Gonna Say A Lot of Things to Make Some People Mad

[dreamgreen]

In what world do we have championship guards?? The champs have a better back court than us, along with being superior at almost all positions.

I said we had championship level guards not the best backcourt. But when you have an All-Star PG that was top 3 in scoring paired with a SG known as one of the best onball defenders in the league AND averages 18ppg... that's championship caliber right there.

One of these guys is gone next year.  Then what?

Both undersized, AB is injury prone can't dribble and is one of the worse passers in the league.

[Dchuck]

In what world do we have championship guards?? The champs have a better back court than us, along with being superior at almost all positions.

I said we had championship level guards not the best backcourt. But when you have an All-Star PG that was top 3 in scoring paired with a SG known as one of the best onball defenders in the league AND averages 18ppg... that's championship caliber right there.

One of these guys is gone next year.  Then what?

The front office has done an amazing job, if one of these guys leave it's because we want them to and not  because we were unable to keep them

All the rumors flying around of adding Hayward, Butler, signing IT to a max, how do we afford Bradley.

[iadera]

Seeing the flare up over a trade of our #1 pick has shown how extremely short sighted we are as fans. I'm going to say some things that will make a lot of people mad but it's simply the truth.

• We don't need Fultz!!! On this team he's a luxury, we have championship caliber guards already, we need to strengthen our front court or we'll be just like the Wizards or Blazers. Fultz at Jordan level won't get us over the hump simply because our alternatives at that position already bring so much to the table. This point is doubly hammered home if we get Hayward in FA
• If we get 2018 Lakers unprotected we will have the 1st round picks of the two teams projected to be the worst next year where the top prospects are actually at positions of great need... Bamba, Ayton, or if we want a scorer we go Porter and move a 3rd year Brown to SG we would immediately improve our oncourt size... which we currently clock in as the shortest team in the NBA
• Top 5 2018 draft is better than this draft. There's no way Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Tatum and Isaacs hold a candle to Doncic, Ayton, Bamba, Porter... and we can get two of those
• Fultz is not a generational talent. He's definitely talented and has potential to be great, but I put his prospect at a Wiggins, Parker level but definitely below a Kobe, Lebron or even Kyrie. 
• IT and Fultz cannot play together on this team with no rim protection... we'd be run through by any team with a half decent lineup.
• Tatum is the best prospect for this team's future. For some reason draft hype always props up highly athletic prospects.
  Jackson's skill set offensively is far too immature for me to project he'll ever be anything more than a pesky defender... Tatum on the other hand is the truth... pure scorer at the SF position and defensive potential
• Terry Rozier has proven himself as a competent PG and the 2nd best PG on this team. The reason he hasn't been traded is because he is exactly what we need on our 2nd unit and most of the dislike has been more about name recognition than his performance. If Fultz came in as a 2nd year player and balled out like Rozier we'd all be saying the future is bright, but because he came in as an unheralded pick, he's disposable
• Our window for competing is wide open and isn't closing anytime soon. We are amongst the youngest teams in the NBA and we are coming off a season where we won the Eastern Conference. We don't need to rush making the next step

2018 Celtics look like a death squad
IT/Rozier
Jaylen/Smart
Hayward /Crowder/Tatum
/???
Horford/Zizic

And two from Ayton/Bamba/Porter/Doncic.

Danny make the trade!!!

You're not making me mad, you're making me laugh.

[__ramonezy__]

Seeing the flare up over a trade of our #1 pick has shown how extremely short sighted we are as fans. I'm going to say some things that will make a lot of people mad but it's simply the truth.

• We don't need Fultz!!! On this team he's a luxury, we have championship caliber guards already, we need to strengthen our front court or we'll be just like the Wizards or Blazers. Fultz at Jordan level won't get us over the hump simply because our alternatives at that position already bring so much to the table. This point is doubly hammered home if we get Hayward in FA

I can't believe people around here think our "stacked" backcourt is championship caliber or sufficient enough to even compete for a championship.  There is absolutely no consistent offensive production coming from anyone when IT is out or on the bench.  There is no one who can dribble or much less create their own shot.  There is no one we can go to when we desperately need a bucket. We NEED all the scorers/playmakers we can get including Hayward

• If we get 2018 Lakers unprotected we will have the 1st round picks of the two teams projected to be the worst next year where the top prospects are actually at positions of great need... Bamba, Ayton, or if we want a scorer we go Porter and move a 3rd year Brown to SG we would immediately improve our oncourt size... which we currently clock in as the shortest team in the NBA

Our greatest position of need is someone who is a naturally gifted scorer/playmaker PERIOD!  We are taking a huge risk "hoping" these draft picks land in the top 3 or 4.  Ask PHX how this year's draft order worked out for them.  Also, I don't understand all this talk about simply move Jaylen to the #2 spot. Like it's that simple to take a below avg. jump shooter and slide him to #2/b]]

• Top 5 2018 draft is better than this draft. There's no way Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Tatum and Isaacs hold a candle to Doncic, Ayton, Bamba, Porter... and we can get two of those
• Fultz is not a generational talent. He's definitely talented and has potential to be great, but I put his prospect at a Wiggins, Parker level but definitely below a Kobe, Lebron or even Kyrie. 

