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Re: can semi replace crowder? I think so
« Reply #30 on: September 27, 2017, 04:33:32 PM »

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Semi was a top recruit out of high school
recruited and attended duke got trapped behind some very good players
Was red shirted at SMU by Larry Brown
Blossomed under his last season under Larry Brown at SMU
Trained at hoop house with tatum under watchful eye of Drew Hanlon
Best athlete at combine-the kid is dedicated and can really shoot
Lane agility and lateral speed,sprint
 40 inch vertical jump
taller than jay,as strong as jay
wide body, great defensive stance,lower body power
Brad will find a way--many think he is the steal of the draft-larry brown can't understand his draft position -thought it was an age thing.
Got recruited by two Hall of Fame coaches and played for both

Who exactly would "they" be? Knowing would be helpful as I evaluate a pundit's credibility.

Or lack thereof.

Bo, not sure why but Rollie has a knack for overrating fringe players. Same person that said "the stars aligned" when we signed Gerald Green last summer. Bottom line, if you suck and you're wearing green the chances of you being overrated is sky high (see Jerebko, Green, Nader, Semi, etc.)

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« Reply #31 on: September 27, 2017, 04:39:21 PM »

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Semi will not meet that production this year but he probably can get there faster then Jae did.  Outside of stats Jae brings something to a team that can't be taught that Semi may never bring.  It's a rarity that a player can instill an identity on a team like Jae did.  Semi can definitely put up stats down the road like Jae did but Leadership is innate, not taught.

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« Reply #32 on: September 27, 2017, 05:18:44 PM »

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It's a rarity that a player can instill an identity on a team like Jae did.

What are you smoking?   I about fell out my chair laughing.   Do you mean, gripping about wings being signed or surly because fans cheered someone else?

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Semi can definitely put up stats down the road like Jae did but Leadership is innate, not taught.

I think you need to get out more.   Crowder was ok, brought toughness a lot of nights, but he was not an exceptional leader by any means.   If he was Ainge would not have traded him.   Do mistake a good glue guy for anything else.

I think Semi will have his growing pains.   He certainly has all the physical tools.   One thing he does not have is Crowder's self belief.   Jae would play over his head and over achieve time and time again.   I did not see that during summer league.   I saw a guy whose confidence improved when he played well and ebbed when he did not.   In that sense, he is like KO in his mindset.

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« Reply #33 on: September 27, 2017, 05:21:37 PM »

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Semi was a top recruit out of high school
recruited and attended duke got trapped behind some very good players
Was red shirted at SMU by Larry Brown
Blossomed under his last season under Larry Brown at SMU
Trained at hoop house with tatum under watchful eye of Drew Hanlon
Best athlete at combine-the kid is dedicated and can really shoot
Lane agility and lateral speed,sprint
 40 inch vertical jump
taller than jay,as strong as jay
wide body, great defensive stance,lower body power
Brad will find a way--many think he is the steal of the draft-larry brown can't understand his draft position -thought it was an age thing.
Got recruited by two Hall of Fame coaches and played for both

Who exactly would "they" be? Knowing would be helpful as I evaluate a pundit's credibility.

Or lack thereof.

Bo, not sure why but Rollie has a knack for overrating fringe players. Same person that said "the stars aligned" when we signed Gerald Green last summer. Bottom line, if you suck and you're wearing green the chances of you being overrated is sky high (see Jerebko, Green, Nader, Semi, etc.)

So I've noticed.

I think that was a solar eclipse with the chronically basketball brain-dead Green, not the stars aligning.

Just curious if anyone reputable in the hoops world was handing out the same level of hyperbole.
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Semi Can Replace Crowder
« Reply #34 on: September 27, 2017, 05:43:55 PM »

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I saw several clips of monster dunks and putbacks
The intensity of his reaction the aggression and defiance if he channels that
he will be a menace with his lateral speed, agility and what looks like unmovable mass
.I believe he could eclipse crowder -

I do, too - even though I also think that Crowder has been shockingly underrated among Celtics fans. Semi's big advantage is his capacity to guard bigger players, though it looks like he may also have better skills at putting it down and driving.

In his rookie year? That's harder to answer. Ojeleye is unusually ready to play NBA defense coming into the league; that's a rare thing, but the substantial body of work in summer league is hard to deny. True, the team schemes in SL are rudimentary, and the offenses in the Big Show are not anything a rookie has had to deal with before. In climbing that hill, he's got iq and great physical skills.

But the steepest climb for Semi is the competition with his teammates for court time.
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« Reply #35 on: September 27, 2017, 05:54:48 PM »

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Coach BOO-what did Brad say about green "that he feared him"-seems green did his job in playoffs
Nader was being judged by james young and rj hunter standards-he was rookie of year in d league
and is part of the celts roster-where is young and rj
I believe semi will be a defensive beast and knockdown threes -semi was projected to be a first rounder.
Semi is a unique NBA athlete
Green saved the Celts against Chicago
Nader rookie of year and now under contract unlike james young picked at 15

Semi Can Replace Crowder
« Reply #36 on: September 27, 2017, 06:21:31 PM »

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... the chances of you being overrated is sky high (see Jerebko, Green, Nader, Semi, etc.)

