Gonna Say A Lot of Things to Make Some People Mad

[__ramonezy__]

Seeing the flare up over a trade of our #1 pick has shown how extremely short sighted we are as fans. I'm going to say some things that will make a lot of people mad but it's simply the truth.

• We don't need Fultz!!! On this team he's a luxury, we have championship caliber guards already, we need to strengthen our front court or we'll be just like the Wizards or Blazers. Fultz at Jordan level won't get us over the hump simply because our alternatives at that position already bring so much to the table. This point is doubly hammered home if we get Hayward in FA
• If we get 2018 Lakers unprotected we will have the 1st round picks of the two teams projected to be the worst next year where the top prospects are actually at positions of great need... Bamba, Ayton, or if we want a scorer we go Porter and move a 3rd year Brown to SG we would immediately improve our oncourt size... which we currently clock in as the shortest team in the NBA
• Top 5 2018 draft is better than this draft. There's no way Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Tatum and Isaacs hold a candle to Doncic, Ayton, Bamba, Porter... and we can get two of those
• Fultz is not a generational talent. He's definitely talented and has potential to be great, but I put his prospect at a Wiggins, Parker level but definitely below a Kobe, Lebron or even Kyrie. 
• IT and Fultz cannot play together on this team with no rim protection... we'd be run through by any team with a half decent lineup.
• Tatum is the best prospect for this team's future. For some reason draft hype always props up highly athletic prospects.
  Jackson's skill set offensively is far too immature for me to project he'll ever be anything more than a pesky defender... Tatum on the other hand is the truth... pure scorer at the SF position and defensive potential
• Terry Rozier has proven himself as a competent PG and the 2nd best PG on this team. The reason he hasn't been traded is because he is exactly what we need on our 2nd unit and most of the dislike has been more about name recognition than his performance. If Fultz came in as a 2nd year player and balled out like Rozier we'd all be saying the future is bright, but because he came in as an unheralded pick, he's disposable
• Our window for competing is wide open and isn't closing anytime soon. We are amongst the youngest teams in the NBA and we are coming off a season where we won the Eastern Conference. We don't need to rush making the next step

2018 Celtics look like a death squad
IT/Rozier
Jaylen/Smart
Hayward /Crowder/Tatum
/???
Horford/Zizic

And two from Ayton/Bamba/Porter/Doncic.

Danny make the trade!!!

[Neurotic Guy]

I might agree if the current rumor didnt include trading the #3,  the LAL pick and possibly Nets '18 for Butler. Even two of these three for Butler doesn't feel right to me.

[dreamgreen]

I might agree if the current rumor didnt include trading the #3,  the LAL pick and possibly Nets '18 for Butler. Even two of these three for Butler doesn't feel right to me.

That would be a horrible trade for us.

Also disagree with the OP about not needing Fultz.
1. IT to small and now hurt and up for a new contract next year
2. AB to small, injury prone and up for a new contract next year
3. If you think we can be a championship team with IT and AB making $50m a year you're wrong

[cltc5]

OP...amen!  I said fultz would be a bust and Jackson or ball are the better fit.  Some people just want to believe what others tell them or what their stat machines spit out to them.  They live in a bubble and when it bursts , can't understand why.  It's because basketball or any sport is more than stats and opinions. 

[Chief Macho]

I might agree if the current rumor didnt include trading the #3,  the LAL pick and possibly Nets '18 for Butler. Even two of these three for Butler doesn't feel right to me.

that's not happening.   we're drafting a player this year.   and we're drafting a player next year.  i'm betting danny gets two firsts next season from philly and those are used to package for a player.   

this is ainge we're talking about.   if philly wants fultz, it's gonna cost them.

[Ogaju]

TP to the OP

By the way, Tatum>Jackson>Ball.

[gouki88]

In what world do we have championship guards?? The champs have a better back court than us, along with being superior at almost all positions.

[Dchuck]

Seeing the flare up over a trade of our #1 pick has shown how extremely short sighted we are as fans. I'm going to say some things that will make a lot of people mad but it's simply the truth.

