Avery Bradley is being traded to the Pistons

[Scintan]

Terrible trade

That doesn't mean it won't work out, but it's still a terrible trade.

If it works out will it still be a terrible trade?

Yes

As I said during the trade of the #1 pick, sometimes you lose a trade and still win in the long run.  That's what Ainge is hoping for here.

[Kuberski33]

I told you we had little leverage until we badly traded one of our three "expendable" players. And people was thinking the other way. Time was running out and Hayward has already given up some money to sign here. After all, it's not a bad trade given we obtain a starting-caliber PF.

I hate seeing Bradley go, my favourite Celtic last years 

Woj said two other teams were interested in Bradley. If that's the best deal it could get it's just sad. Might have been better off just waiving him.

Or just keep him this year and let us have a great year and let him go into free agency.

That was my hope.

Why do we dump our best defender just to get a bit of cash to sign GH?.  Figure out another way to do it DA.  I hope there is another shoe to fall.  Shipping off our best defender for someone like Morris is such a net loss for the team.

there weren't enough minutes to keep smart Bradley and crowder. 1 had to go and AB was as good as gone after this year.

No, there aren't enough minutes for Hayward, Tatum and Crowder ... and Ainge just "solved" this issue by adding Morris to this same mix. Brilliant move...

Morris is more of a 4 while Crowder should only see spot minutes there, Tatum's big enough but almost certainly not ready, and Hayward won't be there much either.

Think of Morris more as a replacement for Olynyk than an additional SF.

Real good point. I think the idea is to replace KO through a combination of Morris and Tatum (low post game).   Not that KO was a great low post presence - not even close - but Tatum probably gives you equal ability in that aspect of his game.

Nah, this is rubbish. Olynyk was a big who could sometimes play center in given lineups. Morris is a guy who played a SF or was paired with John Henson. Since Henson and Morris are virtually the same player on paper, it's hard to tell who guarded the bigger forwards unless you actually followed the Detroit Pistons (I didn't). This is  clearly adding another rotation player whose best position is probably SF and who does nothing to address the #1 deficiency you had last season (REBOUNDING!). Oh, and you just traded away your second best rebounder in the process. Subtraction by subtraction?

I'm talking strictly in terms of offense. As constituted this is probably the worst rebounding team in the league but I'm sure they'll try to address that next.

[kozlodoev]

I am going to be hot about this trade for a while.  So to summarize, we get GH which is a big plus, then we trade AB for some below average marginal 3/4 player that isn't a good rebounder because he has a good contract - this is a big loss  We lose what I think is the best def player on the team (others say Smart no problem with that) for a guy who might be in jail soon.

So you would rather lose him for nothing next year?   

Gives us room to sign Hayward, No?    Don't we have a mid level exception, too?   DA should be offering that 8 million or so to Dedmon or Green ASAP.  I mean Jymichel Not Jeff.

I'd rather have him this year, instead of giving up a second rounder for the luxury of having Marcus Bleeping Morris for an extra year.

[kozlodoev]

I told you we had little leverage until we badly traded one of our three "expendable" players. And people was thinking the other way. Time was running out and Hayward has already given up some money to sign here. After all, it's not a bad trade given we obtain a starting-caliber PF.

I hate seeing Bradley go, my favourite Celtic last years 

Woj said two other teams were interested in Bradley. If that's the best deal it could get it's just sad. Might have been better off just waiving him.

Or just keep him this year and let us have a great year and let him go into free agency.

That was my hope.

Why do we dump our best defender just to get a bit of cash to sign GH?.  Figure out another way to do it DA.  I hope there is another shoe to fall.  Shipping off our best defender for someone like Morris is such a net loss for the team.

there weren't enough minutes to keep smart Bradley and crowder. 1 had to go and AB was as good as gone after this year.

No, there aren't enough minutes for Hayward, Tatum and Crowder ... and Ainge just "solved" this issue by adding Morris to this same mix. Brilliant move...

