What's exactly the downside if the deal falls through?

[playdream]

I'm not too worried about it, but the concerns are:

1. Chemistry

2. Having no good replacement for IT if he's going to miss significant time

We all remember the grudge Ray felt when he was traded to Memphis, only to have it fall through. IT and Crowder are both prideful guys.

Really, why should the chemistry be affected, because Danny "betrayed" IT? or JC?
Is there any GM who is willing to pay IT's wanted MAX money when knowing his injury? or to keep JC when he openly called out the fans and the coach while being the odd man out?
Danny did the thing that every GM should and will do, i don't believe they will be treated any better in any other place, thus we owe them nothing

[playdream]

Nobody is going to trade anything of value for Jae Crowder and a hurt IT.

The biggest issue is how do you replace the offense without Irving and Thomas off the court for a long long time

That is true on IT's part, but then again our value is the Net's pick from the begining, you trade it for KI or AD or draft it

[Roy H.]

I'm not too worried about it, but the concerns are:

1. Chemistry

2. Having no good replacement for IT if he's going to miss significant time

We all remember the grudge Ray felt when he was traded to Memphis, only to have it fall through. IT and Crowder are both prideful guys.

Really, why should the chemistry be affected, because Danny "betrayed" IT? or JC?
Is there any GM who is willing to pay IT's wanted MAX money when knowing his injury? or to keep JC when he openly called out the fans and the coach while being the odd man out?
Danny did the thing that every GM should and will do, i don't believe they will be treated any better in any other place, thus we owe them nothing

Because they're human beings, rather than robots?

[D Dub]

Nobody is going to trade anything of value for Jae Crowder and a hurt IT.

The biggest issue is how do you replace the offense without Irving and Thomas off the court for a long long time

Unless you have a source on IT's injury timeline, could you stop posting this false narrative?

Just say no to Fake News!!

[celticinorlando]

Nobody is going to trade anything of value for Jae Crowder and a hurt IT.

The biggest issue is how do you replace the offense without Irving and Thomas off the court for a long long time

Unless you have a source on IT's injury timeline, could you stop posting this false narrative?

Just say no to Fake News!!

Ainge said he would not be ready to play. He has not even started running yet. They hope that rest does the trick but obviously that does not seem to be working. Next step would be surgery, which is a 4-6 month recovery. If they don't this will be a nagging injury all season

[D Dub]

Nobody is going to trade anything of value for Jae Crowder and a hurt IT.

The biggest issue is how do you replace the offense without Irving and Thomas off the court for a long long time

Unless you have a source on IT's injury timeline, could you stop posting this false narrative?

Just say no to Fake News!!

Ainge said he would not be ready to play. He has not even started running yet. They hope that rest does the trick but obviously that does not seem to be working. Next step would be surgery, which is a 4-6 month recovery. If they don't this will be a nagging injury all season

Ainge said he would not be ready.....for training camp. 

Word was he'd miss a month.  That hasn't changed.   

Now, that's hardly the doom and gloom scenario you keep repeating, without source, that he's out for the year.   Fact is, he isn't even considering the surgery. 

So no, he's not out for the year.  Or even a long long time.  It's August and he's rehabbing for a November return. 

See all the conclusions you've jumped to, based on a Woj boilerplate quote?

[celticinorlando]

Nobody is going to trade anything of value for Jae Crowder and a hurt IT.

The biggest issue is how do you replace the offense without Irving and Thomas off the court for a long long time

Unless you have a source on IT's injury timeline, could you stop posting this false narrative?

Just say no to Fake News!!

Ainge said he would not be ready to play. He has not even started running yet. They hope that rest does the trick but obviously that does not seem to be working. Next step would be surgery, which is a 4-6 month recovery. If they don't this will be a nagging injury all season

Ainge said he would not be ready.....for training camp. 

Word was he'd miss a month.  That hasn't changed.   

Now, that's hardly the doom and gloom scenario you keep repeating, without source, that he's out for the year.   Fact is, he isn't even considering the surgery. 

So no, he's not out for the year.  Or even a long long time.  It's August and he's rehabbing for a November return. 

See all the conclusions you've jumped to, based on a Woj boilerplate quote?

We will see when this lingers on and on this season what he ends up doing. Stevens said on recent podcast IT was scheduled to have more tests done in September. Team wouldn't know timetable until then. So there is a chance that he has not healed and surgery could be in the cards.

[SHAQATTACK]

Right now the downside for both teams is the wasted time , energy and bonding of players in ramping up for the season .

Celtics upheld their commitment....

Cavs need to stop picking their noses and make a decision

The longer the wait , the worse off both teams get .

The new players need to know whats going down .


Cavs having buyers REMORSE .....the stupid talking heads all thought Cavs won the deal .....until reality hit ......IT has a serious injury .   No the Cavs did not win the deal .....they got good value with Crowder and Nets pick ......Danny is no fool.

The deal is still the best they can get IMO ...i see no other offer on the table better.

[celticinorlando]

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[Eja117]

I find it entertaining the idea that Ainge sold in full view of the world damaged goods, then essentially lied about it, knowing IT was going to take a physical, and that the Cavs are also so stupid that they didn't ask.

No contingencies or anything.

Worst case scenario maybe Ainge said something like "We expect him to play this year" and the Cavs doctors were like ...."Well. He'll probably play. This year. Probably."

[green_bballers13]

IT isn't that big of a piece in this trade. I know this sounds ridiculous, b/c he was a top 5 offensive player in the league last year. That being said, I don't plan on CLE paying the max for him. I expect another team to do so. IT was brought on for 17/18. I'm sure the Cavs would prefer another high draft pick over him.

I hope the Celtics don't trade the Lakers/SAC first rounder in addition.

I always thought it was goofy that the Cavs wanted to trade Kyrie to Boston. I wouldn't be shocked if they trade Kyrie elsewhere now.

[CelticSooner]

I think this trade gets rescinded. Cavs seem desperate for one last title run and hope of a LeBron return. C's will be alright if that does happen. Back to the same place they were before if Ainge wasn't going to offer IT a huge contract.

[celticinorlando]

I expect the Cavs new demands will be too high for Ainge, Boston has to take back a damaged Thomas and Kyrie is traded elsewhere.

Thomas missing any significant amount of time hurts Boston because the guys behind him just aren't that good.

Really sucks because IT just does not move the needle going forward for Boston. Might have to just ride out the season with him and let him leave. Use the 2 lottery picks for more young players and wait out the Warriors

[celticinorlando]

I think this trade gets rescinded. Cavs seem desperate for one last title run and hope of a LeBron return. C's will be alright if that does happen. Back to the same place they were before if Ainge wasn't going to offer IT a huge contract.

Well we were all led to believe Thomas would be ready to go this season and that looks to be a bit doubtful at this point. So I would get ready for Rozier and Larkin running the show....at least for a few months. The fact he cannot be cleared means there is something wrong with the hip that rest did not or is not fixing

[Eja117]

In terms of someone that makes money and impacts winning. Would they rather have Marcus? Marcus and late first?

That wouldn't bother me at all.