• We don't need Fultz!!! On this team he's a luxury, we have championship caliber guards already, we need to strengthen our front court or we'll be just like the Wizards or Blazers. Fultz at Jordan level won't get us over the hump simply because our alternatives at that position already bring so much to the table. This point is doubly hammered home if we get Hayward in FA

I can't believe people around here think our "stacked" backcourt is championship caliber or sufficient enough to even compete for a championship.  There is absolutely no consistent offensive production coming from anyone when IT is out or on the bench.  There is no one who can dribble or much less create their own shot.  There is no one we can go to when we desperately need a bucket. We NEED all the scorers/playmakers we can get including Hayward

• If we get 2018 Lakers unprotected we will have the 1st round picks of the two teams projected to be the worst next year where the top prospects are actually at positions of great need... Bamba, Ayton, or if we want a scorer we go Porter and move a 3rd year Brown to SG we would immediately improve our oncourt size... which we currently clock in as the shortest team in the NBA

Our greatest position of need is someone who is a naturally gifted scorer/playmaker PERIOD!  We are taking a huge risk "hoping" these draft picks land in the top 3 or 4.  Ask PHX how this year's draft order worked out for them.  Also, I don't understand all this talk about simply move Jaylen to the #2 spot. Like it's that simple to take a below avg. jump shooter and slide him to #2/b]]

• Top 5 2018 draft is better than this draft. There's no way Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Tatum and Isaacs hold a candle to Doncic, Ayton, Bamba, Porter... and we can get two of those
• Fultz is not a generational talent. He's definitely talented and has potential to be great, but I put his prospect at a Wiggins, Parker level but definitely below a Kobe, Lebron or even Kyrie. 

He's EASILY the best offensive talent in this year's draft.  Exactly what we NEED.

• IT and Fultz cannot play together on this team with no rim protection... we'd be run through by any team with a half decent lineup.

They can play together.  They would be problems for other teams to deal with as well

• Tatum is the best prospect for this team's future. For some reason draft hype always props up highly athletic prospects.
  Jackson's skill set offensively is far too immature for me to project he'll ever be anything more than a pesky defender... Tatum on the other hand is the truth... pure scorer at the SF position and defensive potential

What defensive potential?  You mean the same potential Fultz has.  Plus Fultz IS the better offensive talent

• Terry Rozier has proven himself as a competent PG and the 2nd best PG on this team. The reason he hasn't been traded is because he is exactly what we need on our 2nd unit and most of the dislike has been more about name recognition than his performance. If Fultz came in as a 2nd year player and balled out like Rozier we'd all be saying the future is bright, but because he came in as an unheralded pick, he's disposable

I like Rozier.  But, please....

• Our window for competing is wide open and isn't closing anytime soon. We are amongst the youngest teams in the NBA and we are coming off a season where we won the Eastern Conference. We don't need to rush making the next step

We're not close to realistically challenging the Cavs or GSW anytime soon

2018 Celtics look like a death squad
IT/Rozier
Jaylen/Smart
Hayward /Crowder/Tatum
/???
Horford/Zizic

And two from Ayton/Bamba/Porter/Doncic.

Danny make the trade!!!

Danny, take Fultz!  Teams rarely get the #1 pick, you have it.  The decision is easy

[__ramonezy__]

In what world do we have championship guards?? The champs have a better back court than us, along with being superior at almost all positions.

I said we had championship level guards not the best backcourt. But when you have an All-Star PG that was top 3 in scoring paired with a SG known as one of the best onball defenders in the league AND averages 18ppg... that's championship caliber right there.

[mctyson]

TP just for the title.

[Dchuck]

In what world do we have championship guards?? The champs have a better back court than us, along with being superior at almost all positions.

I said we had championship level guards not the best backcourt. But when you have an All-Star PG that was top 3 in scoring paired with a SG known as one of the best onball defenders in the league AND averages 18ppg... that's championship caliber right there.

One of these guys is gone next year.  Then what?

[__ramonezy__]

Seeing the flare up over a trade of our #1 pick has shown how extremely short sighted we are as fans. I'm going to say some things that will make a lot of people mad but it's simply the truth.

