Ricky Rubio Traded to The Utah Jazz

[tazzmaniac]

Hayward isn't returning to Utah without George Hill.

The Jazz wouldn't have made this move if they didn't think it put them in a better position with Hayward.  They didn't want to go into their meeting with a big ? at PG and doubts about whether they'd be able to retain Ingles. 

[Celtics4ever]

Does this open up cap room for the Jazz to trade for George and resign Hayward?

I think it helps us actually,  Hayward wanted to see what Hill would do.   The trade means the Jazz have moved on.

[hpantazo]

Hayward isn't returning to Utah without George Hill.

The Jazz wouldn't have made this move if they didn't think it put them in a better position with Hayward.  They didn't want to go into their meeting with a big ? at PG and doubts about whether they'd be able to retain Ingles.

Their cap space was expiring tonight. They had to make SOME move or they would lose it. This was the best they could do I guess. It doesn't mean they made the trade because they new it would help to convince Hayward, it means they made the trade because they were losing their cap space in a few hours either way.

[RJ87]

Hayward isn't returning to Utah without George Hill.

The Jazz wouldn't have made this move if they didn't think it put them in a better position with Hayward.  They didn't want to go into their meeting with a big ? at PG and doubts about whether they'd be able to retain Ingles.

*claps*

There's also a pretty solid chance they ran this trade by Hayward and he likes the move.

This deal's been rumored for a little bit now. Don't think anyone was caught off guard.

[SparzWizard]

Hah Hayward wants to be with George...George Hill that is. 

Anyways, I hope it puts us closer to try and persuade Hayward to come to Boston. Still concerned about that thug Pat Riley.

[celticsclay]

Rubio doesn't move any needle.

Celtics obviously have the best team.

Best record of the three, and were 5-0 against them last season.

Rubio isn't keeping him in Utah. If he stays, it's not because of this move. Miami missed the playoffs in a weak East. They aren't become elite with Hayward.

Again, it stabilizes a position of need for the Jazz + Rubio is cost controlled so it puts them in better financial position to bring back Joe Ingles - who Hayward also really wanted resigned and who shares an agent with Hayward.

This is sneaky good move on their part.

Is it really improving their team though? I don't see an avenue for them to add another star, which is kind of what they need unless they are fine staying as a 4-6 seed in the West. (Warriors, Spurs Top-2, and now Houston is stacked, with Minnesota rising as well as gritty teams in OKC, MEMPHIS, and Portland).

They lose shooting with Hill, but Rubio is a better playmaker and just as good defensively, IMO. I actually like a passing point guard for Gobert more than Hill.

They still have youngsters (Hood and Exum) who could make the leap. Isn't that kind of what we're doing too? Plus Gobert is only 25 and very well may have another level he hasn't reached.

On paper, the talent they have is younger and still has untapped potential. On contrary, our biggest proven pieces are Horford, who's 31 and IT, who may need hip surgery.

Wait you mention Hood and Exum but not Brown and Tatum (or the Nets pick). That doesn't make sense.

"They still have youngsters (Hood and Exum) who could make the leap. Isn't that kind of what we're doing too?"

I think Hood and Exum are probably better compared to Smart and Rozier both guys that have had their moments but have been mostly underwelming. We then have Brown and Tatum as extremely raw rookies with high upside. That is another way we crush them (plus the brooklyn pick. They don't have anything that compares to that.

I will reiterate I don't really know how someone is seriously saying Utah is more appealing without Hayward than Boston is without Hayward. We were at worst an even team with them last year when they HAD him. Now you take him away and they are not competitive with us.
IT is several levels better than Rubio (if someone disagrees that is not worth my time to debate because we are never going to agree)
Bradley is better than Joe Ingles
Crowder is better than Joe Johnson at 38 (who can only play 20 mins)
Smart is better than Shelvin Mack or Hood

Their one advantage is Gobert is better than Horford but that doesn't offset everything else...
Really bizarre talking point popping up here.

