What's exactly the downside if the deal falls through?

[CelticSooner]

What kind of seed in the East is Boston if they do not have IT for the regular season and they do not have Kyrie? 4 ?

You mean if we're starting Marcus Smart all year?

On the level of Charlotte, Milwaukee, etc.

An also ran. First round fodder.

Moving forward, we would have no lead option and no easy way to get one.

I don't understand how people are having trouble grasping why this would be so bad.

It's not as bad as you are making it out to be. IT obviously wasn't in the C's plans going forward and he had very little trade value to begin with. Cavs are just getting cold feet now because the C's are going to win this trade if it goes through lol

So what you are saying is the Celts were already in a really bad position?

Great.

I love this contingent of fans who are now swearing up and down they never wanted to keep IT and the team was never going to re-sign him. How very convenient.

Yeah I wanted to keep him but not if he's sitting on the bench hurt. I love the dude but not that much. It's sports, players get hurt just the way it is. I guess GS will just have to win another title next year.

[Sophomore]

What kind of seed in the East is Boston if they do not have IT for the regular season and they do not have Kyrie? 4 ?

You mean if we're starting Marcus Smart all year?

On the level of Charlotte, Milwaukee, etc.

An also ran. First round fodder.

Moving forward, we would have no lead option and no easy way to get one.

I don't understand how people are having trouble grasping why this would be so bad.

This is my concern...what do they do at PG next season when Thomas leaves on his own because Danny does not pay him....changes the dynamics of what they want to do with the picks, etc..

They'll be capped out, so unless they draft a star point guard prospect... Which they had the opportunity to do this summer but chose not to do because of IT... They will need to trade for a point guard. Which probably means targeting somebody much less exciting, like George Hill or Goran Dragic. A stop-gap option.

Teams are nothing in this league without an elite lead playmaker. The Celts may entirely lose access to having one if this deal falls through.

So they get a potentialy top 5 pick back again they can just trade or draft. We'll live.

Well, yeah, we'll live. But we'll live a whole lot worse. It's not remotely close.

[PhoSita]

While I agree that it's not good for the Celtics for this to fall through, I'm not sure how good it is for Cleveland either. Will anyone else give them anything close to a Brooklyn pick?  Will Irving even play for them?

It's bad for Cleveland, but this doesn't really change Kyrie's trade value. Everybody knew he was gone anyway.

Presumably they'd move on the next trade partner. Perhaps Denver.

[No Nickname]

What kind of seed in the East is Boston if they do not have IT for the regular season and they do not have Kyrie? 4 ?

You mean if we're starting Marcus Smart all year?

On the level of Charlotte, Milwaukee, etc.

An also ran. First round fodder.

Moving forward, we would have no lead option and no easy way to get one.

I don't understand how people are having trouble grasping why this would be so bad.

It's not as bad as you are making it out to be. IT obviously wasn't in the C's plans going forward and he had very little trade value to begin with. Cavs are just getting cold feet now because the C's are going to win this trade if it goes through lol

If IT was never in the plans, why did they pass up the opportunity to draft his replacement? I don't buy it.

That's a great point, and defense tactic #1 by Danny if the Cavs say he knew IT was more injured than he let on.

Why would Danny have traded the #1 pick (and a brand new point guard) for Jayson Tatum if he knew IT wasn't going to play for much of the season or needed surgery?

[Eja117]

The only possible downside to the deal being voided is if IT's hip is pretty bad and/or he's just determined not to play here anymore.

Not buying either of those.

[__ramonezy__]

The elephant in the room is IT's injury... nothing else. Stars signed here to play with IT and for CBS. We know that IT wants security, so I would give it to him. I would sign him to a two-year max extension  with the second year being a team option, as opposed to the player option that LeBron and KD signed.

That should be possible based on this clause for extending veteran contracts below:

Veteran contracts of less than four years cannot be extended. However, longer deals can be extended if a player is on a four-, five-, or six-year deal, it can be extended three years after it was signed.

Extend him and let him rehab/surgery for the year and reevaluate next summer. Keep our BK pick and IT get his security.

Crowder still is a logjam, but i believe his worth and contract make him easily movable for a decent front court piece with potential... so I would do Crowder for Alex Len in a heartbeat

[TheSundanceKid]

Isn't this obvious? If the deal falls through it is because Isaiah's injury is worse than we have all thought. So our expectations for the season should be reduced. That's an obvious downside. It doesn't matter if that was the case before the trade or not, it matters that the trade happened and then it didn't.

The other element is our ability to get value for our assets going forward. It does seem clear that doesn't want to give a 5 year max to Thomas, given a long lay off would Isaiah take a shorter contract instead? If there is doubt there Danny will trade him. But you can be sure that the return won't be as high as Kyrie.

Also to clear something up. Isaiah was as important to the trade as the Brooklyn pick. This narrative that it was the Brooklyn pick that was the big deal anyway is two faced. It never ceases to amaze me how selective a fans memory can be. After all it was less than a week ago.

Cleveland wanted a return that helped them now and in the future. Isaiah was the now, the pick the future. Both were needed to make the trade work

[TheSundanceKid]

The elephant in the room is IT's injury... nothing else. Stars signed here to play with IT and for CBS. We know that IT wants security, so I would give it to him. I would sign him to a two-year max extension  with the second year being a team option, as opposed to the player option that LeBron and KD signed.