Morris is more of a 4 while Crowder should only see spot minutes there, Tatum's big enough but almost certainly not ready, and Hayward won't be there much either.

Think of Morris more as a replacement for Olynyk than an additional SF.

Real good point. I think the idea is to replace KO through a combination of Morris and Tatum (low post game).   Not that KO was a great low post presence - not even close - but Tatum probably gives you equal ability in that aspect of his game.

Nah, this is rubbish. Olynyk was a big who could sometimes play center in given lineups. Morris is a guy who played a SF or was paired with John Henson. Since Henson and Morris are virtually the same player on paper, it's hard to tell who guarded the bigger forwards unless you actually followed the Detroit Pistons (I didn't). This is  clearly adding another rotation player whose best position is probably SF and who does nothing to address the #1 deficiency you had last season (REBOUNDING!). Oh, and you just traded away your second best rebounder in the process. Subtraction by subtraction?

I'm talking strictly in terms of offense. As constituted this is probably the worst rebounding team in the league but I'm sure they'll try to address that next.

I don't give a rat's arse about offense. Offense can generally be made to work. In the NBA, who you are is who you guard.

[JSD]

The trade makes sense. Bradley was gone after this season anyway I guess. Longest tenured Celtic, last player from the Big 3 era. Kind of sad

[blink]

I am going to be hot about this trade for a while.  So to summarize, we get GH which is a big plus, then we trade AB for some below average marginal 3/4 player that isn't a good rebounder because he has a good contract - this is a big loss  We lose what I think is the best def player on the team (others say Smart no problem with that) for a guy who might be in jail soon.

So you would rather lose him for nothing next year?   

Gives us room to sign Hayward, No?    Don't we have a mid level exception, too?   DA should be offering that 8 million or so to Dedmon or Green ASAP.  I mean Jymichel Not Jeff.

I would rather he stay this year and keep our very effective back court together.  I would also rather have him stay this year and lose him for nothing if that comes down to it.  But there are a lot of moving parts.  IT is injured, now everyone is saying that it will be fine, but wouldn't we rather start the season with at least one starting guard that is healthy?  Maybe IT's best season ever was last season and has a bad year.  Keeping AB keeps more options open and makes us a lot better this year.

Morris is an average player at best.  He is going to court before the season starts, he may not even be with the team.  With the addition of GH and the loss of bradley it makes us about the same as last year.  Getting Morris and losing KO are a push.

[Roy H.]

Terrible trade

That doesn't mean it won't work out, but it's still a terrible trade.

If it works out will it still be a terrible trade?

Yes

As I said during the trade of the #1 pick, sometimes you lose a trade and still win in the long run.  That's what Ainge is hoping for here.

In a vacuum, you're probably right. AB is a more valuable player.

But, two years of Morris at PF is fair value for one year of AB at SG.

[Vermont Green]

This trade absolutely kills two birds with one stone.  We save $3,800,000 (depending on if other players are coming back from Detroit) and we get a starting caliber (barely) PF that we desperately need.  This probably saves us having to give Rozier away to Utah.

I love Avery but this is simply the collateral damage of signing Hayward and to some extent from having a second max contract tied up with Horford.

This is a positive step to completing the roster but assuming Morris and Horford start at PF/C, we still have Zizic as our backup PF and Mickey as our backup C.

I see the starters as Thomas, Hayward, Crowder, Morris, Horford with Smart, Brown, Tatum, Zizic, and for now Mickey as the positional backups.  Rozier may beat out Brown or Tatum in the rotation, at least to start.

[nickagneta]

I am going to be hot about this trade for a while.  So to summarize, we get GH which is a big plus, then we trade AB for some below average marginal 3/4 player that isn't a good rebounder because he has a good contract - this is a big loss  We lose what I think is the best def player on the team (others say Smart no problem with that) for a guy who might be in jail soon.

So you would rather lose him for nothing next year?   

Gives us room to sign Hayward, No?    Don't we have a mid level exception, too?   DA should be offering that 8 million or so to Dedmon or Green ASAP.  I mean Jymichel Not Jeff.

