Boston/Philly deal supposedly agreed upon; to be completed on Monday

[CelticsElite]

I'm warming up to Tatum. He looks VERY Paul Pierce-like. We should have listened to the early reports that the Celtics were very high on Tatum with the #1 pick.

I also prefer tatum to jackson


Danny doesn't like people who know how to shoot though.

[jpotter33]

I'm warming up to Tatum. He looks VERY Paul Pierce-like. We should have listened to the early reports that the Celtics were very high on Tatum with the #1 pick.

Yeah, I think Tatum seems more like the pick at 3 if we actually keep it, which I think is doubtful.

But we haven't even had him in for a workout yet have we?

An eventual Brown/Tatum forward duo would be pretty interesting.

[CelticsElite]

I'm warming up to Tatum. He looks VERY Paul Pierce-like. We should have listened to the early reports that the Celtics were very high on Tatum with the #1 pick.

Yeah, I think Tatum seems more like the pick at 3 if we actually keep it, which I think is doubtful.

But we haven't even had him in for a workout yet have we?

jackson continues to decline to workout for Boston

[Mean Gerald Green]

I'm warming up to Tatum. He looks VERY Paul Pierce-like. We should have listened to the early reports that the Celtics were very high on Tatum with the #1 pick.

Agreed, I'd rather have a Brown-Tatum-Porter-Ayton core than one with Jackson.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

Imagine for a second.... Cs could easily have gotten the 3rd pick on lottery night.  We are better off having won the lottery even if the return on this trade is disappointing.

That's how I'm trying to rationalize this. I would have been fine taking Jackson a month ago, and this is better.

But, the fact is we did get the #1 pick, and this seems like poor value.

It is poor value. I doesn't matter if we are moving only two spots down, we're passing on a supposedly transcendent player for an asset to be used as a trade chip or draft someone who's not Markelle Fultz.

The whole point of moving down is to get value, and what do we get, a protected LA pick or the Sacramento pick? Jesus Christ...

Supposedly is the key word. Ainge and some other GMs think its a 4 player tier 1

Understood, but if we look at scouting reports, Fultz clearly has the least amount of glaring weakness. Jackson has personal and length issues. Lonzo Ball has physicality and personal issues. Tatum has consistency and defense issues.

Fultz's weaknesses are at the most tolerable. Why not just take that player???

Are they? Fultz was never tested in college. He played for a crap team and and half-assed it all the way through, never playing defense. He missed the end of the season with a knee injury, and then reportedly choked on his workouts with the Celtics and Sixers , shooting poorly, when at least a little pressure was on him.

Kyrie Irving was never tested in college either, and his offensive gifts translated in the NBA. His offensive game is polished. He's athletic. He's got the measurables. Fultz could easily be a bigger, more athletic Kyrie.

Washington is a bad team as well. He's not playing with a bad team in the NBA, he's playing with the #1 seed in the East, he has help, and he's going to get his strengths better utilized.
His weaknesses can be fixed. He's 19. If he hasn't faced good competition, he will be in the NBA, and he will learn to adjust. His weaknesses are fixable.

Josh Jackson's length is unfixable.

Jayson Tatum's average athleticism compare to NBA wings can't be fixed.

Lonzo's dad is beyond fixing.

[Ilikesports17]

Imagine for a second.... Cs could easily have gotten the 3rd pick on lottery night.  We are better off having won the lottery even if the return on this trade is disappointing.

That's how I'm trying to rationalize this. I would have been fine taking Jackson a month ago, and this is better.

But, the fact is we did get the #1 pick, and this seems like poor value.

It is poor value. I doesn't matter if we are moving only two spots down, we're passing on a supposedly transcendent player for an asset to be used as a trade chip or draft someone who's not Markelle Fultz.

The whole point of moving down is to get value, and what do we get, a protected LA pick or the Sacramento pick? Jesus Christ...

Supposedly is the key word. Ainge and some other GMs think its a 4 player tier 1

Understood, but if we look at scouting reports, Fultz clearly has the least amount of glaring weakness. Jackson has personal and length issues. Lonzo Ball has physicality and personal issues. Tatum has consistency and defense issues.

Fultz's weaknesses are at the most tolerable. Why not just take that player???

Are they? Fultz was never tested in college. He played for a crap team and and half-assed it all the way through, never playing defense. He missed the end of the season with a knee injury, and then reportedly choked on his workouts with the Celtics and Sixers , shooting poorly, when at least a little pressure was on him.

