Ainge On Trading 2018 Nets Pick: "Owed It To Horford And Hayward"

[Phantom255x]

Regardless of feelings on the trade, does anybody really believe that Danny thinks he "owes" players anything?

He traded Antoine. He traded Pierce and KG. He almost traded Ray. He traded Perk and Rondo. And Avery. And IT.

When Danny makes trades, he doesn't do it out of a sense of obligation to any individual player. His loyalty is to ownership and the franchise.

It's just an odd, obviously untrue thing to say.

I just hope (in my dream world) he can find a way to get Anthony Davis without needing to include Horford in the deal (which will be tough to match salaries then, but is still possible).

But as you say, Danny probably doesn't care. 

[SHAQATTACK]

Regardless of feelings on the trade, does anybody really believe that Danny thinks he "owes" players anything?

He traded Antoine. He traded Pierce and KG. He almost traded Ray. He traded Perk and Rondo. And Avery. And IT.

When Danny makes trades, he doesn't do it out of a sense of obligation to any individual player. His loyalty is to ownership and the franchise.

It's just an odd, obviously untrue thing to say.

I just hope (in my dream world) he can find a way to get Anthony Davis without needing to include Horford in the deal (which will be tough to match salaries then, but is still possible).

But as you say, Danny probably doesn't care. 

your right .   This gives Horford a chance for a ring as a major contributor.....not as a ring chaser down the road.  Its a long shot , but most likely better than being paired with a a crippled IT for a couple years .  Maybe Al bonds with some of these guys over the next couple years and will stay , on a deal ,  to be part of a Davis lead team.   If Danny has an opening ,  maybe Hayward or Irving one is safe ....he ll trade for Davis ....i just feel it in my bones .....same way i had a gut feeling he was taking tatum .

If Tatum pans out into PP 2.0 ....  I see Brown and Hayward being the bait for Davis .

[Phantom255x]

Regardless of feelings on the trade, does anybody really believe that Danny thinks he "owes" players anything?

He traded Antoine. He traded Pierce and KG. He almost traded Ray. He traded Perk and Rondo. And Avery. And IT.

When Danny makes trades, he doesn't do it out of a sense of obligation to any individual player. His loyalty is to ownership and the franchise.

It's just an odd, obviously untrue thing to say.

I just hope (in my dream world) he can find a way to get Anthony Davis without needing to include Horford in the deal (which will be tough to match salaries then, but is still possible).

But as you say, Danny probably doesn't care. 

your right .   This gives Horford a chance for a ring as a major contributor.....not as a ring chaser down the road.  Its a long shot , but most likely better than being paired with a a crippled IT for a couple years .  Maybe Al bonds with some of these guys over the next couple years and will stay , on a deal ,  to be part of a Davis lead team.   If Danny has an opening ,  maybe Hayward or Irving one is safe ....he ll trade for Davis ....i just feel it in my bones .....same way i had a gut feeling he was taking tatum .

If Tatum pans out into PP 2.0 ....  I see Brown and Hayward being the bait for Davis .

There's NO WAY Ainge is dealing any of Hayward or Irving for Davis after all this.

And sorry but getting Davis while giving up one of Hayward/Irving + Brown/Tatum still doesn't put us past Golden State even though AD is better. Need all the firepower you can get.

[Tr1boy]

Regardless of feelings on the trade, does anybody really believe that Danny thinks he "owes" players anything?

He traded Antoine. He traded Pierce and KG. He almost traded Ray. He traded Perk and Rondo. And Avery. And IT.

When Danny makes trades, he doesn't do it out of a sense of obligation to any individual player. His loyalty is to ownership and the franchise.

It's just an odd, obviously untrue thing to say.

He traded antoine as soon as he joined, he didnt owe him anything. Didnt recruit him, didnt bond with him, nothing. He traded KG and Pierce to a contender, with legit stars and at that time, good situation. He traded Perk and Rondo to contenders, same with IT. Sure he does trades for the organization, but he made sure these players will be in good situations, in fact from PP to IT, all of them appreciated that fact (despite being traded).

