What's exactly the downside if the deal falls through?

[Csfan1984]

I think only downsides are we still have a log jam at SF. IT may look to just get surgery and try to get back by playoffs.

[PhoSita]

I'm not sure how this is a question.

No Kyrie, and the well is forever poisoned with IT, meaning the team must trade him in order to avoid losing him for nothing. But his trade value will be very low, so the team can't hope to get very much.

The trade being rescinded would be catastrophic for the Celts.

[celticinorlando]

What kind of seed in the East is Boston if they do not have IT for the regular season and they do not have Kyrie? 4 ?
 

[Csfan1984]

What kind of seed in the East is Boston if they do not have IT for the regular season and they do not have Kyrie? 4 ?

4 sounds right

[PhoSita]

What kind of seed in the East is Boston if they do not have IT for the regular season and they do not have Kyrie? 4 ?

You mean if we're starting Marcus Smart all year?

On the level of Charlotte, Milwaukee, etc.

An also ran. First round fodder.

Moving forward, we would have no lead option and no easy way to get one.

I don't understand how people are having trouble grasping why this would be so bad.

[celticinorlando]

What kind of seed in the East is Boston if they do not have IT for the regular season and they do not have Kyrie? 4 ?

You mean if we're starting Marcus Smart all year?

On the level of Charlotte, Milwaukee, etc.

An also ran. First round fodder.

Moving forward, we would have no lead option and no easy way to get one.

I don't understand how people are having trouble grasping why this would be so bad.

This is my concern...what do they do at PG next season when Thomas leaves on his own because Danny does not pay him....changes the dynamics of what they want to do with the picks, etc..

[PhoSita]

What kind of seed in the East is Boston if they do not have IT for the regular season and they do not have Kyrie? 4 ?

You mean if we're starting Marcus Smart all year?

On the level of Charlotte, Milwaukee, etc.

An also ran. First round fodder.

Moving forward, we would have no lead option and no easy way to get one.

I don't understand how people are having trouble grasping why this would be so bad.

This is my concern...what do they do at PG next season when Thomas leaves on his own because Danny does not pay him....changes the dynamics of what they want to do with the picks, etc..

They'll be capped out, so unless they draft a star point guard prospect... Which they had the opportunity to do this summer but chose not to do because of IT... They will need to trade for a point guard. Which probably means targeting somebody much less exciting, like George Hill or Goran Dragic. A stop-gap option.

Teams are nothing in this league without an elite lead playmaker. The Celts may entirely lose access to having one if this deal falls through.

[CelticSooner]

What kind of seed in the East is Boston if they do not have IT for the regular season and they do not have Kyrie? 4 ?

You mean if we're starting Marcus Smart all year?

On the level of Charlotte, Milwaukee, etc.

An also ran. First round fodder.

Moving forward, we would have no lead option and no easy way to get one.

I don't understand how people are having trouble grasping why this would be so bad.

It's not as bad as you are making it out to be. IT obviously wasn't in the C's plans going forward and he had very little trade value to begin with. Cavs are just getting cold feet now because the C's are going to win this trade if it goes through lol

[No Nickname]

I'm not too worried about it, but the concerns are:

1. Chemistry

2. Having no good replacement for IT if he's going to miss significant time

We all remember the grudge Ray felt when he was traded to Memphis, only to have it fall through. IT and Crowder are both prideful guys.

IT's father was quoted this week that Thomas is going to be fine in Cleveland because he has a mentality that he's one year closer to "getting paid."  I imagine that was a huge factor in him choosing the no surgery route. Play well this season, gut through some pain if necessary without letting anyone know (remember how he still wanted to keep playing in the ECF but Danny said no), and get his max deal from someone, or something close to max. Then deal with the hip.

While it's a business, and the timing of his injury sucks, that's a duplicitous way to handle the situation (if he's downplaying his injury, and yes it's me making this theory, it's not a known fact).

[PhoSita]

What kind of seed in the East is Boston if they do not have IT for the regular season and they do not have Kyrie? 4 ?

You mean if we're starting Marcus Smart all year?

