The C's had ZERO leverage in trades for Bradley. That's 100% Danny's fault.

[RockinRyA]

Danny did have leverage.  He had to make exactly one deal.  He was working with Utah on a deal for Crowder.  He was working with NY on a deal for Smart.

Utah knew he HAD TO make a deal. And quickly. That's why they offered nothing to get Crowder's contract. And so the Knicks for Smart or the LA teams for Bradley.

So no, Danny did NOT have any kind of leverage. In fact, the trade we made was a pretty good one given the urgency of the situation to make room for Hayward.

Um, incorrect, see multiple posts before and after yours.

Nobody is correct when we are expressing opinions. This is not maths    And yes, I know where you are going, I suppose related to dates.

I, as many of other people around these forums, believe we had no leverage. And that's as right as your thinking the other way.

Having no leverage is actually easily disproven.

The fact that he managed to get a nice player on a nice contract means he has leverage. The fact that there were several interests among teams means he has leverage. If he had no leverage any of the three would be gone for a heavily protected second rounder.

When a player of Bradley's caliber becomes available, if you are a GM you would be interested. But you would also know that there are other GMs who think like you and interested. The bidding starts there.

It's common sense. If NYK, Jazz, Hawks etc are interested, you can be [dang] sure they will try to outdo each other, even if its only a little. You think Detroit offered Morris despite knowing other teams arent giving up anything? GMs are not that dumb.

Citing its your opinion doesnt make a statement not subject to right or wrong.

[PAOBoston]

Well, this didn't really become an issue until several weeks ago when the lower cap number was announced. If the initial cap projection was the real one, I doubt this is a conversation. Sh*t happens. Don't think anyone thought the revenues were going to drop thaaat much. But such is life. It was a tough decision that had to be made.

[IDreamCeltics]

Well, this didn't really become an issue until several weeks ago when the lower cap number was announced. If the initial cap projection was the real one, I doubt this is a conversation. Sh*t happens. Don't think anyone thought the revenues were going to drop thaaat much. But such is life. It was a tough decision that had to be made.

I wouldn't say it was the best trade.  The player they got back is on trial for felony aggravated assault in a month.  Seems like the uncertainty surrounding his situation should detract from his value. 

Link
https://www.si.com/nba/2017/07/07/avery-bradley-marcus-morris-trade-celtics-pistons-criminal-trial-markieff-morris-suspension

[PAOBoston]

Well, this didn't really become an issue until several weeks ago when the lower cap number was announced. If the initial cap projection was the real one, I doubt this is a conversation. Sh*t happens. Don't think anyone thought the revenues were going to drop thaaat much. But such is life. It was a tough decision that had to be made.

I wouldn't say it was the best trade.  The player they got back is on trial for felony aggravated assault in a month.  Seems like the uncertainty surrounding his situation should detract from his value.

Well, the reality is we don't know if that was the best trade or not. Bradley, while a good player, didn't really have that much value considering his situation as a impending FA and looming pay day. I'm sure Ainge tried to find a better deal but considering the situation the C's were in , it is what it is. Bradley was gone one way or another.

As for Morris, he might not be a choir boy but apparently he is one of those guys that is loved in the locker room by his teammates and not a bad teammate. Not saying what he did was right or wrong. Just saying he isn't a locker room malcontent (like a Rondo or Cousins for example).

[Boris Badenov]

In a world where a one year Paul George rental gets back two marginal NBA players, getting one decent player on a good contract for a similar Avery Bradley rental is nothing to sneeze at.

[rondofan1255]

The best part about the trade is the C's actually acquired a useful player instead of another pick (likely would have been a late 1st anyways).

[IDreamCeltics]

In a world where a one year Paul George rental gets back two marginal NBA players, getting one decent player on a good contract for a similar Avery Bradley rental is nothing to sneeze at.

Oladipo's not a marginal player.  He's like a younger, better version of Avery Bradley.  Check the stats, then check the advanced stats. 

[billysan]

Even if Morris  gets suspended or does jail time, I promise we have insurance to cover his salary. He will then not count against the cap I bet. If this guy turns out to be a good fit, these complaints from Bradley loyalists will disappear  pretty quickly.

I wonder if the jazz tried to strong arm Danny  on the rumored sign and trade of Crowder for Hayward?  Or maybe just bitterness got in the way? Seems like they would have wanted something in return. Or could that sign and trade still happen? Hayward hadn't signed yet so I guess it's possible. That would rattle a few cages I bet.

I look at this as a trade of Bradley and a 2nd rounder for Morris and Hayward.  Glass half full.

[Surferdad]

Danny did have leverage.  He had to make exactly one deal.  He was working with Utah on a deal for Crowder.  He was working with NY on a deal for Smart.

Utah knew he HAD TO make a deal. And quickly. That's why they offered nothing to get Crowder's contract. And so the Knicks for Smart or the LA teams for Bradley.

So no, Danny did NOT have any kind of leverage. In fact, the trade we made was a pretty good one given the urgency of the situation to make room for Hayward.

Um, incorrect, see multiple posts before and after yours.

Nobody is correct when we are expressing opinions. This is not maths    And yes, I know where you are going, I suppose related to dates.

