Avery Bradley is being traded to the Pistons

[Fan from VT]

Terrible trade

That doesn't mean it won't work out, but it's still a terrible trade.

If it works out will it still be a terrible trade?

Yes

As I said during the trade of the #1 pick, sometimes you lose a trade and still win in the long run.  That's what Ainge is hoping for here.

In a vacuum, you're probably right. AB is a more valuable player.

But, two years of Morris at PF is fair value for one year of AB at SG.

Avery will be missed. But, this is a consequence of years of taking the "Best Player" and ignoring position. There are simply more "good" guards than "good" bigs. Years of taking "good players" over possible bigs left us with Bradley, Smart, IT, Brown, Rozier, Jackson, etc. For less than half of what KO makes we get a guy with flaws but have him locked up for 2 years and can legit defend the 4 position.

Getting Hayward and keeping KO were always incompatible.

[kozlodoev]

I don't worry too much about losing AB's rebounding. If Gordon and JB are playing the 2 and the 3, that should be an improvement on rebounding from those positions, or at worst treading water. JB, when he puts his mind to it, is a better rebounder than AB.

Bradley, as a SG, averaged more rebounds than Hayward as a SF last season. This is a definitive loss.

[Forza Juventus]

Sad to see Avery Bradley go. I like Morris but Bradley is a better player. I understand why we did this. We need cap space for Hayward, Bradley will get a huge contract in a year, Morris has an extra year on a great contract, we need another swing/big etc. But it's tough to accept.

[kozlodoev]

.For less than half of what KO makes we get a guy with flaws but have him locked up for 2 years and can legit defend the 4 position. .

"Locked up for two years", eh? What we did was trade Bradley for a player who only has one more year on his contract, and -- in both relative and absolute terms -- is vastly inferior. We traded one of the better NBA guards for a decidedly middling "forward" who doesn't really have a position. The whole "legit defend the 4 position" is largely hogwash.

[Ilikesports17]

I don't worry too much about losing AB's rebounding. If Gordon and JB are playing the 2 and the 3, that should be an improvement on rebounding from those positions, or at worst treading water. JB, when he puts his mind to it, is a better rebounder than AB.

Bradley, as a SG, averaged more rebounds than Hayward as a SF last season. This is a definitive loss.

Yeah but how much was that Hayward being on a team with actual bigs that played the slowest pace in the NBA while Bradley played with trash bigs and once we got to the crunch time and people started caring about rebounds, the rebounding edge disappears

In the playoffs Bradley grabbed 3.9 rebounds a game to Haywards 6.1

Their dreb % over the last three years:

Bradley:16.2, 7.3, 8.9
Hayward: 15.4, 13.5, 14.0

Plenty of reasons to Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. about the trade. Rebounding isn't one of them.

[Scintan]

Terrible trade

That doesn't mean it won't work out, but it's still a terrible trade.

If it works out will it still be a terrible trade?

Yes

As I said during the trade of the #1 pick, sometimes you lose a trade and still win in the long run.  That's what Ainge is hoping for here.

In a vacuum, you're probably right. AB is a more valuable player.

But, two years of Morris at PF is fair value for one year of AB at SG.

I disagree.  This team had a grand total of one fully rounded player who was a plus defender.  That number is now down to zero.  Getting a superfluous player, who's an absolute mediocrity, and giving up a pick for the privilege, does not come close to evening out the deal.

Ideally Smart and Brown can become 2-way players and while Jae declined a lot defensively last year id still say he's a positive both ways.

• Brown can't dribble or pass
  Smart can't shoot
  Bradley was the team's best defensive player

Good luck.

As for me, I'm just going to hope that improvement elsewhere is enough to make up for the huge hole that just opened up on the team, because what this team has done is gone from having a 3 man squad with inconsistent offense (Thomas/Horford/Bradley) to .....  having a 3 man squad with poorer defense (Thomas/Horford/Hayward), and it's at least arguable that they've actually taken a step back in that area. 

[Tr1boy]

Celtics distributing talent around the east

Not ideal

[Ilikesports17]

Terrible trade

That doesn't mean it won't work out, but it's still a terrible trade.

If it works out will it still be a terrible trade?

Yes

As I said during the trade of the #1 pick, sometimes you lose a trade and still win in the long run.  That's what Ainge is hoping for here.

In a vacuum, you're probably right. AB is a more valuable player.

But, two years of Morris at PF is fair value for one year of AB at SG.

I disagree.  This team had a grand total of one fully rounded player who was a plus defender.  That number is now down to zero.  Getting a superfluous player, who's an absolute mediocrity, and giving up a pick for the privilege, does not come close to evening out the deal.

Ideally Smart and Brown can become 2-way players and while Jae declined a lot defensively last year id still say he's a positive both ways.

• Brown can't dribble or pass
  Smart can't shoot
  Bradley was the team's best defensive player

Good luck.

As for me, I'm just going to hope that improvement elsewhere is enough to make up for the huge hole that just opened up on the team, because what this team has done is gone from having a 3 man squad with inconsistent offense (Thomas/Horford/Bradley) to .....  having a 3 man squad with poorer defense (Thomas/Horford/Hayward), and it's at least arguable that they've actually taken a step back in that area.

Bradley also can't dribble or pass.

Frankly wasn't a good team defender and was fragile.

Really good player and we take a hit defensively but Bradley was no superstar.

[CelticSince83]

I think I like trust the process more than trust the assets. 

[jade88]

My current mood.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVrdXUHvsF0

'' I see Steph Curry and he's ready to attack, no defense anymore, our numbers are in the black.

[loqo]

ainge should have traded IT while he still have value, IT is a good player but he cannot be the best player on the championship team, he will be even more exposed this year without bradley who covered him in defense

[CelticSince83]

ainge should have traded IT while he still have value, IT is a good player but he cannot be the best player on the championship team, he will be even more exposed this year without bradley who covered him in defense

Ya unfortunately we have had no opportunity to draft a long term solution at point guard.

[RJ87]

I don't worry too much about losing AB's rebounding. If Gordon and JB are playing the 2 and the 3, that should be an improvement on rebounding from those positions, or at worst treading water. JB, when he puts his mind to it, is a better rebounder than AB.

Bradley, as a SG, averaged more rebounds than Hayward as a SF last season. This is a definitive loss.

That's skewing for convenience, no? Gordon played next to an elite rebounding big in Gobert. Avery had no such luxury, rebounding was there for the taking last season on the C's.

FWIW: In the playoffs last season, Gordon averaged 6.1 rebounds to Avery's 3.9.

[blink]

ainge should have traded IT while he still have value, IT is a good player but he cannot be the best player on the championship team, he will be even more exposed this year without bradley who covered him in defense

Ya unfortunately we have had no opportunity to draft a long term solution at point guard.

haha...yeah how could we ever have drafted a PG for the future?  wait we traded him to stock up on more wingy/swingys.  (not that I don't like Tatum I do but with the GH signing, Brown developing I thought we should have kept Fultz too at the time)

[BitterJim]

ainge should have traded IT while he still have value,

Oh, does he have no value right now? Maybe you're right; who would want an All NBA player on a $6 million contract?

IT is a good player

He was All NBA last season. "Good" is an understatement.

but he cannot be the best player on the championship team,

[citation needed]

he will be even more exposed this year without bradley who covered him in defense

[citation needed]