• We don't need Fultz!!! On this team he's a luxury, we have championship caliber guards already, we need to strengthen our front court or we'll be just like the Wizards or Blazers. Fultz at Jordan level won't get us over the hump simply because our alternatives at that position already bring so much to the table. This point is doubly hammered home if we get Hayward in FA

I can't believe people around here think our "stacked" backcourt is championship caliber or sufficient enough to even compete for a championship.  There is absolutely no consistent offensive production coming from anyone when IT is out or on the bench.  There is no one who can dribble or much less create their own shot.  There is no one we can go to when we desperately need a bucket. We NEED all the scorers/playmakers we can get including Hayward

• If we get 2018 Lakers unprotected we will have the 1st round picks of the two teams projected to be the worst next year where the top prospects are actually at positions of great need... Bamba, Ayton, or if we want a scorer we go Porter and move a 3rd year Brown to SG we would immediately improve our oncourt size... which we currently clock in as the shortest team in the NBA

Our greatest position of need is someone who is a naturally gifted scorer/playmaker PERIOD!  We are taking a huge risk "hoping" these draft picks land in the top 3 or 4.  Ask PHX how this year's draft order worked out for them.  Also, I don't understand all this talk about simply move Jaylen to the #2 spot. Like it's that simple to take a below avg. jump shooter and slide him to #2/b]]

• Top 5 2018 draft is better than this draft. There's no way Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Tatum and Isaacs hold a candle to Doncic, Ayton, Bamba, Porter... and we can get two of those
• Fultz is not a generational talent. He's definitely talented and has potential to be great, but I put his prospect at a Wiggins, Parker level but definitely below a Kobe, Lebron or even Kyrie. 

He's EASILY the best offensive talent in this year's draft.  Exactly what we NEED.

• IT and Fultz cannot play together on this team with no rim protection... we'd be run through by any team with a half decent lineup.

They can play together.  They would be problems for other teams to deal with as well

• Tatum is the best prospect for this team's future. For some reason draft hype always props up highly athletic prospects.
  Jackson's skill set offensively is far too immature for me to project he'll ever be anything more than a pesky defender... Tatum on the other hand is the truth... pure scorer at the SF position and defensive potential

What defensive potential?  You mean the same potential Fultz has.  Plus Fultz IS the better offensive talent

• Terry Rozier has proven himself as a competent PG and the 2nd best PG on this team. The reason he hasn't been traded is because he is exactly what we need on our 2nd unit and most of the dislike has been more about name recognition than his performance. If Fultz came in as a 2nd year player and balled out like Rozier we'd all be saying the future is bright, but because he came in as an unheralded pick, he's disposable

I like Rozier.  But, please....

• Our window for competing is wide open and isn't closing anytime soon. We are amongst the youngest teams in the NBA and we are coming off a season where we won the Eastern Conference. We don't need to rush making the next step

We're not close to realistically challenging the Cavs or GSW anytime soon

2018 Celtics look like a death squad
IT/Rozier
Jaylen/Smart
Hayward /Crowder/Tatum
/???
Horford/Zizic

And two from Ayton/Bamba/Porter/Doncic.

Danny make the trade!!!

Danny, take Fultz!  Teams rarely get the #1 pick, you have it.  The decision is easy

Arguing the quality of our backcourt has been done to death, so I guess we're just on different sides of the coin my friend. But with this  team, if I'm given the choice of adding Fultz + Ayton/Bamba or Tatum/Jackson + Porter + Ayton/Bamba, I'm taking option 2 all day every day.

[Tr1boy]

OP...amen!  I said fultz would be a bust and Jackson or ball are the better fit.  Some people just want to believe what others tell them or what their stat machines spit out to them.  They live in a bubble and when it bursts , can't understand why.  It's because basketball or any sport is more than stats and opinions.

I dont think Fultz will be a bust...but it may take him a few years longer to get it

Like I have been saying all along...the gap between 1-4 is small...and glad Danny sees it the same way

Plus you get an option for one of Lakers 2018 or Kings 2019 picks. Celts are padded for the future

[__ramonezy__]

In what world do we have championship guards?? The champs have a better back court than us, along with being superior at almost all positions.