Kyrie Irving was never tested in college either, and his offensive gifts translated in the NBA. His offensive game is polished. He's athletic. He's got the measurables. Fultz could easily be a bigger, more athletic Kyrie.

Washington is a bad team as well. He's not playing with a bad team in the NBA, he's playing with the #1 seed in the East, he has help, and he's going to get his strengths better utilized.
His weaknesses can be fixed. He's 19. If he hasn't faced good competition, he will be in the NBA, and he will learn to adjust. His weaknesses are fixable.

Josh Jackson's length is unfixable.

Jayson Tatum's average athleticism compare to NBA wings can't be fixed.

Lonzo's dad is beyond fixing.

Jackson has a 6'10" wingspan. That's not elite but it's not some huge weakness.

[Mean Gerald Green]

Imagine for a second.... Cs could easily have gotten the 3rd pick on lottery night.  We are better off having won the lottery even if the return on this trade is disappointing.

That's how I'm trying to rationalize this. I would have been fine taking Jackson a month ago, and this is better.

But, the fact is we did get the #1 pick, and this seems like poor value.

It is poor value. I doesn't matter if we are moving only two spots down, we're passing on a supposedly transcendent player for an asset to be used as a trade chip or draft someone who's not Markelle Fultz.

The whole point of moving down is to get value, and what do we get, a protected LA pick or the Sacramento pick? Jesus Christ...

Supposedly is the key word. Ainge and some other GMs think its a 4 player tier 1

Understood, but if we look at scouting reports, Fultz clearly has the least amount of glaring weakness. Jackson has personal and length issues. Lonzo Ball has physicality and personal issues. Tatum has consistency and defense issues.

Fultz's weaknesses are at the most tolerable. Why not just take that player???

Are they? Fultz was never tested in college. He played for a crap team and and half-assed it all the way through, never playing defense. He missed the end of the season with a knee injury, and then reportedly choked on his workouts with the Celtics and Sixers , shooting poorly, when at least a little pressure was on him.

Kyrie Irving was never tested in college either, and his offensive gifts translated in the NBA. His offensive game is polished. He's athletic. He's got the measurables. Fultz could easily be a bigger, more athletic Kyrie.

Washington is a bad team as well. He's not playing with a bad team in the NBA, he's playing with the #1 seed in the East, he has help, and he's going to get his strengths better utilized.
His weaknesses can be fixed. He's 19. If he hasn't faced good competition, he will be in the NBA, and he will learn to adjust. His weaknesses are fixable.

Josh Jackson's length is unfixable.

Jayson Tatum's average athleticism compare to NBA wings can't be fixed.

Lonzo's dad is beyond fixing.

Jackson has a 6'10" wingspan. That's not elite but it's not some huge weakness.

Right? That's the league average for a SF, which is where he'd have to play.

[umpacu]

Alright, so I'll try to be as rational as possible...

I'm assuming Ainge thinks that paying Thomas the max is better than Fultz for 7 million or whatever (which could be true, btw), and also doesn't think Fultz is a franchise player.

Given that next season IT will be 28 and Horford 31, maybe he tried to get some picks we could use later, knowing that either Hayward or Blake would be willing to come here to win now so he already has some advanced talks to deal for Butler or George or someone else.

Or, he just likes another player in this draft. If that's the case, I would go with Tatum since he talked during the offseason about improving our scoring at the end of games. And I understad that's what Tatum does, right?

It's still hard to swallow, specially if every draft "expert" is right and Fultz will become a superstar with Philly. But I'm going to give Ainge the benefit of the doubt, and trust his judgement. There's a reason why we're in this position right now, and it's him.

I guess we'll have to wait to see what's the next step. I'm still really excited for our future.

Go Celtics!

[JOMVP]

This is some sort of nightmare scenario come true. We could have had Fultz plus probably Griffen or Hayward, now we're staring at using the 3 to get George or Butler and thats all she wrote. Hayward or Blake would have been significantly better than Butler and against George its questionable. People are saying we are swining these picks to get someone else which  people dont realize that takes us out of the free agency period. Ugh. So disgusted.

[JOMVP]

Alright, so I'll try to be as rational as possible...

I'm assuming Ainge thinks that paying Thomas the max is better than Fultz for 7 million or whatever (which could be true, btw), and also doesn't think Fultz is a franchise player.

