Is Kyrie a superstar? (poll)

[CelticsElite]

Just wait till he plays this season on a team where he can shine better!

The fact you guys have him in top 20 players just goes to show the potential he has at 25 years of age

P.S. no one mentioned IT so surely he's better then xD

boom there you go. No one has IT above him. Unless you fall in love with that Brooklyn pick (that can be a bust), we won the trade like bandits


What are the chances the Brooklyn pick is a top 15 player? Lets be honest, its slim. It could be darko type player. It could be Marcus smart type player. It could be deandre jordan type player. But will it be a kyrie type player? Even if it is, it's a gamble of which we still have many picks and prospects left. We needed a sure thing

[ThePaintedArea]

He’s not a surefire top 15 player. I have (in no particular order)

Lebron
Kawhi
Durant
Giannis
PG13
Curry
Westbrook
Harden
CP3
Wall
Butler
Davis
Cousins
Towns

All above him. That’s 14 players. So for the 15th spot I think he’s fighting with Lillard, who I think are really similar players. But that’s not even mentioning Derozan, Hayward, Griffin, and Gobert who I could potentially see someone taking over Kyrie.

Lol at bigs being about guards. They don't have the same impact

Also lol at putting jimmy butler ahead of him

You should watch Kyrie play defense and then come back and tell me bigs like Anthony Davis, and 2 way stars like Jimmy Butler shouldn’t be ahead of him.

I like how you mention defense but you have harden, towns, curry, and cp3 on your list

Chris Paul is an outstanding defender.

[Bucketgetter]

He’s not a surefire top 15 player. I have (in no particular order)

Lebron
Kawhi
Durant
Giannis
PG13
Curry
Westbrook
Harden
CP3
Wall
Butler
Davis
Cousins
Towns

All above him. That’s 14 players. So for the 15th spot I think he’s fighting with Lillard, who I think are really similar players. But that’s not even mentioning Derozan, Hayward, Griffin, and Gobert who I could potentially see someone taking over Kyrie.

Lol at bigs being about guards. They don't have the same impact

Also lol at putting jimmy butler ahead of him

You should watch Kyrie play defense and then come back and tell me bigs like Anthony Davis, and 2 way stars like Jimmy Butler shouldn’t be ahead of him.

I like how you mention defense but you have harden, towns, curry, and cp3 on your list

Jesus you think CP3 is the same or worse than Kyrie on defense?  I refuse to argue with someone who clearly has never watched an NBA game...

[Tr1boy]

I think the results would have been different  have been different if you had done the poll before Danny traded for him, ha ha.

It obviously depends upon what your definition of superstar is. If there are around five superstars in the league, obviously not. If there are 15 to 20, then yes.

Werent you a fan of Irving? Even before Lebron re joined the Cavs?

Why the change of heart

[CelticSince83]

He’s not a surefire top 15 player. I have (in no particular order)

Lebron
Kawhi
Durant
Giannis
PG13
Curry
Westbrook
Harden
CP3
Wall
Butler
Davis
Cousins
Towns

All above him. That’s 14 players. So for the 15th spot I think he’s fighting with Lillard, who I think are really similar players. But that’s not even mentioning Derozan, Hayward, Griffin, and Gobert who I could potentially see someone taking over Kyrie.

Lol at bigs being about guards. They don't have the same impact

Also lol at putting jimmy butler ahead of him

You should watch Kyrie play defense and then come back and tell me bigs like Anthony Davis, and 2 way stars like Jimmy Butler shouldn’t be ahead of him.

I like how you mention defense but you have harden, towns, curry, and cp3 on your list

Chris Paul is an outstanding defender.

CP3 always gets dumped on here. 

[PhoSita]

No.  He's got the talent to become one, but so far in his career he's been a superlative individual scorer and that's all.

I put him on a similar level as guys like Damian Lillard and C.J. McCollum.  He's a cut below John Wall and Kyle Lowry, not to mention Westbrook, Curry, Harden, Paul, etc.  I might even put Mike Conley above him.

I can't see him as a superstar until he demonstrates that he's capable of elevating his team, not simply putting on impressive individual scoring displays.