I said we had championship level guards not the best backcourt. But when you have an All-Star PG that was top 3 in scoring paired with a SG known as one of the best onball defenders in the league AND averages 18ppg... that's championship caliber right there.

One of these guys is gone next year.  Then what?

The front office has done an amazing job, if one of these guys leave it's because we want them to and not  because we were unable to keep them

[BlackCeltic]

Seeing the flare up over a trade of our #1 pick has shown how extremely short sighted we are as fans. I'm going to say some things that will make a lot of people mad but it's simply the truth.

• We don't need Fultz!!! On this team he's a luxury, we have championship caliber guards already, we need to strengthen our front court or we'll be just like the Wizards or Blazers. Fultz at Jordan level won't get us over the hump simply because our alternatives at that position already bring so much to the table. This point is doubly hammered home if we get Hayward in FA

I can't believe people around here think our "stacked" backcourt is championship caliber or sufficient enough to even compete for a championship.  There is absolutely no consistent offensive production coming from anyone when IT is out or on the bench.  There is no one who can dribble or much less create their own shot.  There is no one we can go to when we desperately need a bucket. We NEED all the scorers/playmakers we can get including Hayward

• If we get 2018 Lakers unprotected we will have the 1st round picks of the two teams projected to be the worst next year where the top prospects are actually at positions of great need... Bamba, Ayton, or if we want a scorer we go Porter and move a 3rd year Brown to SG we would immediately improve our oncourt size... which we currently clock in as the shortest team in the NBA

Our greatest position of need is someone who is a naturally gifted scorer/playmaker PERIOD!  We are taking a huge risk "hoping" these draft picks land in the top 3 or 4.  Ask PHX how this year's draft order worked out for them.  Also, I don't understand all this talk about simply move Jaylen to the #2 spot. Like it's that simple to take a below avg. jump shooter and slide him to #2/b]]

• Top 5 2018 draft is better than this draft. There's no way Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Tatum and Isaacs hold a candle to Doncic, Ayton, Bamba, Porter... and we can get two of those
• Fultz is not a generational talent. He's definitely talented and has potential to be great, but I put his prospect at a Wiggins, Parker level but definitely below a Kobe, Lebron or even Kyrie. 

He's EASILY the best offensive talent in this year's draft.  Exactly what we NEED.

• IT and Fultz cannot play together on this team with no rim protection... we'd be run through by any team with a half decent lineup.

They can play together.  They would be problems for other teams to deal with as well

• Tatum is the best prospect for this team's future. For some reason draft hype always props up highly athletic prospects.
  Jackson's skill set offensively is far too immature for me to project he'll ever be anything more than a pesky defender... Tatum on the other hand is the truth... pure scorer at the SF position and defensive potential

What defensive potential?  You mean the same potential Fultz has.  Plus Fultz IS the better offensive talent

• Terry Rozier has proven himself as a competent PG and the 2nd best PG on this team. The reason he hasn't been traded is because he is exactly what we need on our 2nd unit and most of the dislike has been more about name recognition than his performance. If Fultz came in as a 2nd year player and balled out like Rozier we'd all be saying the future is bright, but because he came in as an unheralded pick, he's disposable

I like Rozier.  But, please....

• Our window for competing is wide open and isn't closing anytime soon. We are amongst the youngest teams in the NBA and we are coming off a season where we won the Eastern Conference. We don't need to rush making the next step

We're not close to realistically challenging the Cavs or GSW anytime soon

2018 Celtics look like a death squad
IT/Rozier
Jaylen/Smart
Hayward /Crowder/Tatum
/???
Horford/Zizic

And two from Ayton/Bamba/Porter/Doncic.

Danny make the trade!!!

Danny, take Fultz!  Teams rarely get the #1 pick, you have it.  The decision is easy

Arguing the quality of our backcourt has been done to death, so I guess we're just on different sides of the coin my friend. But with this  team, if I'm given the choice of adding Fultz + Ayton/Bamba or Tatum/Jackson + Porter + Ayton/Bamba, I'm taking option 2 all day every day.

Im taking option 1 all day. Why do we need 3 SFs on rookie salaries competing for the same jobs. And none of them shoot as well as Fultz.