Taking off my gotten tinted glasses. I feel pretty comfortable saying that none of these players care about future draft picks. These guys want to win NOW and future picks ain't doin' that.  They're complete unknowns. Plus, ya know, once you draft them they have to develop. I have yet to see an FA say "yeah, I signed with them because of their future draft picks". Front offices and online forums are the only ones obsessed with picks.

Yes, IT is better than Rubio. But IT is also a 5'9" guard coming off a hip injury.

Smart isn't better than Hood. He's also a role player with significant holes in his game. That's a push.

Crowder is better in theory than Joe Johnson, but they have about the same consistency at this point. But I know, his contract... #GreatValueJae

Bradley is better than Ingles. As long as he's healthy.

Sorry, but Boston doesn't "crush" Utah as comfortably as you think.

Answer the question this way. Last year with Hayward as their best player and lone all-star the Jazz were about as good as the Celtics.  The Celtics made it a round further, but the Jazz had a tougher draw in the second round series obviously. That being said they were similar throughout the season and in most metrics. How do we not crush them once you take an all-star off their team?

Also Jae Crowder being better than Joe Johnson has nothing to do with contracts. Joe Johnson is literally 36 years old and played 23 minutes a game last season. There is a chance he even retires. If he does not he will not play more than 20 minutes a game next season. Crowder averaged 14 points and 6 rebound a game last year on 46% shooting and 40% from 3. He is also solid defensively. He is a clear level above a 37 year old Johnson and I shouldn't really have to explain this to you if you follow the Celtics or basketball in general.

[Rondo9]

To be honest who else is going to reliably score on the Jazz now that Hill is most likely out?

[Who]

To be honest who else is going to reliably score on the Jazz now that Hill is most likely out?

Rodney Hood will have a big season.

[celticsclay]

To be honest who else is going to reliably score on the Jazz now that Hill is most likely out?

Rodney Hood will have a big season.

Rodney Hood had numerous chances to step up last year when George Hill and others were injured and was able to do so. Not sure why it would be a huge difference this year.

[SHAQATTACK]

On paper, the talent they have is younger and still has untapped potential.

In reality, they were a team relying on 87-year-old Joe Johnson in the playoffs.

Mike

actually is 91 his birthday 

[Ilikesports17]

To jump into the clay v. RJ debate, I've got to agree with clay. We were as good without Hayward as they were with Hayward. Gordon supposedly wants to play with a good point guard and Thomas and Smart blow Rubio Exum out of the water.

The only argument that you can really make in terms of personel is that the Jazz have a player better than anyone on our team in rudy gobert. I actually agree with this. I think Rudy is an absolute stud.

That said, we have a clear advantage in terms of personel. I'm starting to think we will get him and I was not very confident in this a few weeks ago. This move feels like the Ibaka trade for OKC last year to me.

[Ilikesports17]

To be honest who else is going to reliably score on the Jazz now that Hill is most likely out?

Rodney Hood will have a big season.

Rodney Hood had numerous chances to step up last year when George Hill and others were injured and was able to do so. Not sure why it would be a huge difference this year.

I think Hood is pretty overrated. Especially by Boston fans who are pained that we selected James Young over him and Gary harris(who has quietly turned into a really nice player)

[Moranis]

To be honest who else is going to reliably score on the Jazz now that Hill is most likely out?

Rodney Hood will have a big season.

Rodney Hood had numerous chances to step up last year when George Hill and others were injured and was able to do so. Not sure why it would be a huge difference this year.

Hood missed about a third of the season with injuries. By all accounts he is healthy this year.

[jpotter33]

To be honest who else is going to reliably score on the Jazz now that Hill is most likely out?

Yeah, I don't see how this helps the team or Hayward staying at all. Rubio is a pretty big downgrade from Hill due to his lack of shooting and scoring, which is what Utah needed more of.

This was mostly a way to shore up the PG spot with a cheaper option than Hill, which allows them to retain Ingles. Can't imagine that this sits well with Hayward when he was vocal about keeping Hill.

[crownontherocks]

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