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Re: Ainge On Trading 2018 Nets Pick: "Owed It To Horford And Hayward"
« Reply #45 on: September 28, 2017, 12:16:25 PM »

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But not for IT4...
he owes it to the big name free agents that agreed to sign here more than the player he rescued from the desert

IMO

Yeah I just wrote almost the same thing, but worded it a bit differently.

Re: Ainge On Trading 2018 Nets Pick: "Owed It To Horford And Hayward"
« Reply #46 on: September 28, 2017, 12:24:24 PM »

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If the Lakers pick is higher than the Nets pick I will tatto Danny Ainge on my arm.

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Re: Ainge On Trading 2018 Nets Pick: "Owed It To Horford And Hayward"
« Reply #47 on: September 28, 2017, 12:30:19 PM »

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He's a great GM, and always has been a complete tool.

What purpose does this comment serve?  Seems very insulting to IT.  Maybe he was a locker room problem that a rabid fanbase wasn't aware of.  Or, perhaps Danny is feeling insecure about mixed reactions to the trade. 

Presumably, it was Ainge's decision to make -- we can't know.  But he made this comment, and undoubtedly, many would argue that IT was very influential in landing 2 top FAs.  Then he replaced IT with a younger and very talented (but limited) cupcake that's also insecure about his IQ and loves to hear himself talk.  Are we in Boston, or LA?

Makes you really think Ainge never envisioned Isaiah (even if he was healthy) into our long term plans. That's how I looked at it.
nor should he.  any team with IT as their #1 or #2 player won't be winning a title.  too easy for the opposition to gameplan for and render ineffective by running their offense directly at him.

Re: Ainge On Trading 2018 Nets Pick: "Owed It To Horford And Hayward"
« Reply #48 on: September 28, 2017, 12:47:40 PM »

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I think I read on CB just in the last couple days that the Celtics talent evaluators, as a whole, believe that the BKN pick will end up somewhere in the 5-9 range, which is one of the main reasons Danny was okay with trading the pick. If it indeed ends up in that range, the odds of landing a cornerstone go way down. So, I think Danny's final thinking regarding the IT-Kyrie trade can be summarized in the following equation:

Lower BKN pick + IT's hip + IT's age + IT's Brinks talk = better get Kyrie while the getting's good

Which is fine, but what purpose does this comment serve?

Seriously? If you're taking Ainge at face value then you don't know him at all.

Some of us know him better than others?  He's a great GM and a tool.  Is that a reach?

Lots of moves took place since those guys got here. Danny is letting those guys know you're my core I never said anyone else was. You're my guys don't look over your shoulder and focus on playing championship ball.

This was VERY clear when you listen to Big Al during media day. He slipped up a few times with wording indicating he knew.
ok fine

Re: Ainge On Trading 2018 Nets Pick: "Owed It To Horford And Hayward"
« Reply #49 on: September 28, 2017, 01:20:56 PM »

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But not for IT4...
he owes it to the big name free agents that agreed to sign here more than the player he rescued from the desert

IMO

Yeah I just wrote almost the same thing, but worded it a bit differently.
TP

we wrote it at the exact same time, ha


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Re: Ainge On Trading 2018 Nets Pick: "Owed It To Horford And Hayward"
« Reply #50 on: September 28, 2017, 01:21:45 PM »

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If the Lakers pick is higher than the Nets pick I will tatto Danny Ainge on my arm.

Bookmarked :)
i hope he means tattoo a picture of ainge and not just his name!
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Re: Ainge On Trading 2018 Nets Pick: "Owed It To Horford And Hayward"
« Reply #51 on: September 28, 2017, 01:45:01 PM »

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IT + Crowder + Zizic + BRK pick would have been better for Hayward and Horford. Heck, trading Tatum or Brown would probably be better for Horford and Hayward.

Danny is just talking out of both sides of his mouth. First it was that Kyrie fit our timeline better, with Tatum, Brown, etc. Now it's because Danny "owed it" to Horford and Hayward (two players IT recruited).
Injured IT, young Zizic, and a BRK pick that won't be ready to contribute until 2020-21 would not have been better for Hayward and Horford. And Crowder plays Hayward's position.

Kyrie is bother younger than IT (better fits the timeline of the young guys) and in his prime (still fits the timeline of Hayward and Horford) and the most talented player moved in the deal (debate this if you like but Ainge clearly believes this and I think this is basically consensus). Ainge isn't "talking out of both sides of his mouth," it's that both things are true.

They're not both true.

Hayward signed to play with IT. Horford signed to play with IT. Suggesting that he traded IT + a good starter + a coveted trade asset that could have been used to bring in a fourth star out of a sense of obligation to Horford and Hayward is laughable.
Horford and Heyward both would have came here faster if Kyrie was already here. IT is a great recruiter but Kyrie is more reason to come to Boston. We will see in Feb when buyouts pick.
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Re: Ainge On Trading 2018 Nets Pick: "Owed It To Horford And Hayward"
« Reply #52 on: September 28, 2017, 01:54:19 PM »

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It was a fantastic trade.  We got the best player in the deal, and that player is younger on a better contract.

Ask every GM which player he would rather have on his team, IT or Kyrie, and 30 out of 30 say Kyrie.

Yeah it sucks giving up the pick, but gotta give to get.

The fact some people are so salty, and so stubborn about the trade (just as many where when he traded Paul and KG), just confirms Danny is one of the best in the business.

IT is a great person, and I certainly wish him well, but he is no Kyrie, at all.


Re: Ainge On Trading 2018 Nets Pick: "Owed It To Horford And Hayward"
« Reply #53 on: September 28, 2017, 02:06:47 PM »

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But not for IT4...
he owes it to the big name free agents that agreed to sign here more than the player he rescued from the desert

IMO

Yeah I just wrote almost the same thing, but worded it a bit differently.