Of those four, the first two are NBA journeymen; they have some limitations (Jerebko, for example, is a classic tweener who lacks quickness to guard down and size to guard up, even as he's a smart, alert, physical defender) - but it looks like both Jonas and Gerald will have had long careers, with extended stints as rotation players. (They also both played key roles in Celtics playoff games.) Bless 'em both, and Godspeed. Jerebko has a future as a coach, if he wants it.

Nader is an intriguing player with skills in the sweet spot for today's NBA - viz., he can create off the dribble, make a play, get to the rim, and shoot with range. He's super quick with the ball in his hands; that's maybe his single best asset. Bottom line, I think that he's an NBA player.

Like RJ Hunter, he's a wing you can run offense through, with a better body than Hunter, but lesser fine motor skills. I think that more than anything he needs lower body work, though. I'm going to get out on the skinny branches and wonder if he's headed for hamstring injuries.

 His upside is rotation player on a playoff team, though his future is probably not on the Celtics.

Semi has star potential. Don't look at the draft position. Look at the game.
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Re: can semi replace crowder? I think so
« Reply #37 on: September 27, 2017, 06:44:37 PM »

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Semi was a top recruit out of high school
recruited and attended duke got trapped behind some very good players
Was red shirted at SMU by Larry Brown
Blossomed under his last season under Larry Brown at SMU
Trained at hoop house with tatum under watchful eye of Drew Hanlon
Best athlete at combine-the kid is dedicated and can really shoot
Lane agility and lateral speed,sprint
 40 inch vertical jump
taller than jay,as strong as jay
wide body, great defensive stance,lower body power
Brad will find a way--many think he is the steal of the draft-larry brown can't understand his draft position -thought it was an age thing.
Got recruited by two Hall of Fame coaches and played for both

Who exactly would "they" be? Knowing would be helpful as I evaluate a pundit's credibility.

Or lack thereof.

Bo, not sure why but Rollie has a knack for overrating fringe players. Same person that said "the stars aligned" when we signed Gerald Green last summer. Bottom line, if you suck and you're wearing green the chances of you being overrated is sky high (see Jerebko, Green, Nader, Semi, etc.)

So I've noticed.

I think that was a solar eclipse with the chronically basketball brain-dead Green, not the stars aligning.

Just curious if anyone reputable in the hoops world was handing out the same level of hyperbole.

I think due to Rollie's writing style and the fact that he tries to get in depth w prospects and young players many posters put words in his mouth. He is not claiming that these players will be great, that they will be all stars or even starters. He simply sees their skill set as useful and potentially good for the team.

Rollie gets excited and points out positive things about a player. I appreciate it and would much rather read that than the negative Nancy comments that poop on the player bc they are not expected to be exceptional. Role players are important, let's hear about their skill sets and how they may be aid winning.

For the record, I'd say he was spot on w Gerald Green. Rollie claimed he was a "stiletto" perfect for certain instances as a scoring punch and change of pace. He did exactly that and in fact "the stars aligned" and he won us a playoff series. Granted Rondo injury helped that cause.... but let's call it, green won it for the celtics and Rondo lost it for the bulls.

Re: can semi replace crowder? I think so
« Reply #38 on: September 27, 2017, 07:06:30 PM »

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I will just never understand the love for 2nd rounders and undrafted rookies this board has because the poster saw some college highlights, high school highlights or a good showing in Summer League. Most times these players turn into absolutely nothing.

Jae Crowder since he got here was a 30 MPG, 14 PPG, 5 RPG, 2 APG, 1.5 SPG player that was highly efficient at scoring while playing plus or better defense and helped to define the team's character. Ojeleye won't replace that for many years if ever.

Jae Crowder was also a second round player that little was expected of. He got a chance to play on a team with marginal talent and a coach that was good at getting the best out of players. He grew and became what you mentioned.

Why is the same trajectory not possible for a player w similar skills? A player that appears, with out having done research, to be more highly touted coming in and out of the draft. I'd say the only difference of Semi reaching Jae status is that he will be fighting for time on a much more talented team. He simply won't get the chance to grow as fast and put up the stats.

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« Reply #39 on: September 27, 2017, 07:37:13 PM »

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Look, Semi is a 2nd round pick so the odds are against him. But there are certainly mitigating factors here that make him enticing. He busted out of Duke but played like a stud at SMU. 19/7, .572 eFG, 42% from 3, almost 80% from the FT line. Those stats aren't one-season wonders either. This is a guy who shot 38% from 3 Land back in high school.

