Ricky Rubio Traded to The Utah Jazz

[TheSundanceKid]

So now.. Hayward ultimately could have three choices here.

MIA: Dragic & Whiteside + Waiters/Johnson + Spo

Boston: IT & Horford + Smart/Bradley + Brad Stevens + Maybe George?

Utah: Rubio/Gobert + Snyder

From this aspect the Celtics actually look the worse.

I don't get it, how do we look worse?

Isaiah is better than Dragic or Rubio
Horford is better than Whiteside, and imo outplays Gobert in a head to head. He'll KO outplayed Whiteside in head to heads this year! The guy cannot defend stretch bigs.
Stevens is a better coach than spo and Snyder
Waiters has to go to free up cap space in Miami, Johnson most likely too.

[mrceltics2013]

So now.. Hayward ultimately could have three choices here.

MIA: Dragic & Whiteside + Waiters/Johnson + Spo

Boston: IT & Horford + Smart/Bradley + Brad Stevens + Maybe George?

Utah: Rubio/Gobert + Snyder

From this aspect the Celtics actually look the worse.

Uh you got to be pretty insane or trolling if you think Rubio/Gorbert is more appealing than Thomas/Horford/Bradley/Smart/Tatum + maybe george

How can you even explain that?

I'm not neither. George is nothing but a rumor at this point and you would be lying if you don't believe gorbert is a better Center than Horford. Also fooling yourself if you don't believe Rubio is not a better playmaker than IT. Rubio as a great facilitator and Hayward would want the nap put in his hands at the right time.

Removing the green googles I don't think anyone is excited to come play with Horford 😂

[CelticsElite]

So now.. Hayward ultimately could have three choices here.

MIA: Dragic & Whiteside + Waiters/Johnson + Spo

Boston: IT & Horford + Smart/Bradley + Brad Stevens + Maybe George?

Utah: Rubio/Gobert + Snyder

From this aspect the Celtics actually look the worse.

I don't get it, how do we look worse?

Isaiah is better than Dragic or Rubio
Horford is better than Whiteside, and imo outplays Gobert in a head to head. He'll KO outplayed Whiteside in head to heads this year! The guy cannot defend stretch bigs.
Stevens is a better coach than spo and Snyder
Waiters has to go to free up cap space in Miami, Johnson most likely too.

not only that, the heat were the 9 seed and we were the 1 seed.

[GreenEnvy]

Rubio doesn't move any needle.

Celtics obviously have the best team.

Best record of the three, and were 5-0 against them last season.

Rubio isn't keeping him in Utah. If he stays, it's not because of this move. Miami missed the playoffs in a weak East. They aren't become elite with Hayward.

[mrceltics2013]

So now.. Hayward ultimately could have three choices here.

MIA: Dragic & Whiteside + Waiters/Johnson + Spo

Boston: IT & Horford + Smart/Bradley + Brad Stevens + Maybe George?

Utah: Rubio/Gobert + Snyder

From this aspect the Celtics actually look the worse.

I don't get it, how do we look worse?

Isaiah is better than Dragic or Rubio
Horford is better than Whiteside, and imo outplays Gobert in a head to head. He'll KO outplayed Whiteside in head to heads this year! The guy cannot defend stretch bigs.
Stevens is a better coach than spo and Snyder
Waiters has to go to free up cap space in Miami, Johnson most likely too.

Your goggles are too green for me. Gobert was on all defense and all NBA team this year cmon man.

[RJ87]

Rubio doesn't move any needle.

Celtics obviously have the best team.

Best record of the three, and were 5-0 against them last season.

Rubio isn't keeping him in Utah. If he stays, it's not because of this move. Miami missed the playoffs in a weak East. They aren't become elite with Hayward.

Again, it stabilizes a position of need for the Jazz + Rubio is cost controlled so it puts them in better financial position to bring back Joe Ingles - who Hayward also really wanted resigned and who shares an agent with Hayward.

This is a sneaky good move on their part.

[Future Celtics Owner]

So now.. Hayward ultimately could have three choices here.

MIA: Dragic & Whiteside + Waiters/Johnson + Spo

Boston: IT & Horford + Smart/Bradley + Brad Stevens + Maybe George?