That should be possible based on this clause for extending veteran contracts below:

Veteran contracts of less than four years cannot be extended. However, longer deals can be extended if a player is on a four-, five-, or six-year deal, it can be extended three years after it was signed.

Extend him and let him rehab/surgery for the year and reevaluate next summer. Keep our BK pick and IT get his security.

Crowder still is a logjam, but i believe his worth and contract make him easily movable for a decent front court piece with potential... so I would do Crowder for Alex Len in a heartbeat

Raised in salary are limited in extensions. Isaiah would only be able to make I think 175%od his current contract, which he obviously wouldn't do.

[playdream]

While I agree that it's not good for the Celtics for this to fall through, I'm not sure how good it is for Cleveland either. Will anyone else give them anything close to a Brooklyn pick?  Will Irving even play for them?

It's bad for Cleveland, but this doesn't really change Kyrie's trade value. Everybody knew he was gone anyway.

Presumably they'd move on the next trade partner. Perhaps Denver.

How about Kyrie announce he will not resign with any other team besides Boston?

[CelticsElite]

While I agree that it's not good for the Celtics for this to fall through, I'm not sure how good it is for Cleveland either. Will anyone else give them anything close to a Brooklyn pick?  Will Irving even play for them?

It's bad for Cleveland, but this doesn't really change Kyrie's trade value. Everybody knew he was gone anyway.

Presumably they'd move on the next trade partner. Perhaps Denver.

How about Kyrie announce he will not resign with any other team besides Boston?

Danny said he spoke with kyrie and he was very excited about the Celtics. I can't imagine kyrie being happy with this new development

[blink]

What kind of seed in the East is Boston if they do not have IT for the regular season and they do not have Kyrie? 4 ?

You mean if we're starting Marcus Smart all year?

On the level of Charlotte, Milwaukee, etc.

An also ran. First round fodder.

Moving forward, we would have no lead option and no easy way to get one.

I don't understand how people are having trouble grasping why this would be so bad.

It's not as bad as you are making it out to be. IT obviously wasn't in the C's plans going forward and he had very little trade value to begin with. Cavs are just getting cold feet now because the C's are going to win this trade if it goes through lol

If IT was never in the plans, why did they pass up the opportunity to draft his replacement? I don't buy it.

That's a great point, and defense tactic #1 by Danny if the Cavs say he knew IT was more injured than he let on.

Why would Danny have traded the #1 pick (and a brand new point guard) for Jayson Tatum if he knew IT wasn't going to play for much of the season or needed surgery?

Maybe because he thinks Tatum is going to be the best player of the 3 long term for the C's.

[playdream]

Isn't this obvious? If the deal falls through it is because Isaiah's injury is worse than we have all thought. So our expectations for the season should be reduced. That's an obvious downside. It doesn't matter if that was the case before the trade or not, it matters that the trade happened and then it didn't.

The other element is our ability to get value for our assets going forward. It does seem clear that doesn't want to give a 5 year max to Thomas, given a long lay off would Isaiah take a shorter contract instead? If there is doubt there Danny will trade him. But you can be sure that the return won't be as high as Kyrie.

Also to clear something up. Isaiah was as important to the trade as the Brooklyn pick. This narrative that it was the Brooklyn pick that was the big deal anyway is two faced. It never ceases to amaze me how selective a fans memory can be. After all it was less than a week ago.

Cleveland wanted a return that helped them now and in the future. Isaiah was the now, the pick the future. Both were needed to make the trade work

1.The moment the deal is announced some of us knew IT's hip is gone
2.Of course they want it, guess what they won't get it

[playdream]

What kind of seed in the East is Boston if they do not have IT for the regular season and they do not have Kyrie? 4 ?

You mean if we're starting Marcus Smart all year?

On the level of Charlotte, Milwaukee, etc.

An also ran. First round fodder.

Moving forward, we would have no lead option and no easy way to get one.

I don't understand how people are having trouble grasping why this would be so bad.

It's not as bad as you are making it out to be. IT obviously wasn't in the C's plans going forward and he had very little trade value to begin with. Cavs are just getting cold feet now because the C's are going to win this trade if it goes through lol

If IT was never in the plans, why did they pass up the opportunity to draft his replacement? I don't buy it.

That's a great point, and defense tactic #1 by Danny if the Cavs say he knew IT was more injured than he let on.

Why would Danny have traded the #1 pick (and a brand new point guard) for Jayson Tatum if he knew IT wasn't going to play for much of the season or needed surgery?

Maybe because he thinks Tatum is going to be the best player of the 3 long term for the C's.

These we should draft Fulz cus IT's injured is nonsense
Danny think Tatum is better and he got him and another lottery pick, if you wan't a talented rookie PG just draft him with your 2018 picks, i am 100% sure a rookie Fulz won't lead us past th e Warriors this year so it won't matter you "waste" this year

[cltc5]

Never wanted IT.  Feel like he stunted smarts growth.  Not to say I wasn't glad we had him because he was fun to watch.  But he doesn't fit the team mentality and at this juncture we need to grow as a team.  Same for crowder.  He's a bench player and stunts the young development.  Enjoyed watching him but he's not gonna help the growth of the team unless he's off the bench.

[Ogaju]

downside is we miss on the best ball handler this league has ever seen, but we continue on the path that Danny has set. Stay put... hope for lucky bounce of the balls in the lottery next year and go from there.