He’s not a surefire top 15 player. I have (in no particular order)
Lebron
Kawhi
Durant
Giannis
PG13
Curry
Westbrook
Harden
CP3
Wall
Butler
Davis
Cousins
Towns
All above him. That’s 14 players. So for the 15th spot I think he’s fighting with Lillard, who I think are really similar players. But that’s not even mentioning Derozan, Hayward, Griffin, and Gobert who I could potentially see someone taking over Kyrie.
Edit: Add in Klay and Draymond who are guys you could potentially argue for over Kyrie.
Cousins - was on bad Kings teams and NO got worse post-trade while the Kings got better. Can't put him above an NBA champ alpha who was all star game MVP at 21.
Butler - He's a very good 2 way player but if he doesn't put up 25-5-5 on Minny and lead them to the WCF, then he can't do what Kyrie did this year and isn't better either. Don't believe he ever made the ECF in a weak East even on his pretty [dang] stacked Bulls teams.
Towns - if you plan on keeping Kyrie out for his poor D then you'll have to keep Towns out too. Towns hasn't even played on a .500 team yet. So no for him.
Giannis - probably will pass Kyrie in the next 2-3 years but so far he's had only one year of monster stats and never gotten out of the first round. Nope.
PG13 - He had him in the past but PG13 put up worse stats as the undisputed alpha on the 7th seed in a crap conference. When he was a top 8-10 player he had an insane amount of help. Can't say he's clearly better until he regains his old form.
CP3 - I love CP3 but he's pretty old now and we're comparing an NBA champ who might be the most clutch player in the league to a guy who has been amazing but has choked in the playoffs and never been to a conference finals. I'd say this is debatable in 2017-18.
None of the guys not on your official list are better than Kyrie.
If these revisions are accepted, that puts Kyrie in the top 9-10. If you wanna say there are only 5-6 superstars then no he isn't, but he's absolutely a franchise guy as a top 10 player in a league with 30 teams.
Lol, looks like you’re just rating teams, not actual players. When you say “Nope he played on a bad team” is not a reason to rate someone else higher. I guess you forgot Kyrie played with Lebron and Love? He wasn’t even the best player on his team, so don’t call him an alpha or a guy who led his team to the Finals. That guy was Lebron. The Cavs were also awful with Lebron off the court or not playing.
CP3, PG13, Butler, and Cousins are all clearly better players than Kyrie. They are actual complete players. Kyrie does one thing well, which is create for himself. As far as Giannis and Towns, they are young, but they’ve already proved in their limited time that they are dominant players. Towns isn’t very good at defense, but his shortcomings pale in comparison to Kyrie’s. Kyrie ranks dead last in a couple defensive categories for guards, he is truly awful.
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