tons of talent, but not a winning player.

On that point (but with data), on a team with little talent beyond Davis, Cousins is managing a measly -2.4 point net plus-minus this year. He makes the Pelicans worse overall, at least so far this season.

The Pelicans are 8 points worse offensively with him on the floor despite his gaudy numbers, mostly because they become a much less efficient scoring team and turn it over more. They are about 5 points better on D with Cousins out there. (But see Davis's numbers below).

Meanwhile the Pels are a +6 on offense and a +12 on defense with Davis on the floor, for an overall +17 net plus-minus. Davis makes them better in terms of efficiency, rebounding, passing, you name it. And makes their opponents significantly worse.

It's surprising to me that these differences could be so big given that these two share the floor a lot.

don't have any stats and I have only seen a few of their games but IIRC Cousins usually plays the first Q and Davis rest early to start the 2nd while Cous rests. The difference may come during times like that, Davis plays the bench opponents early in the 2nd Q while Cousins may be playing starters or the top bench guys (I don't know if it's the same rotation 2nd half but could add to it if so).

[Eddie20]

Just checking what the final haul from the trade was (Hield, Justin Jackson, Giles, Galloway, Evans), after seeing Cousins argue with refs after two no-calls, not running back on D, in two critical spots in the game. Anthony Davis was sitting on the bench at the time and must've been pulling his hair out.

He had a couple bone-head plays where he dribbled like Jamal Crawford at the three point line, threw up two late shot clock heaves after 20 seconds of you-are-fooling-no-one dribbling.

I would love to know what Danny offered for him, but it can't have been much, and my word that now looks like a savvy not-move in hindsight..

The guy is averaging 25.5 points / 12.6 rebounds / 5.4 assists / 1.7 steals / 1.6 blocks / .521 eFG%. His team is above .500 and would currently make the playoffs, despite a really poorly-constructed roster.  He’s got, by far, the best DRtg on his team.

But yeah, he picks up a tech on average every 3 or 4 games, the same as Dray Green.

He's also a ball stopper, who sulks, gives inconsistent effort, and take a lot of plays off defensively.

Tons of talent, but not a winning player.

On that point (but with data), on a team with little talent beyond Davis, Cousins is managing a measly -2.4 point net plus-minus this year. He makes the Pelicans worse overall, at least so far this season.

The Pelicans are 8 points worse offensively with him on the floor despite his gaudy numbers, mostly because they become a much less efficient scoring team and turn it over more. They are about 5 points better on D with Cousins out there. (But see Davis's numbers below).

Meanwhile the Pels are a +6 on offense and a +12 on defense with Davis on the floor, for an overall +17 net plus-minus. Davis makes them better in terms of efficiency, rebounding, passing, you name it. And makes their opponents significantly worse.

It's surprising to me that these differences could be so big given that these two share the floor a lot.

don't have any stats and I have only seen a few of their games but IIRC Cousins usually plays the first Q and Davis rest early to start the 2nd while Cous rests. The difference may come during times like that, Davis plays the bench opponents early in the 2nd Q while Cousins may be playing starters or the top bench guys (I don't know if it's the same rotation 2nd half but could add to it if so).

They swap roles in the second half. Mid-3Q Cousins stays, Davis rests, and Davis replaces Cousins to begin the 4th.

[Moranis]

Just checking what the final haul from the trade was (Hield, Justin Jackson, Giles, Galloway, Evans), after seeing Cousins argue with refs after two no-calls, not running back on D, in two critical spots in the game. Anthony Davis was sitting on the bench at the time and must've been pulling his hair out.

He had a couple bone-head plays where he dribbled like Jamal Crawford at the three point line, threw up two late shot clock heaves after 20 seconds of you-are-fooling-no-one dribbling.

I would love to know what Danny offered for him, but it can't have been much, and my word that now looks like a savvy not-move in hindsight..

The guy is averaging 25.5 points / 12.6 rebounds / 5.4 assists / 1.7 steals / 1.6 blocks / .521 eFG%. His team is above .500 and would currently make the playoffs, despite a really poorly-constructed roster.  He’s got, by far, the best DRtg on his team.