I, as many of other people around these forums, believe we had no leverage. And that's as right as your thinking the other way.

I might be able to agree with you if only your opinion wasn't based on false assumptions and a lack of research.  There were multiple reports that the C's shopped all 3 guys and multiple reports of interest in Smart and Crowder.  You can have an opinion that there was zero leverage, but it very difficult to prove.  My "opinion" that there was some leverage is easy to back up.

I won't try to convince anyone or "win" the debate, as it is your case. That stage in my life passed years ago.

But facts are facts. And we had to include a 2nd round pick even to make this deal. So...let everyone draw their own conclusions.

Likewise, I am not stubbornly sticking to an opinion that is not supported by the evidence and is easily disproven, as in your case.  That stage of my life passed years ago. 

By the way, that 2nd round pick is very likely to be in the 50-60 range, meaning a player who likely won't even stick in the NBA.  Oh, how could Ainge give up such a valuable trade chip???

[chambers]

Worst case scenario, we should have traded one of Smart-AB on draft night (by then we knew that the cap projection had been reduced to $99 million). I bet we would have gotten a better return than Morris.

Hindsight is 20/20.   I wonder if you are as good as Ainge is at your job.   I would wager your not.  He is considered one of the best in his field.
 
I think the jury is still out, until we see what he does and how Morris plays.   I would rather get something in return rather see AB walk for nothing.

When did this become Crybabyblog.com?   I thought this was Celticsblog?

LOL TP

[Onslaught]

I’m shocked at the amount of crying going on. Danny has done a GREAT job turning this team around and people still try to find things to get mad about. I'm starting to think we could win 5 championships in a row and people here would still call for Danny's head.

[C3LTSF4N]

I’m shocked at the amount of crying going on. Danny has done a GREAT job turning this team around and people still try to find things to get mad about. I'm starting to think we could win 5 championships in a row and people here would still call for Danny's head.

They just have no clue what's going on and don't know how to look past the surface.  Just gotta listen to em unfortunately.

[Jvalin]

Hindsight is 20/20.   

We already knew that one of Bradley-Smart-IT had to be traded cause we couldn't just resign all 3 of them. What's the point in delaying the inevitable? Worst case scenario, Danny should have pulled the trigger on draft night. Common sense says the more you postpone the decision the less valuable the return becomes.



@ Darío SpanishFan, Moranis

Saric was just an example. I bet there would have been plenty of teams willing to trade for AB at the deadline. My point is that if Danny had planned ahead, we would have gotten a far better return than Morris.

This isn't even true, though. We didn't know we'd have to move one of these guys until the cap figure came in. Ainge has only known he'd have to trade one of Bradley/Crowder/Smart for a short amount of time.

Not true. The draft was held on June 22. Reports about the cap being reduced to 99 million came out on June 21. Not to mention, it's highly likely Danny had access to this information way before it became public.

https://twitter.com/byjayking/status/877728710073368576

Anyway, my point is we would eventually trade one of Bradley-Smart-IT regardless of Hayward's decision. What's the point in delaying the inevitable?

[Boris Badenov]

In a world where a one year Paul George rental gets back two marginal NBA players, getting one decent player on a good contract for a similar Avery Bradley rental is nothing to sneeze at.

Oladipo's not a marginal player.  He's like a younger, better version of Avery Bradley.  Check the stats, then check the advanced stats.

I was exaggerating a bit with Oladipo. But the point holds. You have an All-NBA talent being traded for pennies on the dollar. And it happened with Butler and Cousins too.

Through that lens our return for Bradley looks average or better, I would say.

[saltlover]

Hindsight is 20/20.   

We already knew that one of Bradley-Smart-IT had to be traded cause we couldn't just resign all 3 of them. What's the point in delaying the inevitable? Worst case scenario, Danny should have pulled the trigger on draft night. Common sense says the more you postpone the decision the less valuable the return becomes.



@ Darío SpanishFan, Moranis

Saric was just an example. I bet there would have been plenty of teams willing to trade for AB at the deadline. My point is that if Danny had planned ahead, we would have gotten a far better return than Morris.

This isn't even true, though. We didn't know we'd have to move one of these guys until the cap figure came in. Ainge has only known he'd have to trade one of Bradley/Crowder/Smart for a short amount of time.

Not true. The draft was held on June 22. Reports about the cap being reduced to 99 million came out on June 21. Not to mention, it's highly likely Danny had access to this information way before it became public.

https://twitter.com/byjayking/status/877728710073368576

Anyway, my point is we would eventually trade one of Bradley-Smart-IT regardless of Hayward's decision. What's the point in delaying the inevitable?

He didn't have much more time, at any rate.  The principal reason that the cap figure dropped from $101 million to $99 million was due to the lopsided playoff series, which cut revenues.  That occurred in May and June.  By that time, there was little else he could do.

Besides, arguing that a better trade was available on draft night presumes knowledge of trade offers.  If you want to believe Bradley was going to get pick #7 from Minny, I can't stop you, but that seems and seemed pretty unlikely to me.  As did a Saric trade that people on this board wanted.