He's EASILY the best offensive talent in this year's draft.  Exactly what we NEED.

• IT and Fultz cannot play together on this team with no rim protection... we'd be run through by any team with a half decent lineup.

They can play together.  They would be problems for other teams to deal with as well

• Tatum is the best prospect for this team's future. For some reason draft hype always props up highly athletic prospects.
  Jackson's skill set offensively is far too immature for me to project he'll ever be anything more than a pesky defender... Tatum on the other hand is the truth... pure scorer at the SF position and defensive potential

What defensive potential?  You mean the same potential Fultz has.  Plus Fultz IS the better offensive talent

• Terry Rozier has proven himself as a competent PG and the 2nd best PG on this team. The reason he hasn't been traded is because he is exactly what we need on our 2nd unit and most of the dislike has been more about name recognition than his performance. If Fultz came in as a 2nd year player and balled out like Rozier we'd all be saying the future is bright, but because he came in as an unheralded pick, he's disposable

I like Rozier.  But, please....

• Our window for competing is wide open and isn't closing anytime soon. We are amongst the youngest teams in the NBA and we are coming off a season where we won the Eastern Conference. We don't need to rush making the next step

We're not close to realistically challenging the Cavs or GSW anytime soon

2018 Celtics look like a death squad
IT/Rozier
Jaylen/Smart
Hayward /Crowder/Tatum
/???
Horford/Zizic

And two from Ayton/Bamba/Porter/Doncic.

Danny make the trade!!!

Danny, take Fultz!  Teams rarely get the #1 pick, you have it.  The decision is easy

Arguing the quality of our backcourt has been done to death, so I guess we're just on different sides of the coin my friend. But with this  team, if I'm given the choice of adding Fultz + Ayton/Bamba or Tatum/Jackson + Porter + Ayton/Bamba, I'm taking option 2 all day every day.

Im taking option 1 all day. Why do we need 3 SFs on rookie salaries competing for the same jobs. And none of them shoot as well as Fultz.

Our system runs on ball handlers, wings and bigs. So saying all would be vying for SF in our system is not exactly accurate... even though we still use the traditional positions in discussions. But Crowder sees time as a 4 when we go small... Porter is 6'10" no issues there... Actually the Warriors run similar lineups with KD at 4, Iggy at 3 and Klay at 2

[BlackCeltic]

Seeing the flare up over a trade of our #1 pick has shown how extremely short sighted we are as fans. I'm going to say some things that will make a lot of people mad but it's simply the truth.

• We don't need Fultz!!! On this team he's a luxury, we have championship caliber guards already, we need to strengthen our front court or we'll be just like the Wizards or Blazers. Fultz at Jordan level won't get us over the hump simply because our alternatives at that position already bring so much to the table. This point is doubly hammered home if we get Hayward in FA

I can't believe people around here think our "stacked" backcourt is championship caliber or sufficient enough to even compete for a championship.  There is absolutely no consistent offensive production coming from anyone when IT is out or on the bench.  There is no one who can dribble or much less create their own shot.  There is no one we can go to when we desperately need a bucket. We NEED all the scorers/playmakers we can get including Hayward

• If we get 2018 Lakers unprotected we will have the 1st round picks of the two teams projected to be the worst next year where the top prospects are actually at positions of great need... Bamba, Ayton, or if we want a scorer we go Porter and move a 3rd year Brown to SG we would immediately improve our oncourt size... which we currently clock in as the shortest team in the NBA

Our greatest position of need is someone who is a naturally gifted scorer/playmaker PERIOD!  We are taking a huge risk "hoping" these draft picks land in the top 3 or 4.  Ask PHX how this year's draft order worked out for them.  Also, I don't understand all this talk about simply move Jaylen to the #2 spot. Like it's that simple to take a below avg. jump shooter and slide him to #2/b]]

• Top 5 2018 draft is better than this draft. There's no way Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Tatum and Isaacs hold a candle to Doncic, Ayton, Bamba, Porter... and we can get two of those
• Fultz is not a generational talent. He's definitely talented and has potential to be great, but I put his prospect at a Wiggins, Parker level but definitely below a Kobe, Lebron or even Kyrie. 

