IT's Physical

[playdream]

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2017/08/cavs-weighing-options-following-thomas-physical.html

So the article basically saying there won't be a physical check before it's official, it's after

[BostonClamCrowdah]

Holy Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.

If this trade doesn't go through, the franchise is in serious trouble lol

You'd almost have to trade IT and Crowder, and for what?!

[guava_wrench]

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2017/08/cavs-weighing-options-following-thomas-physical.html

So the article basically saying there won't be a physical check before it's official, it's after

And it makes sense. Players shouldn't have to let teams examine them the team committed to the player.

[GetLucky]

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2017/08/cavs-weighing-options-following-thomas-physical.html

So the article basically saying there won't be a physical check before it's official, it's after

How did you get that from this?

Per Celtics executive Mike Zarren in a question and answer on Boston’s official site: “A trade is not officially complete, and no player may suit up for his new team in a game or practice, until all players report to their new teams and pass a physical exam.”

[SparzWizard]

Holy ****

If this trade doesn't go through, the franchise is in serious trouble lol

You'd almost have to trade IT and Crowder, and for what?!

And Kyrie isn't going to report to Cavs' training camp. A disgruntled Kyrie playing with LeBron James? Not a good sign for them either. But they'll want us to throw in another pick...we'll give 'em a late 1st rounder or a 2nd round pick and that will be it.

Or they can trade him to the Bucks for Brogdon and Middleton.

[GreenEnvy]

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2017/08/cavs-weighing-options-following-thomas-physical.html

So the article basically saying there won't be a physical check before it's official, it's after

How did you get that from this?

Per Celtics executive Mike Zarren in a question and answer on Boston’s official site: “A trade is not officially complete, and no player may suit up for his new team in a game or practice, until all players report to their new teams and pass a physical exam.”

I thought it's possible to waive a physical? Like if you trade for a player who's expiring and you know he's hurt, you can forego the physical and have the trade made official.

They knew he was rehabbing. Maybe they didn't like what they saw. Maybe they didn't know he was injured. I put nothing past the Cavs.

It really makes you wonder, is IT so upset that he's feeling much more pain in that hip these past couple of days than the weeks and months prior?

Also makes you wonder if this particular injury/diagnosis/treatment had anything to do with the surprising departures of Bryan Doo and Ed Lacerte.

[KGBirdBias]

Told ya, Ainge is savvy. Even Stevie Wonder knew IT had a bad hip. It looks like Ainge rook'ed Altman.

Sure give the Cavs an extra pick, but I would be shocked if the trade is voided because the Cavs really want that Nets pick.

You know Irving wants no part of going back to the Cavs.

[playdream]

Why are we giving them more picks? you know the injury and you agreed on it, so take it or leave it and see who is ever going to do business with you again

[playdream]

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2017/08/cavs-weighing-options-following-thomas-physical.html

So the article basically saying there won't be a physical check before it's official, it's after

How did you get that from this?

Per Celtics executive Mike Zarren in a question and answer on Boston’s official site: “A trade is not officially complete, and no player may suit up for his new team in a game or practice, until all players report to their new teams and pass a physical exam.”

This is incomplete, he continues to say the physical can be waived if agreed upon

[KGBirdBias]

Why are we giving them more picks? you know the injury and you agreed on it, so take it or leave it and see who is ever going to do business with you again

Because you want Irving. It wouldn't be a great pick. They can't say they didn't know.  I don't think it gets voided but future compensation is given. The Cavs desperately want that Nets pick.

[celticinorlando]

Having to take back Crowder and Thomas makes me sick. Crowder is already p---ed because of Hayward and honestly he is really just a 6th man who gets a starting job

Then there is Thomas. My bet is he won't see the court this season as a Celtic. His hip should have had surgery and now Boston is stuck with him. He can't play? Boston becomes a 4 or 5 seed in the East.

That leads into next season where he is a FA wanting Brinks money...and no way is Danny giving him any type of big contract.

Bottomline is keeping Thomas means Boston does not go far in the playoffs and then has to find a PG for next season.

Only thing positive is the pick.

[SHAQATTACK]

In the end the Nets pick is STILL the best deal Cavs getting for a player they MUST move . But Im not giving up much of significance in lue of IT .....fact is he just is not worth much much as a unknown ....but we do know he is on backside of twenty ...which does not leave him alot of years coming back from a serious surgery .