Utah: Rubio/Gobert + Snyder

From this aspect the Celtics actually look the worse.

I don't get it, how do we look worse?

Isaiah is better than Dragic or Rubio
Horford is better than Whiteside, and imo outplays Gobert in a head to head. He'll KO outplayed Whiteside in head to heads this year! The guy cannot defend stretch bigs.
Stevens is a better coach than spo and Snyder
Waiters has to go to free up cap space in Miami, Johnson most likely too.

not only that, the heat were the 9 seed and we were the 1 seed.

Our weaknesses are rebounding and defense around the paint. Gobert may not get a ton of points but he hurts in a lot of other ways.

[Phantom255x]

Rubio doesn't move any needle.

Celtics obviously have the best team.

Best record of the three, and were 5-0 against them last season.

Rubio isn't keeping him in Utah. If he stays, it's not because of this move. Miami missed the playoffs in a weak East. They aren't become elite with Hayward.

Again, it stabilizes a position of need for the Jazz + Rubio is cost controlled so it puts them in better financial position to bring back Joe Ingles - who Hayward also really wanted resigned and who shares an agent with Hayward.

This is sneaky good move on their part.

Is it really improving their team though? I don't see an avenue for them to add another star, which is kind of what they need unless they are fine staying as a 4-6 seed in the West. (Warriors, Spurs Top-2, and now Houston is stacked, with Minnesota rising as well as gritty teams in OKC, MEMPHIS, and Portland).

[mrceltics2013]

The other star we would be adding would be him lol. Right now Paul George is just santa clause at this point. Can't use him if we don't have him.

[mrceltics2013]

So now.. Hayward ultimately could have three choices here.

MIA: Dragic & Whiteside + Waiters/Johnson + Spo

Boston: IT & Horford + Smart/Bradley + Brad Stevens + Maybe George?

Utah: Rubio/Gobert + Snyder

From this aspect the Celtics actually look the worse.

I don't get it, how do we look worse?

Isaiah is better than Dragic or Rubio
Horford is better than Whiteside, and imo outplays Gobert in a head to head. He'll KO outplayed Whiteside in head to heads this year! The guy cannot defend stretch bigs.
Stevens is a better coach than spo and Snyder
Waiters has to go to free up cap space in Miami, Johnson most likely too.

not only that, the heat were the 9 seed and we were the 1 seed.

Our weaknesses are rebounding and defense around the paint. Gobert may not get a ton of points but he hurts in a lot of other ways.

I hope scoring isn't what he will bring up next. I'm sure they both averaged around same points.

[celticsclay]

So now.. Hayward ultimately could have three choices here.

MIA: Dragic & Whiteside + Waiters/Johnson + Spo

Boston: IT & Horford + Smart/Bradley + Brad Stevens + Maybe George?

Utah: Rubio/Gobert + Snyder

From this aspect the Celtics actually look the worse.

Uh you got to be pretty insane or trolling if you think Rubio/Gorbert is more appealing than Thomas/Horford/Bradley/Smart/Tatum + maybe george

How can you even explain that?

I'm not neither. George is nothing but a rumor at this point and you would be lying if you don't believe gorbert is a better Center than Horford. Also fooling yourself if you don't believe Rubio is not a better playmaker than IT. Rubio as a great facilitator and Hayward would want the nap put in his hands at the right time.

Removing the green googles I don't think anyone is excited to come play with Horford 😂

You think Rubio is more appealing cause he is a better playmaker than IT, even though Rubio just got dumped for a late first round pick and IT just played in the all-star game for the second year in a row and let us to the ECF? And then you say this is because I have green goggles? Now that is a bizarre take.

[celticsclay]

So now.. Hayward ultimately could have three choices here.

MIA: Dragic & Whiteside + Waiters/Johnson + Spo

Boston: IT & Horford + Smart/Bradley + Brad Stevens + Maybe George?

Utah: Rubio/Gobert + Snyder

From this aspect the Celtics actually look the worse.

I don't get it, how do we look worse?