He's EASILY the best offensive talent in this year's draft.  Exactly what we NEED.

• IT and Fultz cannot play together on this team with no rim protection... we'd be run through by any team with a half decent lineup.

They can play together.  They would be problems for other teams to deal with as well

• Tatum is the best prospect for this team's future. For some reason draft hype always props up highly athletic prospects.
  Jackson's skill set offensively is far too immature for me to project he'll ever be anything more than a pesky defender... Tatum on the other hand is the truth... pure scorer at the SF position and defensive potential

What defensive potential?  You mean the same potential Fultz has.  Plus Fultz IS the better offensive talent

• Terry Rozier has proven himself as a competent PG and the 2nd best PG on this team. The reason he hasn't been traded is because he is exactly what we need on our 2nd unit and most of the dislike has been more about name recognition than his performance. If Fultz came in as a 2nd year player and balled out like Rozier we'd all be saying the future is bright, but because he came in as an unheralded pick, he's disposable

I like Rozier.  But, please....

• Our window for competing is wide open and isn't closing anytime soon. We are amongst the youngest teams in the NBA and we are coming off a season where we won the Eastern Conference. We don't need to rush making the next step

We're not close to realistically challenging the Cavs or GSW anytime soon

2018 Celtics look like a death squad
IT/Rozier
Jaylen/Smart
Hayward /Crowder/Tatum
/???
Horford/Zizic

And two from Ayton/Bamba/Porter/Doncic.

Danny make the trade!!!

Danny, take Fultz!  Teams rarely get the #1 pick, you have it.  The decision is easy

Arguing the quality of our backcourt has been done to death, so I guess we're just on different sides of the coin my friend. But with this  team, if I'm given the choice of adding Fultz + Ayton/Bamba or Tatum/Jackson + Porter + Ayton/Bamba, I'm taking option 2 all day every day.

Im taking option 1 all day. Why do we need 3 SFs on rookie salaries competing for the same jobs. And none of them shoot as well as Fultz.

Our system runs on ball handlers, wings and bigs. So saying all would be vying for SF in our system is not exactly accurate... even though we still use the traditional positions in discussions. But Crowder sees time as a 4 when we go small... Porter is 6'10" no issues there... Actually the Warriors run similar lineups with KD at 4, Iggy at 3 and Klay at 2

What if 2 of Porter, Ayton & Bamba somehow blow out their knees in the upcoming college season?

[ThaPreacher]

In what world do we have championship guards?? The champs have a better back court than us, along with being superior at almost all positions.

Washington has a better back-court than we do. Tell me you wouldn't trade IT and Avery
straight up for Wall/Beal ? seriously.

[__ramonezy__]

Seeing the flare up over a trade of our #1 pick has shown how extremely short sighted we are as fans. I'm going to say some things that will make a lot of people mad but it's simply the truth.

• We don't need Fultz!!! On this team he's a luxury, we have championship caliber guards already, we need to strengthen our front court or we'll be just like the Wizards or Blazers. Fultz at Jordan level won't get us over the hump simply because our alternatives at that position already bring so much to the table. This point is doubly hammered home if we get Hayward in FA

I can't believe people around here think our "stacked" backcourt is championship caliber or sufficient enough to even compete for a championship.  There is absolutely no consistent offensive production coming from anyone when IT is out or on the bench.  There is no one who can dribble or much less create their own shot.  There is no one we can go to when we desperately need a bucket. We NEED all the scorers/playmakers we can get including Hayward

• If we get 2018 Lakers unprotected we will have the 1st round picks of the two teams projected to be the worst next year where the top prospects are actually at positions of great need... Bamba, Ayton, or if we want a scorer we go Porter and move a 3rd year Brown to SG we would immediately improve our oncourt size... which we currently clock in as the shortest team in the NBA

Our greatest position of need is someone who is a naturally gifted scorer/playmaker PERIOD!  We are taking a huge risk "hoping" these draft picks land in the top 3 or 4.  Ask PHX how this year's draft order worked out for them.  Also, I don't understand all this talk about simply move Jaylen to the #2 spot. Like it's that simple to take a below avg. jump shooter and slide him to #2/b]]

• Top 5 2018 draft is better than this draft. There's no way Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Tatum and Isaacs hold a candle to Doncic, Ayton, Bamba, Porter... and we can get two of those
• Fultz is not a generational talent. He's definitely talented and has potential to be great, but I put his prospect at a Wiggins, Parker level but definitely below a Kobe, Lebron or even Kyrie. 

He's EASILY the best offensive talent in this year's draft.  Exactly what we NEED.

• IT and Fultz cannot play together on this team with no rim protection... we'd be run through by any team with a half decent lineup.