On the level of Charlotte, Milwaukee, etc.

An also ran. First round fodder.

Moving forward, we would have no lead option and no easy way to get one.

I don't understand how people are having trouble grasping why this would be so bad.

It's not as bad as you are making it out to be. IT obviously wasn't in the C's plans going forward and he had very little trade value to begin with. Cavs are just getting cold feet now because the C's are going to win this trade if it goes through lol

So what you are saying is the Celts were already in a really bad position?

Great.


If IT was never in the plans, why did they pass up the opportunity to draft his replacement? I don't buy it.

I love this contingent of fans who are now swearing up and down they never wanted to keep IT and the team was never going to re-sign him. How very convenient.

[CelticSooner]

What kind of seed in the East is Boston if they do not have IT for the regular season and they do not have Kyrie? 4 ?

You mean if we're starting Marcus Smart all year?

On the level of Charlotte, Milwaukee, etc.

An also ran. First round fodder.

Moving forward, we would have no lead option and no easy way to get one.

I don't understand how people are having trouble grasping why this would be so bad.

This is my concern...what do they do at PG next season when Thomas leaves on his own because Danny does not pay him....changes the dynamics of what they want to do with the picks, etc..

They'll be capped out, so unless they draft a star point guard prospect... Which they had the opportunity to do this summer but chose not to do because of IT... They will need to trade for a point guard. Which probably means targeting somebody much less exciting, like George Hill or Goran Dragic. A stop-gap option.

Teams are nothing in this league without an elite lead playmaker. The Celts may entirely lose access to having one if this deal falls through.

So they get a potentialy top 5 pick back again they can just trade or draft. We'll live.

[Jon]

While I agree that it's not good for the Celtics for this to fall through, I'm not sure how good it is for Cleveland either. Will anyone else give them anything close to a Brooklyn pick?  Will Irving even play for them?

[RJ87]

I'm not too worried about it, but the concerns are:

1. Chemistry

2. Having no good replacement for IT if he's going to miss significant time

We all remember the grudge Ray felt when he was traded to Memphis, only to have it fall through. IT and Crowder are both prideful guys.

Really, why should the chemistry be affected, because Danny "betrayed" IT? or JC?
Is there any GM who is willing to pay IT's wanted MAX money when knowing his injury? or to keep JC when he openly called out the fans and the coach while being the odd man out?
Danny did the thing that every GM should and will do, i don't believe they will be treated any better in any other place, thus we owe them nothing

Chemistry would be screwed.

http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/08/25/isiah-thomas-says-isaiah-thomas-felt-trade-was-a-punch-in-the-gut/amp/

[celticinorlando]

What kind of seed in the East is Boston if they do not have IT for the regular season and they do not have Kyrie? 4 ?

You mean if we're starting Marcus Smart all year?

On the level of Charlotte, Milwaukee, etc.

An also ran. First round fodder.

Moving forward, we would have no lead option and no easy way to get one.

I don't understand how people are having trouble grasping why this would be so bad.

This is my concern...what do they do at PG next season when Thomas leaves on his own because Danny does not pay him....changes the dynamics of what they want to do with the picks, etc..

They'll be capped out, so unless they draft a star point guard prospect... Which they had the opportunity to do this summer but chose not to do because of IT... They will need to trade for a point guard. Which probably means targeting somebody much less exciting, like George Hill or Goran Dragic. A stop-gap option.

Teams are nothing in this league without an elite lead playmaker. The Celts may entirely lose access to having one if this deal falls through.

So they get a potentialy top 5 pick back again they can just trade or draft. We'll live.

They will live...but this season would most likely be a waste. Don't see them winning he east or challenging in the East if they have no Kyrie or if IT is shelved for a long period of time, perhaps the entire season

[PhoSita]

So essentially what you're saying is we'll be back to hoping one of those picks turns into a franchise player.

Might as well trade Horford and Hayward then.

Even if you say, well, we move on to targeting Anthony Davis, the question is, who is going to be your point guard on that team? Anthony Davis and a bunch of solid players with no lead playmaker isn't going anywhere.