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Re: NBA Exec on trade - "Not highway robbery, but it's close"
« Reply #75 on: June 18, 2017, 04:21:23 PM »

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This would suggest that every draft is completely uniform and that the #1 pick in any given year is superior in value to a lesser pick in subsequent years.

No, it wouldn't.

 
This is actually devoid of any logic and a quick history check would prove that notion false. For example, are you 100% certain that Fultz is a better prospect than Doncic, Ayton, or Bradley? Because if he were in next year's draft class I think he would be in the mix with Bamba for 4th pick.

Your argument is what is devoid of logic.  In the years that a Lebron, or Duncan, is available, the cost of a trade would be so high as to be effectively impossible to reach.  However, even in a normal year, the cost is high, and rightly so, given the odds of success at #1 compared to the odds of success at lower spots. 


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Re: NBA Exec on trade - "Not highway robbery, but it's close"
« Reply #76 on: June 18, 2017, 04:27:43 PM »

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Pretty sure we're being robbed.

No one in the right mind should trade the #1 pick for #3, and two protected picks.

Don't even get me started with that Justise Winslow discussion, glad that idiot Jordan declined that offer.

It's not 2 protected picks.  It's just one pick with a clever protection in Year 1 assuring that if conveyed it will be a great pick.  If not conveyed, we bank on an UNPROTECTED 2019 Sac pick -- which is a pretty good bet to be a very good pick.

Re: NBA Exec on trade - "Not highway robbery, but it's close"
« Reply #77 on: June 18, 2017, 04:31:21 PM »

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Pretty sure we're being robbed.

No one in the right mind should trade the #1 pick for #3, and two protected picks.

Don't even get me started with that Justise Winslow discussion, glad that idiot Jordan declined that offer.

It's not 2 protected picks.  It's just one pick with a clever protection in Year 1 assuring that if conveyed it will be a great pick.  If not conveyed, we bank on an UNPROTECTED 2019 Sac pick -- which is a pretty good bet to be a very good pick.

They are saying now the Kings pick will also be protected

Re: NBA Exec on trade - "Not highway robbery, but it's close"
« Reply #78 on: June 18, 2017, 04:35:47 PM »

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Pretty sure we're being robbed.

No one in the right mind should trade the #1 pick for #3, and two protected picks.

Don't even get me started with that Justise Winslow discussion, glad that idiot Jordan declined that offer.

It's not 2 protected picks.  It's just one pick with a clever protection in Year 1 assuring that if conveyed it will be a great pick.  If not conveyed, we bank on an UNPROTECTED 2019 Sac pick -- which is a pretty good bet to be a very good pick.

They are saying now the Kings pick will also be protected

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Re: NBA Exec on trade - "Not highway robbery, but it's close"
« Reply #79 on: June 18, 2017, 04:48:12 PM »

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Pretty sure we're being robbed.

No one in the right mind should trade the #1 pick for #3, and two protected picks.

Don't even get me started with that Justise Winslow discussion, glad that idiot Jordan declined that offer.

It's not 2 protected picks.  It's just one pick with a clever protection in Year 1 assuring that if conveyed it will be a great pick.  If not conveyed, we bank on an UNPROTECTED 2019 Sac pick -- which is a pretty good bet to be a very good pick.

They are saying now the Kings pick will also be protected

If that's true, I am once again readjusting my take on this.  Kings unprotected as a fall back for non-conveyance of the LAL pick is great value.  If protected I like the deal much less.

Re: NBA Exec on trade - "Not highway robbery, but it's close"
« Reply #80 on: June 18, 2017, 04:48:13 PM »

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First of all, any website that gives this trade "grades" before we know the actual parameters is idiotic. Secondly, it's probably based in NY, like most of pro sports media is, and is probably  anti-Boston. I think the media giving grades on anything is pretty ludicrous anyways. What the heck do they know more than any informed fan--much less a GM and his staff?

I keep hearing different parameters on this deal, so I guess we won't know the facts until Monday. For example, what is the "2nd first" they're getting? I've heard several versions.

I don't know if the Celtics will ever use that #3 pick. It could be traded before the draft. We haven't heard much--maybe because it's still too early. The media, of course, can't wait. Fans have a little more patience, but not much more.  :laugh:

If they do use that pick, Ainge must have some trade up his sleeve that doesn't use that pick.
Or maybe he's holding it as a contingency, in case he doesn't get the trade he wants for a Butler or George. If so, it's not hard to see why he might prefer  a forward like Tatum or Jackson. Especially Tatum, in my view, because he has 4 potential and can shoot better than anybody up front they now have. And even block a shot or two.

It's easy to see how guard heavy the Celtics are right now. How difficult a 19yo kid could get any PT in that backcourt--especially a kid that needs a couple years to get his feet on the ground.  It's also easy to see how a shooting 3-4 like Tatum--or a George or Butler--could fit in more easily for all their weaknesses up front.

Highway robbery? I don't even know what they're getting back yet.

Re: NBA Exec on trade - "Not highway robbery, but it's close"
« Reply #81 on: June 18, 2017, 04:54:26 PM »

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SAC pick is  protected? In other words, we're very likely to get essentially nothing extra for this pick except a mid 1st rounder from Philly that will get thrown in the trashbin of some random trade.

LOL trade gets worse by the day. By the time Ainge signs the papers we'll be sending Philly one of our picks.