His comeback smacks of a guy who understood how much he missed the game and dedicated himself to getting back to it. This is a guy who dedicated himself to making 300 shots at game speed every single day while he was waiting to play. It wasn't just the scoring though. For instance, after his first game he had 43 turnovers in 34 games. That's pretty amazing for a guy with a 25% usage.

Then he went to the combine and showed off some amazing physical attributes. You simply can't teach the kind of lateral quickness and jumping ability he demonstrated.

I think he's put it together. Brad should be an ideal coach for him and this system should fit his talents. He's already impressed on defense in Summer League. If he can play D and shoot 40% from 3, he has a long career in the NBA regardless of anything else he can do (and he's a darn good offensive rebounder).

Will he replace Crowder this year? Heck no. That's Morris' job anyway. But he could be one of those true 2nd round gems and play at Crowder's level or even be better. 
Jaylen Brown will be an All Star in the next 5 years.

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« Reply #40 on: September 27, 2017, 07:44:21 PM »

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Yeah, as others have said, it could happen eventually and maybe we get super lucky and it happens this year, but guys like Luke Harangody, RJ Hunter, and Jordan Mickey were supposed to be guys who were either gritty or cerebral beyond their years, and not much amounted to them.

Let's not start breaking out proclamations yet.

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« Reply #41 on: September 27, 2017, 08:15:36 PM »

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I think the Celtics fans still butt hurt over crowder getting booted will forget who crowder is a week after the season starts.

...or maybe not.

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« Reply #42 on: September 27, 2017, 09:17:38 PM »

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He'll likely average 20 points 8 rebounds and 2 steals a game for the Red Claws. 

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« Reply #43 on: September 27, 2017, 10:14:56 PM »

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Yes

They are like twins.  Crowder is a better/versatile defender at the moment but Semi already a better shooter at the same age. Plus can climb another level vertically

Ahh, watching poor Jae trying to get up was painful
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I will just never understand the love for 2nd rounders and undrafted rookies this board has because the poster saw some college highlights, high school highlights or a good showing in Summer League. Most times these players turn into absolutely nothing.

Jae Crowder since he got here was a 30 MPG, 14 PPG, 5 RPG, 2 APG, 1.5 SPG player that was highly efficient at scoring while playing plus or better defense and helped to define the team's character. Ojeleye won't replace that for many years if ever.

And I will just never understand why people automatically dismiss players because of their draft position - or not as the case may be - but life is full of little disappointments :laugh:.

Anyway, when it comes to the NBA draft, past is not precedent, imo.  Each class, just like the players, themselves, is completely different, and the last two have been uncommonly deep even into the undrafted market, with guys purposely asking teams not to select them so that they can have their lay of the land, so to speak, which is quite different from the norm.  A lot of them understandably don't want to be a "draft and stash", whereas before if a guy wasn't selected it was usually because teams either did not feel that they had what it took to make it in the league or because the club(s) had some kind of roster crunch, so you never know, and I see absolutely nothing wrong with exploring the option, which is also much cheaper than a standard rookie contract.  What's the harm?  The second round this year was loaded, imo, and I hope that Semi will turn out to be one of the best selections.  Have you forgotten that most of the best players from last year's draft were second round picks to undrafted guys, never mind those outside the lottery?  Brogdon won Rookie of the Year.  McCaw became a part of the rotation in Golden State.  Zipser had his moments in Chicago.  Yogi Ferrell seemingly came out of nowhere to not only become the starting point guard in Dallas, but also a strong candidate for ROY.  Bryn Forbes played well for the Spurs.  Wayne Selden Jr. went from being undrafted to playing important minutes for the Grizzlies down the stretch of the regular season and even performed well in the playoffs, iirc.  Sheldon McCellan killed it in his first start against Dwyane Wade and Jimmy Butler, had a number of good games, and hopefully will become a staple of the rotation in Washington, while Jarrod Uthoff showed his ability in Dallas, Gary Payton II was called up by Milwaukee, and Daniel Ochefu - again, against all odds - made the roster in D.C. and had some nice performances in the summer league when matched up with some of the most celebrated picks from this year's class, like Bam "The Bodybuilder" Adebayo, and this year's second round and undrafteds looks even better, even though I realize that you and I will never agree on this issue, which is fine.

As for Semi, he's very different from Crowder, imo, and not just in terms of athleticism.  It's been mentioned that he's a better shooter, but he can also post up, has a step back jumper, can take the ball to the basket off the dribble, and gets to the line at an excellent rate, while also possibly having the ability to not only play, but also guard, 2's, 3's, and 4's given his quickness, athletic gifts, and strength.  Great motor, too, with a work ethic to match.  Hopefully he'll see some minutes in the big leagues this year, even though it's a much steeper climb for second round picks, not to mention undrafted guys, to break into the rotation, but we'll see what happens.  Maybe he'll surprise a lot of people - even you, Nick, and Coach Bo, lol, but I'm not exactly banking on that one ;) :laugh:.
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