Given that next season IT will be 28 and Horford 31, maybe he tried to get some picks we could use later, knowing that either Hayward or Blake would be willing to come here to win now so he already has some advanced talks to deal for Butler or George or someone else.

Or, he just likes another player in this draft. If that's the case, I would go with Tatum since he talked during the offseason about improving our scoring at the end of games. And I understad that's what Tatum does, right?

It's still hard to swallow, specially if every draft "expert" is right and Fultz will become a superstar with Philly. But I'm going to give Ainge the benefit of the doubt, and trust his judgement. There's a reason why we're in this position right now, and it's him.

I guess we'll have to wait to see what's the next step. I'm still really excited for our future.

Go Celtics!

How are you paying all of Blake/Hayward George/Butler IT and Horford? Not feasabllw.

[tarheelsxxiii]

Doubt the pick is kept, but if it is, I hope Tatum is the selection.

And the trade sucks in general, but we don't have context yet.  More is sure to come.  And while I've always kinda disliked him, Ainge has done well by us.

[jpotter33]

https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/876296202844876801?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Fboston-celtics

NBA exec to me: "I'd bet just about anything Boston doesn't end up picking at 3. At least not for themselves. It will move again."

Please, God, be George. He's so much of a better fit than Butler.

I think people are sleeping on how good George really is. He's an absolute perfect fit here.

[PAOBoston]

Philadelphia is planning to send Boston the No. 3 overall pick in Thursday’s draft and the 2018 first-round pick that the Los Angeles Lakers owe the Sixers, league sources told The Vertical. The Lakers’ pick in 2018 is protected Nos. 2-5, league sources said.

I'm confused about the protections now. That is from Woj latest article.

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-76ers-advanced-talks-acquire-no-1-pick-take-markelle-fultz-215225362.html

[Yoki_IsTheName]

Imagine for a second.... Cs could easily have gotten the 3rd pick on lottery night.  We are better off having won the lottery even if the return on this trade is disappointing.

That's how I'm trying to rationalize this. I would have been fine taking Jackson a month ago, and this is better.

But, the fact is we did get the #1 pick, and this seems like poor value.

It is poor value. I doesn't matter if we are moving only two spots down, we're passing on a supposedly transcendent player for an asset to be used as a trade chip or draft someone who's not Markelle Fultz.

The whole point of moving down is to get value, and what do we get, a protected LA pick or the Sacramento pick? Jesus Christ...

Supposedly is the key word. Ainge and some other GMs think its a 4 player tier 1

Understood, but if we look at scouting reports, Fultz clearly has the least amount of glaring weakness. Jackson has personal and length issues. Lonzo Ball has physicality and personal issues. Tatum has consistency and defense issues.

Fultz's weaknesses are at the most tolerable. Why not just take that player???

Are they? Fultz was never tested in college. He played for a crap team and and half-assed it all the way through, never playing defense. He missed the end of the season with a knee injury, and then reportedly choked on his workouts with the Celtics and Sixers , shooting poorly, when at least a little pressure was on him.

Kyrie Irving was never tested in college either, and his offensive gifts translated in the NBA. His offensive game is polished. He's athletic. He's got the measurables. Fultz could easily be a bigger, more athletic Kyrie.

Washington is a bad team as well. He's not playing with a bad team in the NBA, he's playing with the #1 seed in the East, he has help, and he's going to get his strengths better utilized.
His weaknesses can be fixed. He's 19. If he hasn't faced good competition, he will be in the NBA, and he will learn to adjust. His weaknesses are fixable.

Josh Jackson's length is unfixable.

Jayson Tatum's average athleticism compare to NBA wings can't be fixed.

Lonzo's dad is beyond fixing.

Jackson has a 6'10" wingspan. That's not elite but it's not some huge weakness.

And Fultz has the elite size for a PG.

You know a wing who has great athletic ability and has long arms? Jaylen Brown.

[CelticSooner]

https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/876296202844876801?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Fboston-celtics

NBA exec to me: "I'd bet just about anything Boston doesn't end up picking at 3. At least not for themselves. It will move again."

Please, God, be George. He's so much of a better fit than Butler.

I think people are sleeping on how good George really is. He's an absolute perfect fit here.

I don't see how it's George considering he seems dead set on exploring his options next summer. Too much of a gamble even for Ainge.