Jazz open to sign & trade for Hayward

[Yoki_IsTheName]

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C's depth at the 4 goes to virtually zero if Crowder goes.   

Wrong both Tatum and Gordon can play the four.   None of them are ideal but neither is Crowder.   Do you think he is a solid four, because you ought to become a writer if you are posting this because it is some great fiction.

Tatum is a 210 rookie.   Maybe if the other team is tiny.   Gordon can play some 4.   For 48min?   Nah.    Great post buddy.

Ojeleye is a 4. Daniel Theiss is also a 4, right? Probably not the onea we would have wanted, but that's a couple of dudes.

As far as Free Agents? D-Mo is a name I mentioned. He could be a good stop gap. Marresse Speights maybe? Resign Jerebko?

[Granath]

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C's depth at the 4 goes to virtually zero if Crowder goes.   

Wrong both Tatum and Gordon can play the four.   None of them are ideal but neither is Crowder.   Do you think he is a solid four, because you ought to become a writer if you are posting this because it is some great fiction.

Tatum is a 210 rookie.   Maybe if the other team is tiny.   Gordon can play some 4.   For 48min?   Nah.    Great post buddy.

Yet you entirely missed the point. Crowder isn't a 4 either at 6"6" and no lift. So we're not losing anything by swapping out Crowder because he isn't a PF for 48 minutes either.

[loco_91]

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C's depth at the 4 goes to virtually zero if Crowder goes.   

Wrong both Tatum and Gordon can play the four.   None of them are ideal but neither is Crowder.   Do you think he is a solid four, because you ought to become a writer if you are posting this because it is some great fiction.

Stevens seems to disagree with you; Crowder was our 4 in the 4th quarter of every close game last year.

[Th3M2n]

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C's depth at the 4 goes to virtually zero if Crowder goes.   

Wrong both Tatum and Gordon can play the four.   None of them are ideal but neither is Crowder.   Do you think he is a solid four, because you ought to become a writer if you are posting this because it is some great fiction.

Tatum is a 210 rookie.   Maybe if the other team is tiny.   Gordon can play some 4.   For 48min?   Nah.    Great post buddy.

But you think Crowder can play the 4 more than in a "small ball" lineup, where he will still get dominated by any actual 4?  What have you been smoking on?

[inverselock]

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C's depth at the 4 goes to virtually zero if Crowder goes.   

Wrong both Tatum and Gordon can play the four.   None of them are ideal but neither is Crowder.   Do you think he is a solid four, because you ought to become a writer if you are posting this because it is some great fiction.

Tatum is a 210 rookie.   Maybe if the other team is tiny.   Gordon can play some 4.   For 48min?   Nah.    Great post buddy.

But you think Crowder can play the 4 more than in a "small ball" lineup, where he will still get dominated by any actual 4?  What have you been smoking on?

The only thing I claim is, he's the best we have at the moment, considering the difficulty in obtaining someone better.   What have you been smoking buddy?

[loco_91]

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C's depth at the 4 goes to virtually zero if Crowder goes.   

Wrong both Tatum and Gordon can play the four.   None of them are ideal but neither is Crowder.   Do you think he is a solid four, because you ought to become a writer if you are posting this because it is some great fiction.

Tatum is a 210 rookie.   Maybe if the other team is tiny.   Gordon can play some 4.   For 48min?   Nah.    Great post buddy.

But you think Crowder can play the 4 more than in a "small ball" lineup, where he will still get dominated by any actual 4?  What have you been smoking on?

It's 2017 and small ball is the name of the game, buddy. What NBA team starts two post-up back-down dinosaurs these days? Crowder is great at the 4.

[mctyson]

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C's depth at the 4 goes to virtually zero if Crowder goes.   

Wrong both Tatum and Gordon can play the four.   None of them are ideal but neither is Crowder.   Do you think he is a solid four, because you ought to become a writer if you are posting this because it is some great fiction.

Tatum is a 210 rookie.   Maybe if the other team is tiny.   Gordon can play some 4.   For 48min?   Nah.    Great post buddy.

Ojeleye is a 4. Daniel Theiss is also a 4, right? Probably not the onea we would have wanted, but that's a couple of dudes.

As far as Free Agents? D-Mo is a name I mentioned. He could be a good stop gap. Marresse Speights maybe? Resign Jerebko?

Like I mentioned in another thread, the Celtics will have exceptions to use on these types of players to round out the roster.  We could easily see Jerebko back, for example.

There are still a lot of moves to be made.

[Cman]

https://mobile.twitter.com/AdamMKaufman/status/883057680411222016

terry gone?

Rozier isn't a core player. Would rather see him gone than Crowder. Terry had some good playoff games and could be trade bait.

Even if we don't trade AB or Smart, we won't be able to keep all of Smart, AB, IT. All three are due big pay raises. Not all will be here this time next summer. Keeping Rozier on the roster now gives us a fallback option if we trade or lose one of those guys.