They can play together.  They would be problems for other teams to deal with as well

• Tatum is the best prospect for this team's future. For some reason draft hype always props up highly athletic prospects.
  Jackson's skill set offensively is far too immature for me to project he'll ever be anything more than a pesky defender... Tatum on the other hand is the truth... pure scorer at the SF position and defensive potential

What defensive potential?  You mean the same potential Fultz has.  Plus Fultz IS the better offensive talent

• Terry Rozier has proven himself as a competent PG and the 2nd best PG on this team. The reason he hasn't been traded is because he is exactly what we need on our 2nd unit and most of the dislike has been more about name recognition than his performance. If Fultz came in as a 2nd year player and balled out like Rozier we'd all be saying the future is bright, but because he came in as an unheralded pick, he's disposable

I like Rozier.  But, please....

• Our window for competing is wide open and isn't closing anytime soon. We are amongst the youngest teams in the NBA and we are coming off a season where we won the Eastern Conference. We don't need to rush making the next step

We're not close to realistically challenging the Cavs or GSW anytime soon

2018 Celtics look like a death squad
IT/Rozier
Jaylen/Smart
Hayward /Crowder/Tatum
/???
Horford/Zizic

And two from Ayton/Bamba/Porter/Doncic.

Danny make the trade!!!

Danny, take Fultz!  Teams rarely get the #1 pick, you have it.  The decision is easy

Arguing the quality of our backcourt has been done to death, so I guess we're just on different sides of the coin my friend. But with this  team, if I'm given the choice of adding Fultz + Ayton/Bamba or Tatum/Jackson + Porter + Ayton/Bamba, I'm taking option 2 all day every day.

Im taking option 1 all day. Why do we need 3 SFs on rookie salaries competing for the same jobs. And none of them shoot as well as Fultz.

Our system runs on ball handlers, wings and bigs. So saying all would be vying for SF in our system is not exactly accurate... even though we still use the traditional positions in discussions. But Crowder sees time as a 4 when we go small... Porter is 6'10" no issues there... Actually the Warriors run similar lineups with KD at 4, Iggy at 3 and Klay at 2

What if 2 of Porter, Ayton & Bamba somehow blow out their knees in the upcoming college season?

Lol... unless you know something I don't, can't that happen to Fultz as well? Didn't know going #1 made you immune to injuries

[BlackCeltic]

Seeing the flare up over a trade of our #1 pick has shown how extremely short sighted we are as fans. I'm going to say some things that will make a lot of people mad but it's simply the truth.

• We don't need Fultz!!! On this team he's a luxury, we have championship caliber guards already, we need to strengthen our front court or we'll be just like the Wizards or Blazers. Fultz at Jordan level won't get us over the hump simply because our alternatives at that position already bring so much to the table. This point is doubly hammered home if we get Hayward in FA

I can't believe people around here think our "stacked" backcourt is championship caliber or sufficient enough to even compete for a championship.  There is absolutely no consistent offensive production coming from anyone when IT is out or on the bench.  There is no one who can dribble or much less create their own shot.  There is no one we can go to when we desperately need a bucket. We NEED all the scorers/playmakers we can get including Hayward

• If we get 2018 Lakers unprotected we will have the 1st round picks of the two teams projected to be the worst next year where the top prospects are actually at positions of great need... Bamba, Ayton, or if we want a scorer we go Porter and move a 3rd year Brown to SG we would immediately improve our oncourt size... which we currently clock in as the shortest team in the NBA

Our greatest position of need is someone who is a naturally gifted scorer/playmaker PERIOD!  We are taking a huge risk "hoping" these draft picks land in the top 3 or 4.  Ask PHX how this year's draft order worked out for them.  Also, I don't understand all this talk about simply move Jaylen to the #2 spot. Like it's that simple to take a below avg. jump shooter and slide him to #2/b]]

• Top 5 2018 draft is better than this draft. There's no way Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Tatum and Isaacs hold a candle to Doncic, Ayton, Bamba, Porter... and we can get two of those
• Fultz is not a generational talent. He's definitely talented and has potential to be great, but I put his prospect at a Wiggins, Parker level but definitely below a Kobe, Lebron or even Kyrie. 

He's EASILY the best offensive talent in this year's draft.  Exactly what we NEED.

• IT and Fultz cannot play together on this team with no rim protection... we'd be run through by any team with a half decent lineup.