I think it's possible for a pure offensive player to be a superstar, but the production needs to be otherworldly.  Isaiah Thomas arguably hit that level last year.


Again, he's got the talent, but hasn't actually put it together in that way for more than a few games at a time in the playoffs.

[bdm860]

I think the results would have been different  have been different if you had done the poll before Danny traded for him, ha ha.

It obviously depends upon what your definition of superstar is. If there are around five superstars in the league, obviously not. If there are 15 to 20, then yes.

Well we do have this thread from last month.  Rank 'em:  Irving, Lillard, Wall  Based on my quick look right now, seems most people had Irving ranked either 2nd or 3rd out of those 3.  Didn't see anybody rank Irving #1.

Doesn't mean all 3 can't be superstars.  But seems most had Irving ranked behind Wall and neck-and-neck with Lillard.

[D Dub]

No.  He's got the talent to become one, but so far in his career he's been a superlative individual scorer and that's all.

I put him on a similar level as guys like Damian Lillard and C.J. McCollum.  He's a cut below John Wall and Kyle Lowry, not to mention Westbrook, Curry, Harden, Paul, etc.  I might even put Mike Conley above him.

I can't see him as a superstar until he demonstrates that he's capable of elevating his team, not simply putting on impressive individual scoring displays.

I think it's possible for a pure offensive player to be a superstar, but the production needs to be otherworldly.  Isaiah Thomas arguably hit that level last year.


Again, he's got the talent, but hasn't actually put it together in that way for more than a few games at a time in the playoffs.

Didn't he hit a game 7 winning three in the Finals?

That's proof enough for me. 

[jpotter33]

No.  He's got the talent to become one, but so far in his career he's been a superlative individual scorer and that's all.

I put him on a similar level as guys like Damian Lillard and C.J. McCollum.  He's a cut below John Wall and Kyle Lowry, not to mention Westbrook, Curry, Harden, Paul, etc.  I might even put Mike Conley above him.

I can't see him as a superstar until he demonstrates that he's capable of elevating his team, not simply putting on impressive individual scoring displays.

I think it's possible for a pure offensive player to be a superstar, but the production needs to be otherworldly.  Isaiah Thomas arguably hit that level last year.


Again, he's got the talent, but hasn't actually put it together in that way for more than a few games at a time in the playoffs.

That's ridiculous. I can see the Wall argument, but putting Lowry and Conley over him is laughable. He's also clearly better than McCollum.

God, how did Celticsblog underrate this kid so much?

[Who]

No.

I define a superstar as an MVP candidate or near MVP candidate. This could be 5-6 guys or 8-9 guys depending on how many top talents there is in the league. I do not consider Kyrie one of these players. I do not consider him an MVP candidate or near MVP candidate.

Furthermore, I do not consider Kyrie to be a top 10 or top 15 player in the NBA.

I do consider Kyrie to be an All-Star. A top 25 player in the league.

Which is a star but not a superstar.

[jambr380]

I think the results would have been different  have been different if you had done the poll before Danny traded for him, ha ha.

It obviously depends upon what your definition of superstar is. If there are around five superstars in the league, obviously not. If there are 15 to 20, then yes.

Well we do have this thread from last month.  Rank 'em:  Irving, Lillard, Wall  Based on my quick look right now, seems most people had Irving ranked either 2nd or 3rd out of those 3.  Didn't see anybody rank Irving #1.

Doesn't mean all 3 can't be superstars.  But seems most had Irving ranked behind Wall and neck-and-neck with Lillard.

It looks like Irving got more #2 votes than Lillard; Wall seems to be the clear-cut #1. This seems to make sense, although if Wall is unable to become a better shooter and Irving breaks out from under Lebron's shadow, that could quickly change.

[Roy H.]

I think the results would have been different  have been different if you had done the poll before Danny traded for him, ha ha.

It obviously depends upon what your definition of superstar is. If there are around five superstars in the league, obviously not. If there are 15 to 20, then yes.

Werent you a fan of Irving? Even before Lebron re joined the Cavs?