Well whatever is "just"...

IT4 was pushing for Danny to do something at the trade deadline last season. Instead he should have figured out ....that he was only part of a bridge team

I dont think nothing else will surprise him moving fwd. Even if he is traded again at the trade deadline

Re: Ainge On Trading 2018 Nets Pick: "Owed It To Horford And Hayward"
« Reply #54 on: September 28, 2017, 02:15:49 PM »

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Regardless of feelings on the trade, does anybody really believe that Danny thinks he "owes" players anything?

He traded Antoine. He traded Pierce and KG. He almost traded Ray. He traded Perk and Rondo. And Avery. And IT.

When Danny makes trades, he doesn't do it out of a sense of obligation to any individual player. His loyalty is to ownership and the franchise.

It's just an odd, obviously untrue thing to say.


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Re: Ainge On Trading 2018 Nets Pick: "Owed It To Horford And Hayward"
« Reply #55 on: September 28, 2017, 02:38:27 PM »

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If the Lakers pick is higher than the Nets pick I will tatto Danny Ainge on my arm.
crikey ....i would not put that image  on my dog's dairy aire

Re: Ainge On Trading 2018 Nets Pick: "Owed It To Horford And Hayward"
« Reply #56 on: September 28, 2017, 02:55:23 PM »

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Regardless of feelings on the trade, does anybody really believe that Danny thinks he "owes" players anything?

He traded Antoine. He traded Pierce and KG. He almost traded Ray. He traded Perk and Rondo. And Avery. And IT.

When Danny makes trades, he doesn't do it out of a sense of obligation to any individual player. His loyalty is to ownership and the franchise.

It's just an odd, obviously untrue thing to say.

I don't know.  It's the thing that made me wonder the most.  And here's how I see it:

Horford and Hayward both left competitive teams where they'd been their entire careers to come to the Celtics.  Presumably Ainge promised them the team would compete for championships, and not merely playoff appearances.

With the others, it's (mostly) different.  He neither drafted nor extended Walker.  No promise there.  He did draft and give second contracts to Perk, Rondo, and Bradley, but at the same time, none were unrestricted free agents, and all three made it to the final season of their second deal and were moved either before or during that last season.  I'd be surprised if those three were promised anything more than money and a chance to prove themselves, which all three received.

IT was on the same contract when he was acquired by trade as he was when traded away.  Certainly no promises were made when he joined the team, other than a chance to prove himself, which he obviously did.

I don't know what promises were made to Pierce, KG, and Ray.  He promised Pierce they would try to compete when he brought on KG and Ray, which is why Pierce didn't demand a trade himself and why KG ultimately waived his no-trade clause.  They won a championship, so that promise was delivered.  Does it still hold true 5 years later when Ainge tried to trade Ray? A year later when Pierce and KG were traded?  I don't know.  Obviously Ray was upset when he was almost traded -- but did he feel specifically betrayed by a promise Ainge had made him, or generally betrayed like most players certainly feel after a trade?  Beats me.

KG waived a no-trade clause to leave, meaning he ultimately was okay enough with it.  Both he and Pierce could have remained with a Celtics team going nowhere and getting a new coach, but that wasn't what they signed up for anyway.  I don't know how much of a promise was broken.

Anyway, I don't like the trade (still).  But I do see Horford and Hayward being different from all the rest, in terms of promises that might have been made.

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« Reply #57 on: September 28, 2017, 03:02:45 PM »

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Basically what Ainge is saying is that he owed it to the guys who CHOSE to come to Boston (Horford/Hayward).  And wasn't willing to trade it for the guy Ainge TRADED FOR to come to Boston (Thomas).

Free Agents gave up something (more $$$ with Atlanta and Utah) to come to Boston.  Thomas did not give up anything to come to Boston as he was traded for.

Yeah, that sounds brunt.  But those are the basic truths here.


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« Reply #58 on: September 28, 2017, 03:41:19 PM »

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Regardless of feelings on the trade, does anybody really believe that Danny thinks he "owes" players anything?

He traded Antoine. He traded Pierce and KG. He almost traded Ray. He traded Perk and Rondo. And Avery. And IT.

When Danny makes trades, he doesn't do it out of a sense of obligation to any individual player. His loyalty is to ownership and the franchise.

It's just an odd, obviously untrue thing to say.

He traded antoine as soon as he joined, he didnt owe him anything. Didnt recruit him, didnt bond with him, nothing. He traded KG and Pierce to a contender, with legit stars and at that time, good situation. He traded Perk and Rondo to contenders, same with IT. Sure he does trades for the organization, but he made sure these players will be in good situations, in fact from PP to IT, all of them appreciated that fact (despite being traded).

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« Reply #59 on: September 28, 2017, 03:49:28 PM »

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Regardless of feelings on the trade, does anybody really believe that Danny thinks he "owes" players anything?

He traded Antoine. He traded Pierce and KG. He almost traded Ray. He traded Perk and Rondo. And Avery. And IT.

When Danny makes trades, he doesn't do it out of a sense of obligation to any individual player. His loyalty is to ownership and the franchise.

It's just an odd, obviously untrue thing to say.

He traded antoine as soon as he joined, he didnt owe him anything. Didnt recruit him, didnt bond with him, nothing. He traded KG and Pierce to a contender, with legit stars and at that time, good situation. He traded Perk and Rondo to contenders, same with IT. Sure he does trades for the organization, but he made sure these players will be in good situations, in fact from PP to IT, all of them appreciated that fact (despite being traded).

He almost sent Ray to Memphis, AB to Detroit. Neither were happy. Danny doesn't really care. He's going to make the best deal he can.


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