They can play together.  They would be problems for other teams to deal with as well

• Tatum is the best prospect for this team's future. For some reason draft hype always props up highly athletic prospects.
  Jackson's skill set offensively is far too immature for me to project he'll ever be anything more than a pesky defender... Tatum on the other hand is the truth... pure scorer at the SF position and defensive potential

What defensive potential?  You mean the same potential Fultz has.  Plus Fultz IS the better offensive talent

• Terry Rozier has proven himself as a competent PG and the 2nd best PG on this team. The reason he hasn't been traded is because he is exactly what we need on our 2nd unit and most of the dislike has been more about name recognition than his performance. If Fultz came in as a 2nd year player and balled out like Rozier we'd all be saying the future is bright, but because he came in as an unheralded pick, he's disposable

I like Rozier.  But, please....

• Our window for competing is wide open and isn't closing anytime soon. We are amongst the youngest teams in the NBA and we are coming off a season where we won the Eastern Conference. We don't need to rush making the next step

We're not close to realistically challenging the Cavs or GSW anytime soon

2018 Celtics look like a death squad
IT/Rozier
Jaylen/Smart
Hayward /Crowder/Tatum
/???
Horford/Zizic

And two from Ayton/Bamba/Porter/Doncic.

Danny make the trade!!!

Danny, take Fultz!  Teams rarely get the #1 pick, you have it.  The decision is easy

Arguing the quality of our backcourt has been done to death, so I guess we're just on different sides of the coin my friend. But with this  team, if I'm given the choice of adding Fultz + Ayton/Bamba or Tatum/Jackson + Porter + Ayton/Bamba, I'm taking option 2 all day every day.

Im taking option 1 all day. Why do we need 3 SFs on rookie salaries competing for the same jobs. And none of them shoot as well as Fultz.

Our system runs on ball handlers, wings and bigs. So saying all would be vying for SF in our system is not exactly accurate... even though we still use the traditional positions in discussions. But Crowder sees time as a 4 when we go small... Porter is 6'10" no issues there... Actually the Warriors run similar lineups with KD at 4, Iggy at 3 and Klay at 2

What if 2 of Porter, Ayton & Bamba somehow blow out their knees in the upcoming college season?

Lol... unless you know something I don't, can't that happen to Fultz as well? Didn't know going #1 made you immune to injuries

It doesn't, but trading for more uncertainty doesn't make sense when we already have a ton of picks...unless we are planning to trade them for a superstar.

[Dchuck]

Seeing the flare up over a trade of our #1 pick has shown how extremely short sighted we are as fans. I'm going to say some things that will make a lot of people mad but it's simply the truth.

• We don't need Fultz!!! On this team he's a luxury, we have championship caliber guards already, we need to strengthen our front court or we'll be just like the Wizards or Blazers. Fultz at Jordan level won't get us over the hump simply because our alternatives at that position already bring so much to the table. This point is doubly hammered home if we get Hayward in FA

I can't believe people around here think our "stacked" backcourt is championship caliber or sufficient enough to even compete for a championship.  There is absolutely no consistent offensive production coming from anyone when IT is out or on the bench.  There is no one who can dribble or much less create their own shot.  There is no one we can go to when we desperately need a bucket. We NEED all the scorers/playmakers we can get including Hayward

• If we get 2018 Lakers unprotected we will have the 1st round picks of the two teams projected to be the worst next year where the top prospects are actually at positions of great need... Bamba, Ayton, or if we want a scorer we go Porter and move a 3rd year Brown to SG we would immediately improve our oncourt size... which we currently clock in as the shortest team in the NBA

Our greatest position of need is someone who is a naturally gifted scorer/playmaker PERIOD!  We are taking a huge risk "hoping" these draft picks land in the top 3 or 4.  Ask PHX how this year's draft order worked out for them.  Also, I don't understand all this talk about simply move Jaylen to the #2 spot. Like it's that simple to take a below avg. jump shooter and slide him to #2/b]]

• Top 5 2018 draft is better than this draft. There's no way Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Tatum and Isaacs hold a candle to Doncic, Ayton, Bamba, Porter... and we can get two of those
• Fultz is not a generational talent. He's definitely talented and has potential to be great, but I put his prospect at a Wiggins, Parker level but definitely below a Kobe, Lebron or even Kyrie. 

He's EASILY the best offensive talent in this year's draft.  Exactly what we NEED.

• IT and Fultz cannot play together on this team with no rim protection... we'd be run through by any team with a half decent lineup.

They can play together.  They would be problems for other teams to deal with as well

• Tatum is the best prospect for this team's future. For some reason draft hype always props up highly athletic prospects.
  Jackson's skill set offensively is far too immature for me to project he'll ever be anything more than a pesky defender... Tatum on the other hand is the truth... pure scorer at the SF position and defensive potential

What defensive potential?  You mean the same potential Fultz has.  Plus Fultz IS the better offensive talent

• Terry Rozier has proven himself as a competent PG and the 2nd best PG on this team. The reason he hasn't been traded is because he is exactly what we need on our 2nd unit and most of the dislike has been more about name recognition than his performance. If Fultz came in as a 2nd year player and balled out like Rozier we'd all be saying the future is bright, but because he came in as an unheralded pick, he's disposable

I like Rozier.  But, please....