Isaiah is better than Dragic or Rubio
Horford is better than Whiteside, and imo outplays Gobert in a head to head. He'll KO outplayed Whiteside in head to heads this year! The guy cannot defend stretch bigs.
Stevens is a better coach than spo and Snyder
Waiters has to go to free up cap space in Miami, Johnson most likely too.

Your goggles are too green for me. Gobert was on all defense and all NBA team this year cmon man.

I agree Gorbert is a better player than Horford now and moving froward. However, IT, Smart, Bradley plus the future upside of Tatum and Brown completely crushes what Utah has moving forward with Rubio and Gobert. I'm sorry, it is just not close and you can't really argue your way out of it. It has nothing to do with Green Goggles and neutral observers of the NBA feel the Celtics are a lot closer than the Jazz too...

[RJ87]

Rubio doesn't move any needle.

Celtics obviously have the best team.

Best record of the three, and were 5-0 against them last season.

Rubio isn't keeping him in Utah. If he stays, it's not because of this move. Miami missed the playoffs in a weak East. They aren't become elite with Hayward.

Again, it stabilizes a position of need for the Jazz + Rubio is cost controlled so it puts them in better financial position to bring back Joe Ingles - who Hayward also really wanted resigned and who shares an agent with Hayward.

This is sneaky good move on their part.

Is it really improving their team though? I don't see an avenue for them to add another star, which is kind of what they need unless they are fine staying as a 4-6 seed in the West. (Warriors, Spurs Top-2, and now Houston is stacked, with Minnesota rising as well as gritty teams in OKC, MEMPHIS, and Portland).

They lose shooting with Hill, but Rubio is a better playmaker and just as good defensively, IMO. I actually like a passing point guard for Gobert more than Hill.

They still have youngsters (Hood and Exum) who could make the leap. Isn't that kind of what we're doing too? Plus Gobert is only 25 and very well may have another level he hasn't reached.

On paper, the talent they have is younger and still has untapped potential. On contrary, our biggest proven pieces are Horford, who's 31 and IT, who may need hip surgery.

[MBunge]

People are WAAAAAY overthinking this.

Hayward is seriously thinking of leaving Utah.  If he was perfectly happy there, he'd just take his max extension and wouldn't bother with all this.

That he's apparently only meeting right away with Boston and Miami indicates that he's not unhappy with Utah but is looking for something better.  If he was desperate to leave the Jazz behind he'd want to look at a lot more than two options.

What this ultimately comes down to is how much Hayward and his family want to guarantee that five year max money.  If the money is #1, and I couldn't blame them if it was, he's staying in Utah.  If not, he's probably coming to Boston.  Miami strikes me as a "Well, since we're looking anyway, why not check them out" fallback position.

Utah getting Rubio or resigning Ingles isn't going to matter.

Mike

[celticsclay]

Rubio doesn't move any needle.

Celtics obviously have the best team.

Best record of the three, and were 5-0 against them last season.

Rubio isn't keeping him in Utah. If he stays, it's not because of this move. Miami missed the playoffs in a weak East. They aren't become elite with Hayward.

Again, it stabilizes a position of need for the Jazz + Rubio is cost controlled so it puts them in better financial position to bring back Joe Ingles - who Hayward also really wanted resigned and who shares an agent with Hayward.

This is sneaky good move on their part.

Is it really improving their team though? I don't see an avenue for them to add another star, which is kind of what they need unless they are fine staying as a 4-6 seed in the West. (Warriors, Spurs Top-2, and now Houston is stacked, with Minnesota rising as well as gritty teams in OKC, MEMPHIS, and Portland).

They lose shooting with Hill, but Rubio is a better playmaker and just as good defensively, IMO. I actually like a passing point guard for Gobert more than Hill.

They still have youngsters (Hood and Exum) who could make the leap. Isn't that kind of what we're doing too? Plus Gobert is only 25 and very well may have another level he hasn't reached.

On paper, the talent they have is younger and still has untapped potential. On contrary, our biggest proven pieces are Horford, who's 31 and IT, who may need hip surgery.

Wait you mention Hood and Exum but not Brown and Tatum (or the Nets pick). That doesn't make sense.