Re: NBA Exec on trade - "Not highway robbery, but it's close"
« Reply #82 on: June 18, 2017, 04:56:25 PM »

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ESPN Trade Grade

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Boston Celtics: B+

This trade can look like a win-win if the two front offices have different evaluations of this year's draft class. While the Sixers almost certainly saw a big gap between Fultz and their options with the No. 3 pick, the Celtics probably don't view things that way. They're surely looking at the draft like the executive who told ESPN's Jeff Goodman that there's less difference among the top four prospects this year than there has been in a long, long time. ...

Sixers got a B. It's an "Insider" piece.

http://insider.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/19669555/trade-grades-boston-celtics-philadelphia-76ers-draft-picks-swap-nba

Re: NBA Exec on trade - "Not highway robbery, but it's close"
« Reply #83 on: June 18, 2017, 04:58:24 PM »

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Pretty sure we're being robbed.

No one in the right mind should trade the #1 pick for #3, and two protected picks.

Don't even get me started with that Justise Winslow discussion, glad that idiot Jordan declined that offer.

It's not 2 protected picks.  It's just one pick with a clever protection in Year 1 assuring that if conveyed it will be a great pick.  If not conveyed, we bank on an UNPROTECTED 2019 Sac pick -- which is a pretty good bet to be a very good pick.

They are saying now the Kings pick will also be protected

Who is they? Link?
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Re: NBA Exec on trade - "Not highway robbery, but it's close"
« Reply #84 on: June 18, 2017, 04:59:09 PM »

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For all you draftniks claiming SAC pick's protected, please provide a link before going off on a rant.

Re: NBA Exec on trade - "Not highway robbery, but it's close"
« Reply #85 on: June 18, 2017, 04:59:31 PM »

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Pretty sure we're being robbed.

No one in the right mind should trade the #1 pick for #3, and two protected picks.

Don't even get me started with that Justise Winslow discussion, glad that idiot Jordan declined that offer.

It's not 2 protected picks.  It's just one pick with a clever protection in Year 1 assuring that if conveyed it will be a great pick.  If not conveyed, we bank on an UNPROTECTED 2019 Sac pick -- which is a pretty good bet to be a very good pick.

They are saying now the Kings pick will also be protected

Who is they? Link?

https://twitter.com/adamhimmelsbach/status/876526696861757440
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Re: NBA Exec on trade - "Not highway robbery, but it's close"
« Reply #86 on: June 18, 2017, 05:03:44 PM »

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Pretty sure we're being robbed.

No one in the right mind should trade the #1 pick for #3, and two protected picks.

Don't even get me started with that Justise Winslow discussion, glad that idiot Jordan declined that offer.

It's not 2 protected picks.  It's just one pick with a clever protection in Year 1 assuring that if conveyed it will be a great pick.  If not conveyed, we bank on an UNPROTECTED 2019 Sac pick -- which is a pretty good bet to be a very good pick.

They are saying now the Kings pick will also be protected

Who is they? Link?

https://twitter.com/adamhimmelsbach/status/876526696861757440

An obscure "I've been hearing tweet..." Let's wait for the facts, folks.

Re: NBA Exec on trade - "Not highway robbery, but it's close"
« Reply #87 on: June 18, 2017, 05:10:05 PM »

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Pretty sure we're being robbed.

No one in the right mind should trade the #1 pick for #3, and two protected picks.

Don't even get me started with that Justise Winslow discussion, glad that idiot Jordan declined that offer.

The SAC pick is unprotected. The LA pick is top 1 protected. The below 5 business is at the insistence of the Cs obviously. So they either get a 2-5 pick next year, or an unprotected SAC pick in 19.

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« Reply #88 on: June 18, 2017, 05:10:15 PM »

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Pretty sure we're being robbed.

No one in the right mind should trade the #1 pick for #3, and two protected picks.

Don't even get me started with that Justise Winslow discussion, glad that idiot Jordan declined that offer.

It's not 2 protected picks.  It's just one pick with a clever protection in Year 1 assuring that if conveyed it will be a great pick.  If not conveyed, we bank on an UNPROTECTED 2019 Sac pick -- which is a pretty good bet to be a very good pick.

They are saying now the Kings pick will also be protected

Who is they? Link?

https://twitter.com/adamhimmelsbach/status/876526696861757440

An obscure "I've been hearing tweet..." Let's wait for the facts, folks.
Every "I've been hearing" we've heard thusfar has made it worse for the Celts. Unbelievable what Ainge is doing.

Re: NBA Exec on trade - "Not highway robbery, but it's close"
« Reply #89 on: June 18, 2017, 05:21:37 PM »

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Pretty sure we're being robbed.

No one in the right mind should trade the #1 pick for #3, and two protected picks.

Don't even get me started with that Justise Winslow discussion, glad that idiot Jordan declined that offer.

It's not 2 protected picks.  It's just one pick with a clever protection in Year 1 assuring that if conveyed it will be a great pick.  If not conveyed, we bank on an UNPROTECTED 2019 Sac pick -- which is a pretty good bet to be a very good pick.

They are saying now the Kings pick will also be protected

Who is they? Link?

https://twitter.com/adamhimmelsbach/status/876526696861757440

An obscure "I've been hearing tweet..." Let's wait for the facts, folks.
Every "I've been hearing" we've heard thusfar has made it worse for the Celts. Unbelievable what Ainge is doing.

Yeah, every tweet gets progressively worse. By tomorrow, I expect the news to be we're getting a top-55 protected #2.

Hopefully "parameters" means that if we get the SAC pick we have to surrender a second rounder.


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