• Our window for competing is wide open and isn't closing anytime soon. We are amongst the youngest teams in the NBA and we are coming off a season where we won the Eastern Conference. We don't need to rush making the next step

We're not close to realistically challenging the Cavs or GSW anytime soon

2018 Celtics look like a death squad
IT/Rozier
Jaylen/Smart
Hayward /Crowder/Tatum
/???
Horford/Zizic

And two from Ayton/Bamba/Porter/Doncic.

Danny make the trade!!!

Danny, take Fultz!  Teams rarely get the #1 pick, you have it.  The decision is easy

Arguing the quality of our backcourt has been done to death, so I guess we're just on different sides of the coin my friend. But with this  team, if I'm given the choice of adding Fultz + Ayton/Bamba or Tatum/Jackson + Porter + Ayton/Bamba, I'm taking option 2 all day every day.

Im taking option 1 all day. Why do we need 3 SFs on rookie salaries competing for the same jobs. And none of them shoot as well as Fultz.

Our system runs on ball handlers, wings and bigs. So saying all would be vying for SF in our system is not exactly accurate... even though we still use the traditional positions in discussions. But Crowder sees time as a 4 when we go small... Porter is 6'10" no issues there... Actually the Warriors run similar lineups with KD at 4, Iggy at 3 and Klay at 2

We don't have ball handlers!!  Our guards can barely dribble.  None of them can take their defender of the dribble.  Crowder sucks!  He's a "great" contract who better be coming off the bench soon.  And how are u already banking on getting Porter or Bamba or Ayton?  What if they don't pan out in college?  Or get injured?  Or we get the #7th pick?

[__ramonezy__]

In what world do we have championship guards?? The champs have a better back court than us, along with being superior at almost all positions.

Washington has a better back-court than we do. Tell me you wouldn't trade IT and Avery
straight up for Wall/Beal ? seriously.

I would do that trade in a heartbeat. Don't know what you're getting at... I said we have championship caliber guards, not the best guards. So let me put it another way, we won 50+ games and made it to the ECF largely based on our guard play. If you disagree with that let me know... simply put our guards aren't our weakness, they're our strength

[BlackCeltic]

In what world do we have championship guards?? The champs have a better back court than us, along with being superior at almost all positions.

Washington has a better back-court than we do. Tell me you wouldn't trade IT and Avery
straight up for Wall/Beal ? seriously.

I would do that trade in a heartbeat. Don't know what you're getting at... I said we have championship caliber guards, not the best guards. So let me put it another way, we won 50+ games and made it to the ECF largely based on our guard play. If you disagree with that let me know... simply put our guards aren't our weakness, they're our strength

So are you in the camp of wanting to resign Avery Bradley? I much rather have Fultz and trade AB.

[__ramonezy__]

Seeing the flare up over a trade of our #1 pick has shown how extremely short sighted we are as fans. I'm going to say some things that will make a lot of people mad but it's simply the truth.

• We don't need Fultz!!! On this team he's a luxury, we have championship caliber guards already, we need to strengthen our front court or we'll be just like the Wizards or Blazers. Fultz at Jordan level won't get us over the hump simply because our alternatives at that position already bring so much to the table. This point is doubly hammered home if we get Hayward in FA

I can't believe people around here think our "stacked" backcourt is championship caliber or sufficient enough to even compete for a championship.  There is absolutely no consistent offensive production coming from anyone when IT is out or on the bench.  There is no one who can dribble or much less create their own shot.  There is no one we can go to when we desperately need a bucket. We NEED all the scorers/playmakers we can get including Hayward

• If we get 2018 Lakers unprotected we will have the 1st round picks of the two teams projected to be the worst next year where the top prospects are actually at positions of great need... Bamba, Ayton, or if we want a scorer we go Porter and move a 3rd year Brown to SG we would immediately improve our oncourt size... which we currently clock in as the shortest team in the NBA

Our greatest position of need is someone who is a naturally gifted scorer/playmaker PERIOD!  We are taking a huge risk "hoping" these draft picks land in the top 3 or 4.  Ask PHX how this year's draft order worked out for them.  Also, I don't understand all this talk about simply move Jaylen to the #2 spot. Like it's that simple to take a below avg. jump shooter and slide him to #2/b]]

• Top 5 2018 draft is better than this draft. There's no way Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Tatum and Isaacs hold a candle to Doncic, Ayton, Bamba, Porter... and we can get two of those
• Fultz is not a generational talent. He's definitely talented and has potential to be great, but I put his prospect at a Wiggins, Parker level but definitely below a Kobe, Lebron or even Kyrie. 