We don't have the MLE since we used cap space to sign a player. All we have is a $4.3 million room exception.

[BitterJim]

I am going to be hot about this trade for a while.  So to summarize, we get GH which is a big plus, then we trade AB for some below average marginal 3/4 player that isn't a good rebounder because he has a good contract - this is a big loss  We lose what I think is the best def player on the team (others say Smart no problem with that) for a guy who might be in jail soon.

So you would rather lose him for nothing next year?   

Gives us room to sign Hayward, No?    Don't we have a mid level exception, too?   DA should be offering that 8 million or so to Dedmon or Green ASAP.  I mean Jymichel Not Jeff.

I'd rather have him this year, instead of giving up a second rounder for the luxury of having Marcus Bleeping Morris for an extra year.

Just keeping Bradley wasn't an option.  We had to get rid one player out of of Bradley, Smart, or Crowder (or Hayward, but that really isn't an option.  Getting rid of Tatum, too, but Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. that).  So it's not AB vs. Morris.  Obviously everyone takes AB in that situation.  It's:

1 year of AB vs. 2 years of Morris PLUS 1 year of Smart (with RFA rights) or 3 years of Crowder PLUS whatever you could have gotten in return for Smart or Crowder. 

Clearly Ainge felt that this was the best deal on the table. Without knowing all the facts (particularly what was on the table for Smart or Crowder), it's hard to say whether it was a good deal or not, but framing it as Danny thinking 2 years of Morris was better than a year of Bradley is just inaccurate.

[Scintan]

Terrible trade

That doesn't mean it won't work out, but it's still a terrible trade.

If it works out will it still be a terrible trade?

Yes

As I said during the trade of the #1 pick, sometimes you lose a trade and still win in the long run.  That's what Ainge is hoping for here.

In a vacuum, you're probably right. AB is a more valuable player.

But, two years of Morris at PF is fair value for one year of AB at SG.

I disagree.  This team had a grand total of one fully rounded player who was a plus defender.  That number is now down to zero.  Getting a superfluous player, who's an absolute mediocrity, and giving up a pick for the privilege, does not come close to evening out the deal.

[Ilikesports17]

Terrible trade

That doesn't mean it won't work out, but it's still a terrible trade.

If it works out will it still be a terrible trade?

Yes

As I said during the trade of the #1 pick, sometimes you lose a trade and still win in the long run.  That's what Ainge is hoping for here.

In a vacuum, you're probably right. AB is a more valuable player.

But, two years of Morris at PF is fair value for one year of AB at SG.

I disagree.  This team had a grand total of one fully rounded player who was a plus defender.  That number is now down to zero.  Getting a superfluous player, who's an absolute mediocrity, and giving up a pick for the privilege, does not come close to evening out the deal.

Ideally Smart and Brown can become 2-way players and while Jae declined a lot defensively last year id still say he's a positive both ways.

[Sophomore]

- Morris has always been a poor defensive rebounder for his size. He was better before Detroit though. BTW, KO is a better defensive rebounder.

Also, don't forget that Bradley was the team's second-leading rebounder last season. We're going to be even worse on the glass this season as it stands right now.

As you say, that's true "as it stands right now". The biggest blow is losing Amir and having no real 4 anywhere on our team. God help us if MM starts. And KO, while physically uninspiring, did hoover up more rebounds than anybody I see on the second unit now. Maybe Tatum or Thies will be good; Tatum has grabbed a lot of boards in SL and looks to have the motor for it.

I don't worry too much about losing AB's rebounding. If Gordon and JB are playing the 2 and the 3, that should be an improvement on rebounding from those positions, or at worst treading water. JB, when he puts his mind to it, is a better rebounder than AB.

It's all about whether we're going to have another big helping Al (not a great rebounder) collected those boards.

[Tr1boy]

Ab must be p---ed

[kozlodoev]

Smart ... can become 2-way player

It's not happening. You must have listened to too many tall tales about his "new and more compact" shot form.