But yeah, he picks up a tech on average every 3 or 4 games, the same as Dray Green.

He's also a ball stopper, who sulks, gives inconsistent effort, and take a lot of plays off defensively.

Tons of talent, but not a winning player.

On that point (but with data), on a team with little talent beyond Davis, Cousins is managing a measly -2.4 point net plus-minus this year. He makes the Pelicans worse overall, at least so far this season.

The Pelicans are 8 points worse offensively with him on the floor despite his gaudy numbers, mostly because they become a much less efficient scoring team and turn it over more. They are about 5 points better on D with Cousins out there. (But see Davis's numbers below).

Meanwhile the Pels are a +6 on offense and a +12 on defense with Davis on the floor, for an overall +17 net plus-minus. Davis makes them better in terms of efficiency, rebounding, passing, you name it. And makes their opponents significantly worse.

It's surprising to me that these differences could be so big given that these two share the floor a lot.

don't have any stats and I have only seen a few of their games but IIRC Cousins usually plays the first Q and Davis rest early to start the 2nd while Cous rests. The difference may come during times like that, Davis plays the bench opponents early in the 2nd Q while Cousins may be playing starters or the top bench guys (I don't know if it's the same rotation 2nd half but could add to it if so).

They swap roles in the second half. Mid-3Q Cousins stays, Davis rests, and Davis replaces Cousins to begin the 4th.

that isn't swapping. That is exactly the same thing

[jdz101]

Demarcus Cousins is about the furthest player from a Celtic that I can imagine.

Selfish, lazy sook.

[greece66]

Internet seems to think that Sacramento also sent a first round pick (not sure if it was their own, or another one) to New Orleans in the Boogie deal. I can't see what happened to that pick coz it is not incoming for New Orleans here:

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

Did they trade it away? When?

One explanation I read recently is that Radavine is in love with Hield and agreed to the trade for that reason. Then Divac proceeded with the trade ASAP fearing that delay would increase the chances of Radavince changing his mind.

As for the Celtics, I take saltlover's word in the comment above.

[jdz101]

Boogie is better than roughly 97% of NBA players.

No he isn't.

If he grew up he would have the ability to be in that percentile. Considering he is still a 27 year old baby I doubt that will ever happen.

[gouki88]

Boogie is better than roughly 97% of NBA players.

No he isn't.

If he grew up he would have the ability to be in that percentile. Considering he is still a 27 year old baby I doubt that will ever happen.

He easily is. There were 491 players in the NBA on opening day. Assuming it's still a similar number, you're saying Cousins isn't a top 15 player in the league. That's a laughable suggestion.

He's been playing like a top 10 player this year, if not top 5

[CelticsElite]

Cousins never makes the playoffs even with davis. Kind of sad. That isn't a top player in my book. His defense leaves a lot to be desired

[Roy H.]

Cousins never makes the playoffs even with davis. Kind of sad. That isn't a top player in my book. His defense leaves a lot to be desired

Even with Davis? Boogie played 17 games for NOP last season. This year, they’re above .500 and are on track to make the playoffs, despite really poor coaching, management and roster construction.

It’s too bad Boogie wasn’t coached by a CBS-level coach his entire career. If he was, he’d be viewed as a top-3 player.

[spikelovetheCelts]

Cousins never makes the playoffs even with davis. Kind of sad. That isn't a top player in my book. His defense leaves a lot to be desired

Even with Davis? Boogie played 17 games for NOP last season. This year, they’re above .500 and are on track to make the playoffs, despite really poor coaching, management and roster construction.

It’s too bad Boogie wasn’t coached by a CBS-level coach his entire career. If he was, he’d be viewed as a top-3 player.

Everyone on Celtic Blog can name 10 players they want the ball in their hands at the end of the game over Boogie. Boogie is a top ten talent but not "Player". It is a big difference. He will not be on the Celtics based on what is between the ears.