He's EASILY the best offensive talent in this year's draft.  Exactly what we NEED.

• IT and Fultz cannot play together on this team with no rim protection... we'd be run through by any team with a half decent lineup.

They can play together.  They would be problems for other teams to deal with as well

• Tatum is the best prospect for this team's future. For some reason draft hype always props up highly athletic prospects.
  Jackson's skill set offensively is far too immature for me to project he'll ever be anything more than a pesky defender... Tatum on the other hand is the truth... pure scorer at the SF position and defensive potential

What defensive potential?  You mean the same potential Fultz has.  Plus Fultz IS the better offensive talent

• Terry Rozier has proven himself as a competent PG and the 2nd best PG on this team. The reason he hasn't been traded is because he is exactly what we need on our 2nd unit and most of the dislike has been more about name recognition than his performance. If Fultz came in as a 2nd year player and balled out like Rozier we'd all be saying the future is bright, but because he came in as an unheralded pick, he's disposable

I like Rozier.  But, please....

• Our window for competing is wide open and isn't closing anytime soon. We are amongst the youngest teams in the NBA and we are coming off a season where we won the Eastern Conference. We don't need to rush making the next step

We're not close to realistically challenging the Cavs or GSW anytime soon

2018 Celtics look like a death squad
IT/Rozier
Jaylen/Smart
Hayward /Crowder/Tatum
/???
Horford/Zizic

And two from Ayton/Bamba/Porter/Doncic.

Danny make the trade!!!

Danny, take Fultz!  Teams rarely get the #1 pick, you have it.  The decision is easy

Arguing the quality of our backcourt has been done to death, so I guess we're just on different sides of the coin my friend. But with this  team, if I'm given the choice of adding Fultz + Ayton/Bamba or Tatum/Jackson + Porter + Ayton/Bamba, I'm taking option 2 all day every day.

Im taking option 1 all day. Why do we need 3 SFs on rookie salaries competing for the same jobs. And none of them shoot as well as Fultz.

Our system runs on ball handlers, wings and bigs. So saying all would be vying for SF in our system is not exactly accurate... even though we still use the traditional positions in discussions. But Crowder sees time as a 4 when we go small... Porter is 6'10" no issues there... Actually the Warriors run similar lineups with KD at 4, Iggy at 3 and Klay at 2

We don't have ball handlers!!  Our guards can barely dribble.  None of them can take their defender of the dribble.  Crowder sucks!  He's a "great" contract who better be coming off the bench soon.  And how are u already banking on getting Porter or Bamba or Ayton?  What if they don't pan out in college?  Or get injured?  Or we get the #7th pick?

Ahmmm... we have a 5'9" PG that was top 3  in scoring who's known as one of the best ball handlers in the league.
I also agree that Crowder should be coming off the bench, so tell me hiw drafting Fultz achieves that?
I'm not saying Fultz isn't talented, my argument is that we simply don't need him

[Dchuck]

In what world do we have championship guards?? The champs have a better back court than us, along with being superior at almost all positions.

Washington has a better back-court than we do. Tell me you wouldn't trade IT and Avery
straight up for Wall/Beal ? seriously.

I would do that trade in a heartbeat. Don't know what you're getting at... I said we have championship caliber guards, not the best guards. So let me put it another way, we won 50+ games and made it to the ECF largely based on our guard play. If you disagree with that let me know... simply put our guards aren't our weakness, they're our strength

Answer this!

Who in our guard rotation not named IT can consistently score or get a bucket when we desperately need one?

Scratch that!

Who on our TEAM not named IT can consistently  score or get a bucket when we desperately need one?

Winning 50+ games and making the ECF was cute.  But let's stop kidding ourselves we NEED a major influx of special talent not more middling dirt dog, hustling, high motor, "dime a dozen", non dribbling, non shooting, non creating role players.  This entire team is made up of them.

[Tr1boy]

Seeing the flare up over a trade of our #1 pick has shown how extremely short sighted we are as fans. I'm going to say some things that will make a lot of people mad but it's simply the truth.