He almost sent Ray to Memphis, AB to Detroit. Neither were happy. Danny doesn't really care. He's going to make the best deal he can.

Danny Ainge.. the Lebron of gms

One more championship would be great for his legacy as a gm

[Big333223]

Regardless of feelings on the trade, does anybody really believe that Danny thinks he "owes" players anything?

He traded Antoine. He traded Pierce and KG. He almost traded Ray. He traded Perk and Rondo. And Avery. And IT.

When Danny makes trades, he doesn't do it out of a sense of obligation to any individual player. His loyalty is to ownership and the franchise.

It's just an odd, obviously untrue thing to say.

He traded antoine as soon as he joined, he didnt owe him anything. Didnt recruit him, didnt bond with him, nothing. He traded KG and Pierce to a contender, with legit stars and at that time, good situation. He traded Perk and Rondo to contenders, same with IT. Sure he does trades for the organization, but he made sure these players will be in good situations, in fact from PP to IT, all of them appreciated that fact (despite being traded).

He almost sent Ray to Memphis, AB to Detroit. Neither were happy. Danny doesn't really care. He's going to make the best deal he can.

Danny Ainge.. the Lebron of gms

One more championship would be great for his legacy as a gm

Three more would be even better. 

[Celtics4ever]

Danny Ainge.. the Lebron of gms

WRONG!   Ainge has a better record in the finals than Lebron.

[Eddie20]

IT + Crowder + Zizic + BRK pick would have been better for Hayward and Horford. Heck, trading Tatum or Brown would probably be better for Horford and Hayward.

Danny is just talking out of both sides of his mouth. First it was that Kyrie fit our timeline better, with Tatum, Brown, etc. Now it's because Danny "owed it" to Horford and Hayward (two players IT recruited).

Injured IT, young Zizic, and a BRK pick that won't be ready to contribute until 2020-21 would not have been better for Hayward and Horford. And Crowder plays Hayward's position.

Kyrie is bother younger than IT (better fits the timeline of the young guys) and in his prime (still fits the timeline of Hayward and Horford) and the most talented player moved in the deal (debate this if you like but Ainge clearly believes this and I think this is basically consensus). Ainge isn't "talking out of both sides of his mouth," it's that both things are true.

They're not both true.

Hayward signed to play with IT. Horford signed to play with IT. Suggesting that he traded IT + a good starter + a coveted trade asset that could have been used to bring in a fourth star out of a sense of obligation to Horford and Hayward is laughable.

Hayward signed to play with a healthy IT. Horford signed to play with a healthy IT. The obligation to both is a strong indication that Ainge isn't confident in Thomas' health this season.

[Donoghus]

Danny Ainge.. the Lebron of gms

WRONG!   Ainge has a better record in the finals than Lebron.

Barely if you're technical about it. 

[tarheelsxxiii]

IT + Crowder + Zizic + BRK pick would have been better for Hayward and Horford. Heck, trading Tatum or Brown would probably be better for Horford and Hayward.

Danny is just talking out of both sides of his mouth. First it was that Kyrie fit our timeline better, with Tatum, Brown, etc. Now it's because Danny "owed it" to Horford and Hayward (two players IT recruited).

Injured IT, young Zizic, and a BRK pick that won't be ready to contribute until 2020-21 would not have been better for Hayward and Horford. And Crowder plays Hayward's position.

Kyrie is bother younger than IT (better fits the timeline of the young guys) and in his prime (still fits the timeline of Hayward and Horford) and the most talented player moved in the deal (debate this if you like but Ainge clearly believes this and I think this is basically consensus). Ainge isn't "talking out of both sides of his mouth," it's that both things are true.

They're not both true.

Hayward signed to play with IT. Horford signed to play with IT. Suggesting that he traded IT + a good starter + a coveted trade asset that could have been used to bring in a fourth star out of a sense of obligation to Horford and Hayward is laughable.

Hayward signed to play with a healthy IT. Horford signed to play with a healthy IT. The obligation to both is a strong indication that Ainge isn't confident in Thomas' health this season.