[Th3M2n]

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C's depth at the 4 goes to virtually zero if Crowder goes.   

Wrong both Tatum and Gordon can play the four.   None of them are ideal but neither is Crowder.   Do you think he is a solid four, because you ought to become a writer if you are posting this because it is some great fiction.

Tatum is a 210 rookie.   Maybe if the other team is tiny.   Gordon can play some 4.   For 48min?   Nah.    Great post buddy.

But you think Crowder can play the 4 more than in a "small ball" lineup, where he will still get dominated by any actual 4?  What have you been smoking on?

It's 2017 and small ball is the name of the game, buddy. What NBA team starts two post-up back-down dinosaurs these days? Crowder is great at the 4.

Crowder is "ok" at the small ball 4.  And we just picked up multiple dudes taller and longer than him that can swap from 4 to the 2.  Exactly what does Crowder bring that more talented guys can't handle???  And don't give me "heart" BS.

[Celtics4ever]

Tatum is a 210 rookie.   Maybe if the other team is tiny.   Gordon can play some 4.   For 48min?   Nah.    Great post buddy.

Neither can Crowder.  But your wrong in this assertion that Crowder can play more 4 than Gordon.

Gordon is taller  than Crowder, he is more athletic, I would bet Jae is stronger but Gordon seems to have made strides in that regard.

6-8 and 226 lbs

 vs.   

6-6 maybe and 235lbs.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jae-Crowder-10084/

with shoes


Crowder played 13% of the regular season and in the playoffs he played 8% of his time playing PF last year.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/crowdja01.html

Hayward played 30% of the regular season and in the playoffs he played 64% at PF last year.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/haywago01.html

These are stats see play by play on basketball reference.   So buddy, looks like you need to do your homework.

[inverselock]

Tatum is a 210 rookie.   Maybe if the other team is tiny.   Gordon can play some 4.   For 48min?   Nah.    Great post buddy.

Neither can Crowder.  But your wrong in this assertion that Crowder can play more 4 than Gordon.

Gordon is taller  than Crowder, he is more athletic, I would bet Jae is stronger but Gordon seems to have made strides in that regard.

6-8 and 226 lbs

 vs.   

6-6 maybe and 235lbs.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jae-Crowder-10084/

with shoes


Crowder played 13% of the regular season and in the playoffs he played 8% of his time playing PF last year.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/crowdja01.html

Hayward played 30% of the regular season and in the playoffs he played 64% at PF last year.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/haywago01.html

These are stats see play by play on basketball reference.   So buddy, looks like you need to do your homework.

Crowder is stronger.   Depends on the matchup.   Would it not be better  to have both?   Need some depth.     Take it easy bro.

[The Oracle]

Tatum is a 210 rookie.   Maybe if the other team is tiny.   Gordon can play some 4.   For 48min?   Nah.    Great post buddy.

Neither can Crowder.  But your wrong in this assertion that Crowder can play more 4 than Gordon.

Gordon is taller  than Crowder, he is more athletic, I would bet Jae is stronger but Gordon seems to have made strides in that regard.

6-8 and 226 lbs

 vs.   

6-6 maybe and 235lbs.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jae-Crowder-10084/

with shoes


Crowder played 13% of the regular season and in the playoffs he played 8% of his time playing PF last year.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/crowdja01.html

Hayward played 30% of the regular season and in the playoffs he played 64% at PF last year.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/haywago01.html

These are stats see play by play on basketball reference.   So buddy, looks like you need to do your homework.

Crowder is stronger.   Depends on the matchup.   Would it not be better  to have both?   Need some depth.     Take it easy bro.

After looking at those player distribution percentages for 2 minutes it is clear that they are way off.  When Brown was on the floor with Crowder they marked Brown as PF and Crowder SF which is wrong, they also mark Brown as SF and Crowder at SG when on the floor together which is also backwords.  They have the Celtics big men all mismarked, they have Amir playing almost no center minutes when that is almost exclusively what he did, they have K.O. playing only 9% of his minutes at PF when in actuality he was PF when on the floor with any of Amir, Zeller, and at least 1/2 of his minutes with Horford. 

Sites like this do not mark these things with an educated eye, it is mostly done according to height and that gives you some very inaccurate information.

[jpotter33]

https://twitter.com/NEPD_Loyko/status/883117427856465920?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Fboston-celtics

So Brad Stevens and Ainge have landed in Boston. Stevens has met up with Hayward. I'd expect we hear bout the corresponding trade soon..

[Tr1boy]

Any benefits to do 2 separate deals

1st trade Crowder to Jazz ...for a future 1st or right to swap at 1st at least

then have the capspace to sign Hayward?

[Roy H.]

Any benefits to do 2 separate deals

1st trade Crowder to Jazz ...for a future 1st or right to swap at 1st at least

then have the capspace to sign Hayward?

Does Utah even have cap space to absorb Crowder until they get Hayward's cap hold off their books?