• We don't need Fultz!!! On this team he's a luxury, we have championship caliber guards already, we need to strengthen our front court or we'll be just like the Wizards or Blazers. Fultz at Jordan level won't get us over the hump simply because our alternatives at that position already bring so much to the table. This point is doubly hammered home if we get Hayward in FA

I can't believe people around here think our "stacked" backcourt is championship caliber or sufficient enough to even compete for a championship.  There is absolutely no consistent offensive production coming from anyone when IT is out or on the bench.  There is no one who can dribble or much less create their own shot.  There is no one we can go to when we desperately need a bucket. We NEED all the scorers/playmakers we can get including Hayward

• If we get 2018 Lakers unprotected we will have the 1st round picks of the two teams projected to be the worst next year where the top prospects are actually at positions of great need... Bamba, Ayton, or if we want a scorer we go Porter and move a 3rd year Brown to SG we would immediately improve our oncourt size... which we currently clock in as the shortest team in the NBA

Our greatest position of need is someone who is a naturally gifted scorer/playmaker PERIOD!  We are taking a huge risk "hoping" these draft picks land in the top 3 or 4.  Ask PHX how this year's draft order worked out for them.  Also, I don't understand all this talk about simply move Jaylen to the #2 spot. Like it's that simple to take a below avg. jump shooter and slide him to #2/b]]

• Top 5 2018 draft is better than this draft. There's no way Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Tatum and Isaacs hold a candle to Doncic, Ayton, Bamba, Porter... and we can get two of those
• Fultz is not a generational talent. He's definitely talented and has potential to be great, but I put his prospect at a Wiggins, Parker level but definitely below a Kobe, Lebron or even Kyrie. 

He's EASILY the best offensive talent in this year's draft.  Exactly what we NEED.

• IT and Fultz cannot play together on this team with no rim protection... we'd be run through by any team with a half decent lineup.

They can play together.  They would be problems for other teams to deal with as well

• Tatum is the best prospect for this team's future. For some reason draft hype always props up highly athletic prospects.
  Jackson's skill set offensively is far too immature for me to project he'll ever be anything more than a pesky defender... Tatum on the other hand is the truth... pure scorer at the SF position and defensive potential

What defensive potential?  You mean the same potential Fultz has.  Plus Fultz IS the better offensive talent

• Terry Rozier has proven himself as a competent PG and the 2nd best PG on this team. The reason he hasn't been traded is because he is exactly what we need on our 2nd unit and most of the dislike has been more about name recognition than his performance. If Fultz came in as a 2nd year player and balled out like Rozier we'd all be saying the future is bright, but because he came in as an unheralded pick, he's disposable

I like Rozier.  But, please....

• Our window for competing is wide open and isn't closing anytime soon. We are amongst the youngest teams in the NBA and we are coming off a season where we won the Eastern Conference. We don't need to rush making the next step

We're not close to realistically challenging the Cavs or GSW anytime soon

2018 Celtics look like a death squad
IT/Rozier
Jaylen/Smart
Hayward /Crowder/Tatum
/???
Horford/Zizic

And two from Ayton/Bamba/Porter/Doncic.

Danny make the trade!!!

Danny, take Fultz!  Teams rarely get the #1 pick, you have it.  The decision is easy

Arguing the quality of our backcourt has been done to death, so I guess we're just on different sides of the coin my friend. But with this  team, if I'm given the choice of adding Fultz + Ayton/Bamba or Tatum/Jackson + Porter + Ayton/Bamba, I'm taking option 2 all day every day.

Im taking option 1 all day. Why do we need 3 SFs on rookie salaries competing for the same jobs. And none of them shoot as well as Fultz.

Our system runs on ball handlers, wings and bigs. So saying all would be vying for SF in our system is not exactly accurate... even though we still use the traditional positions in discussions. But Crowder sees time as a 4 when we go small... Porter is 6'10" no issues there... Actually the Warriors run similar lineups with KD at 4, Iggy at 3 and Klay at 2

What if 2 of Porter, Ayton & Bamba somehow blow out their knees in the upcoming college season?

Lol... unless you know something I don't, can't that happen to Fultz as well? Didn't know going #1 made you immune to injuries

 

[__ramonezy__]

In what world do we have championship guards?? The champs have a better back court than us, along with being superior at almost all positions.

Washington has a better back-court than we do. Tell me you wouldn't trade IT and Avery
straight up for Wall/Beal ? seriously.

I would do that trade in a heartbeat. Don't know what you're getting at... I said we have championship caliber guards, not the best guards. So let me put it another way, we won 50+ games and made it to the ECF largely based on our guard play. If you disagree with that let me know... simply put our guards aren't our weakness, they're our strength

So are you in the camp of wanting to resign Avery Bradley? I much rather have Fultz and trade AB.

I would, if the price is right. Despite most person's desires you can't have a max salary player at every position. I like ABs role on this team and he plays it well whilst still improving offensively, so yes I believe he is a championship piece just like Iggy in GS. But I have no issues with trading AB for a Saric or even making him walk for nothing.