Why the change of heart

I'm still a fan of Kyrie, although I was wrong about his defense and passing. Im disappointed they haven't improved.

My problems with the trade are:

1. Kyrie vs. last year's IT is basically a lateral move;

2. We gave up somewhere around a 25% chance to add a generational talent in Bagley or Porter;

3. We passed on deals where we could have retained IT and added another superstar at a cheaper cost;

4. Kyrie has clashed with multiple teammates, even before Lebron got there. Our team had amazing chemistry, which is now an unknown

Kyrie is a game-changing scorer, but he hasn't shown the ability to carry his team, to run an offense, or to play defense. He's a great player, but his game is remarkably similar to the guy he's replacing, minus the leadership and durability.

As argued in other threads, I can't think of a trade in the past 20+ years that involved paying this much value. There's a reasonable chance that we gave up Crowder, Zizic, and the rights to Bagley / Porter for an incremental upgrade.

Now, if the hip injury limits IT going forward, it looks better for us. If Kyrie makes an almost unprecedented leap, it's better for us. If everyone stays at about the level they were last year, though, this is a big loss.

[Dino Pitino]

No.

I define a superstar as an MVP candidate or near MVP candidate. This could be 5-6 guys or 8-9 guys depending on how many top talents there is in the league. I do not consider Kyrie one of these players. I do not consider him an MVP candidate or near MVP candidate.

Furthermore, I do not consider Kyrie to be a top 10 or top 15 player in the NBA.

I do consider Kyrie to be an All-Star. A top 25 player in the league.

Which is a star but not a superstar.

I agree, but I think he has the talent to make the leap into top 10 superstardom, and I think that is what the Celtics front office expects out of him this year, too.

[CelticsElite]

I think the results would have been different  have been different if you had done the poll before Danny traded for him, ha ha.

It obviously depends upon what your definition of superstar is. If there are around five superstars in the league, obviously not. If there are 15 to 20, then yes.

Werent you a fan of Irving? Even before Lebron re joined the Cavs?

Why the change of heart

I'm still a fan of Kyrie, although I was wrong about his defense and passing. Im disappointed they haven't improved.

My problems with the trade are:

1. Kyrie vs. last year's IT is basically a lateral move;

2. We gave up somewhere around a 25% chance to add a generational talent in Bagley or Porter;

3. We passed on deals where we could have retained IT and added another superstar at a cheaper cost;

4. Kyrie has clashed with multiple teammates, even before Lebron got there. Our team had amazing chemistry, which is now an unknown

Kyrie is a game-changing scorer, but he hasn't shown the ability to carry his team, to run an offense, or to play defense. He's a great player, but his game is remarkably similar to the guy he's replacing, minus the leadership and durability.

As argued in other threads, I can't think of a trade in the past 20+ years that involved paying this much value. There's a reasonable chance that we gave up Crowder, Zizic, and the rights to Bagley / Porter for an incremental upgrade.

Now, if the hip injury limits IT going forward, it looks better for us. If Kyrie makes an almost unprecedented leap, it's better for us. If everyone stays at about the level they were last year, though, this is a big loss.

I'm pretty sure retaining IT was not an option. The max is to much and also his age doesn't align with the Celtics plan

[dysgenic]

No.  He's got the talent to become one, but so far in his career he's been a superlative individual scorer and that's all.

I put him on a similar level as guys like Damian Lillard and C.J. McCollum.  He's a cut below John Wall and Kyle Lowry, not to mention Westbrook, Curry, Harden, Paul, etc.  I might even put Mike Conley above him.

I can't see him as a superstar until he demonstrates that he's capable of elevating his team, not simply putting on impressive individual scoring displays.

I think it's possible for a pure offensive player to be a superstar, but the production needs to be otherworldly.  Isaiah Thomas arguably hit that level last year.


Again, he's got the talent, but hasn't actually put it together in that way for more than a few games at a time in the playoffs.

I would take Irvin over every guy on your list except maybe Curry. Even that is close given Irvings age. Irving will def win an MVP in this league one day if he stays healthy. Lowry and Conley are lol not even in the same league as Irving.