Probably true.  And that he's a tool for making the comment. 

[Phantom255x]

IT + Crowder + Zizic + BRK pick would have been better for Hayward and Horford. Heck, trading Tatum or Brown would probably be better for Horford and Hayward.

Danny is just talking out of both sides of his mouth. First it was that Kyrie fit our timeline better, with Tatum, Brown, etc. Now it's because Danny "owed it" to Horford and Hayward (two players IT recruited).

Injured IT, young Zizic, and a BRK pick that won't be ready to contribute until 2020-21 would not have been better for Hayward and Horford. And Crowder plays Hayward's position.

Kyrie is bother younger than IT (better fits the timeline of the young guys) and in his prime (still fits the timeline of Hayward and Horford) and the most talented player moved in the deal (debate this if you like but Ainge clearly believes this and I think this is basically consensus). Ainge isn't "talking out of both sides of his mouth," it's that both things are true.

They're not both true.

Hayward signed to play with IT. Horford signed to play with IT. Suggesting that he traded IT + a good starter + a coveted trade asset that could have been used to bring in a fourth star out of a sense of obligation to Horford and Hayward is laughable.

Hayward signed to play with a healthy IT. Horford signed to play with a healthy IT. The obligation to both is a strong indication that Ainge isn't confident in Thomas' health this season.

Probably true.  And that he's a tool for making the comment.

lol @tarheelsxxiii is going to go to war with all the Isaiah doubters/haters on here 

[Roy H.]

IT + Crowder + Zizic + BRK pick would have been better for Hayward and Horford. Heck, trading Tatum or Brown would probably be better for Horford and Hayward.

Danny is just talking out of both sides of his mouth. First it was that Kyrie fit our timeline better, with Tatum, Brown, etc. Now it's because Danny "owed it" to Horford and Hayward (two players IT recruited).

Injured IT, young Zizic, and a BRK pick that won't be ready to contribute until 2020-21 would not have been better for Hayward and Horford. And Crowder plays Hayward's position.

Kyrie is bother younger than IT (better fits the timeline of the young guys) and in his prime (still fits the timeline of Hayward and Horford) and the most talented player moved in the deal (debate this if you like but Ainge clearly believes this and I think this is basically consensus). Ainge isn't "talking out of both sides of his mouth," it's that both things are true.

They're not both true.

Hayward signed to play with IT. Horford signed to play with IT. Suggesting that he traded IT + a good starter + a coveted trade asset that could have been used to bring in a fourth star out of a sense of obligation to Horford and Hayward is laughable.

Hayward signed to play with a healthy IT. Horford signed to play with a healthy IT. The obligation to both is a strong indication that Ainge isn't confident in Thomas' health this season.

Hayward signed after IT's injury.

[Eddie20]

IT + Crowder + Zizic + BRK pick would have been better for Hayward and Horford. Heck, trading Tatum or Brown would probably be better for Horford and Hayward.

Danny is just talking out of both sides of his mouth. First it was that Kyrie fit our timeline better, with Tatum, Brown, etc. Now it's because Danny "owed it" to Horford and Hayward (two players IT recruited).

Injured IT, young Zizic, and a BRK pick that won't be ready to contribute until 2020-21 would not have been better for Hayward and Horford. And Crowder plays Hayward's position.

Kyrie is bother younger than IT (better fits the timeline of the young guys) and in his prime (still fits the timeline of Hayward and Horford) and the most talented player moved in the deal (debate this if you like but Ainge clearly believes this and I think this is basically consensus). Ainge isn't "talking out of both sides of his mouth," it's that both things are true.

They're not both true.

Hayward signed to play with IT. Horford signed to play with IT. Suggesting that he traded IT + a good starter + a coveted trade asset that could have been used to bring in a fourth star out of a sense of obligation to Horford and Hayward is laughable.

Hayward signed to play with a healthy IT. Horford signed to play with a healthy IT. The obligation to both is a strong indication that Ainge isn't confident in Thomas' health this season.

Hayward signed after IT's injury.