But a draft pick is not helping LEWHINE this year and only remotely improves a chance he stays in Cleveland.

Best thing for Celtics if trade falls though is to,wave Thomas and be done .   He has to restart his career all over on another team not under time clock to compete .

[Vermont Green]

Cavs were more concerned with getting that BK pick, than IT's health.

It is easy to throw that out there but I wouldn't be so sure.  Cleveland is going to want to be competitive in what is very possibly LeBron's last season with them.  I think they want very much to have IT on the court and playing well.  The specialists are going to help them figure out what is the best way to make sure he is healthy for the playoffs.

We as fans don't have all the information of course but between what has been reported and what I have read about the condition, it is chronic.  It is not something that will heal.  He can play but there will be pain.  Playing isn't going to make it worse.  It can be repaired with highly invasive surgery which has good outcomes but not guaranteed.  Cleveland is going to manage the hip to get the most out of it.

It is a tough situation for IT.  I don't know how many more seasons he can nurse this along without having the major surgery.  One more season yes, but then what.  Cleveland will trade for him for that one season but who will sign a long term deal?

IT is in between a rock and hard place now . 
They need him to score a high level to replace Irving.  Squeezing though 250-300 pound guys nighly .  How to get a brinks truck ( playing spectacular) , being a scoring machine ,  and not getting that hip sore and irritated once again. He could wind up doing more tearing ,  and then it won't be a Brinks truck , but an ambulance he ll see pulling up in his driveway.

If IT can not still be IT we love and know during the playoffs .   Lebron is not beating Celtics and noway beating Houston or GS.    Lebron won't hang the rest of his career on a hurt 5-9'guard or the 6-10 pick either .  The pick needs to be 1-4 and or/ IT healthy as a horse.

I posted on this yesterday (see above) that there is a real issue with the hip.  He has a chronic condition where the ball and the socket of his hip are out of round.  I am not a doctor, this is what I read about the condition at the end of last season.  The condition does not heal.  Some of the collateral inflammation can flare up (as it did end of last season) and settle down (as I am sure the off seasons has allowed) but the hip condition itself does not heal.

None of us know the current state of his hip or how ready it may be to play a season of NBA basketball.  It seemed to me based on deciding to forego surgery and reports that he was going to be ready for preseason, that he was going to be able to play but that it would be a nurse it along kind of injury.  That should have been what CLE expected and probably was OK with them.  They just need one good season out of him since this may be LeBron's last.

I wonder if there is more to this.  We have not had any of the obligatory love-fest type statements from the team and the players that are generally standard fare for these trades.  IT has been quiet and CLE team and players have been quiet.  Maybe IT is miffed at being traded and is threatening to have surgery if CLE doesn't extend him or something like that.  Now CLE is trying to use the physical as an excuse but it isn't the real issue.

For IT to put it all out there for one season and then maybe need surgery is a good deal for Cleveland but not so much for IT.  Why would he do that?  Unless he could play the whole season and show the world the hip is fine, he is probably better off getting surgery.  I don't believe the hip is fine.  I believe that IT can have a good season but it will end like this season, with him limping off, this time probably to surgery.  Why not do a soft hold out and make CLE give you a couple of guaranteed seasons.

[celticinorlando]

Did the Cavs make the deal for an undersized, aging guard that wants a max deal and probably isn't resigning there or did they make it for the pick.

They made it for the pick. So throw in a little sweetner and get it done.

[Dino Pitino]

If IT fails his physical and the trade is rescinded, the posters against the trade are going to be left wondering how we can replace our crippled PG and how much it would cost to replace him and suddenly the BRK pick for Kyrie is going to look more than fair to them.

This doesn't make any sense unless you think Ainge was trying to swindle Cleveland by dumping a hurt IT on them.

It's more of a thought experiment to show that the people against the trade aren't dealing with the reality of Isaiah's hip, and if they suddenly had to, they would change their tune. I have no doubt that Cleveland made the trade with full knowledge of Isaiah's hip's condition. The trade was really about Kyrie-for-BRK. If they get half a year of a hobbled IT, Cavs'll probably still be happy with the trade.

A lot people (myself included) would have a differing opinion about this trade if in fact IT doesn't come back healthy. I don't think one should just assume either or right now though.

Suddenly the trade seems a lot better now that IT might fail the physical, right?