I understand, but don't you think Ainge had an idea of the severity of Thomas' injury during the time of the signing? If I'm Ainge, I wouldn't disclose any information on Thomas' bum hip to Hayward and risk him not coming due to the uncertainty surrounding the injury.

[Phantom255x]

IT + Crowder + Zizic + BRK pick would have been better for Hayward and Horford. Heck, trading Tatum or Brown would probably be better for Horford and Hayward.

Danny is just talking out of both sides of his mouth. First it was that Kyrie fit our timeline better, with Tatum, Brown, etc. Now it's because Danny "owed it" to Horford and Hayward (two players IT recruited).

Injured IT, young Zizic, and a BRK pick that won't be ready to contribute until 2020-21 would not have been better for Hayward and Horford. And Crowder plays Hayward's position.

Kyrie is bother younger than IT (better fits the timeline of the young guys) and in his prime (still fits the timeline of Hayward and Horford) and the most talented player moved in the deal (debate this if you like but Ainge clearly believes this and I think this is basically consensus). Ainge isn't "talking out of both sides of his mouth," it's that both things are true.

They're not both true.

Hayward signed to play with IT. Horford signed to play with IT. Suggesting that he traded IT + a good starter + a coveted trade asset that could have been used to bring in a fourth star out of a sense of obligation to Horford and Hayward is laughable.

Hayward signed to play with a healthy IT. Horford signed to play with a healthy IT. The obligation to both is a strong indication that Ainge isn't confident in Thomas' health this season.

Hayward signed after IT's injury.

I understand, but don't you think Ainge had an idea of the severity of Thomas' injury during the time of the signing? If I'm Ainge, I wouldn't disclose any information on Thomas' bum hip to Hayward and risk him not coming due to the uncertainty surrounding the injury.

I mean, Hayward had to have known Isaiah would at least miss some time.

If Kyrie wasn't available and they held on to Isaiah and it turns out he missed a bunch of months... relationship would NOT be good between Hayward and Ainge I assume.

[Roy H.]

IT + Crowder + Zizic + BRK pick would have been better for Hayward and Horford. Heck, trading Tatum or Brown would probably be better for Horford and Hayward.

Danny is just talking out of both sides of his mouth. First it was that Kyrie fit our timeline better, with Tatum, Brown, etc. Now it's because Danny "owed it" to Horford and Hayward (two players IT recruited).

Injured IT, young Zizic, and a BRK pick that won't be ready to contribute until 2020-21 would not have been better for Hayward and Horford. And Crowder plays Hayward's position.

Kyrie is bother younger than IT (better fits the timeline of the young guys) and in his prime (still fits the timeline of Hayward and Horford) and the most talented player moved in the deal (debate this if you like but Ainge clearly believes this and I think this is basically consensus). Ainge isn't "talking out of both sides of his mouth," it's that both things are true.

They're not both true.

Hayward signed to play with IT. Horford signed to play with IT. Suggesting that he traded IT + a good starter + a coveted trade asset that could have been used to bring in a fourth star out of a sense of obligation to Horford and Hayward is laughable.

Hayward signed to play with a healthy IT. Horford signed to play with a healthy IT. The obligation to both is a strong indication that Ainge isn't confident in Thomas' health this season.

Hayward signed after IT's injury.

I understand, but don't you think Ainge had an idea of the severity of Thomas' injury during the time of the signing? If I'm Ainge, I wouldn't disclose any information on Thomas' bum hip to Hayward and risk him not coming due to the uncertainty surrounding the injury.

I mean, Hayward had to have known Isaiah would at least miss some time.

If Kyrie wasn't available and they held on to Isaiah and it turns out he missed a bunch of months... relationship would NOT be good between Hayward and Ainge I assume.

Yeah, it would seem odd to actively mislead a max free agent.

[KGs Knee]

Horford and Hayward did not sign here specifically to play with any individual player, that's pure nonsense. If anything, they signed here to play with Brad Stevens.  But mostly, they signed here to play for the CELTICS.

But Ainge is also lying by saying he feels like he owed either player anything. That isn't how he has ever operated. Does he really think anyone believes him?