Gonna Say A Lot of Things to Make Some People Mad

[BlackCeltic]

In what world do we have championship guards?? The champs have a better back court than us, along with being superior at almost all positions.

Washington has a better back-court than we do. Tell me you wouldn't trade IT and Avery
straight up for Wall/Beal ? seriously.

I would do that trade in a heartbeat. Don't know what you're getting at... I said we have championship caliber guards, not the best guards. So let me put it another way, we won 50+ games and made it to the ECF largely based on our guard play. If you disagree with that let me know... simply put our guards aren't our weakness, they're our strength

Answer this!

Who in our guard rotation not named IT can consistently score or get a bucket when we desperately need one?

Scratch that!

Who on our TEAM not named IT can consistently  score or get a bucket when we desperately need one?

Winning 50+ games and making the ECF was cute.  But let's stop kidding ourselves we NEED a major influx of special talent not more middling dirt dog, hustling, high motor, "dime a dozen", non dribbling, non shooting, non creating role players.  This entire team is made up of them.

Lol that argument is simplistic, why would I name someone from our rotation other than IT that can score if IT is a part of our rotation? The 2017 team was built around IT penetrating, which is why Crowder worked on hia 3point shot and why Jaylen is now working on spot up 3s in the corner... there is no need for 2018 to be so constructed... especially if we get a Hayward

But I do agree we need more scorers, but we need players that score in different ways. Fultz method of scoring is just like ITs, so one defensive plan takes out two players. With scorers at different positions it becomes more difficult to defend. Porter at the 3 or 4 is a problem, Ayton at the 5 is a problem... the problem with our scoring now is that it is too perimeter based... so if shots not falling we're doomed.

We don't have a 2 guard that can create their own shot and finish consistently like Fultz. We need that.

You do realize that the best 2 guards can't do that right? Klay can't, Beal can't, McCollum can't so why does that now become a requirement for our success. Actually of legitimate 2 guards only DeRozan comes to mind that fit your description

So you don't want a player that comes around once every 10 years?

Definitely... Fultz is not that. Talented, but not generational. Porter is shaping up to be that kind of talent though... but only time will tell

Who in this draft is better? Josh Jackson is 2nd on my board and he is just an uber athletic Trevor Ariza to me.

Fultz is hands down the best player in this draft, but I think the second tier of talent is much closer than the media projects. So for team building purposes I'd rather someone from the close 2nd tier that fills a need than a Fultz at a position we're already stacked at. I agree with you on Jackson, my pick at #3 would be Tatum for his mature offensive game

Ok, I see you are looking at the 2018 draft but theres no guarantees there. Im looking at the 2019 draft for Zion myself, but I wouldn't trade Fultz just for a slim chance to get him.

[__ramonezy__]

In what world do we have championship guards?? The champs have a better back court than us, along with being superior at almost all positions.

Washington has a better back-court than we do. Tell me you wouldn't trade IT and Avery
straight up for Wall/Beal ? seriously.

I would do that trade in a heartbeat. Don't know what you're getting at... I said we have championship caliber guards, not the best guards. So let me put it another way, we won 50+ games and made it to the ECF largely based on our guard play. If you disagree with that let me know... simply put our guards aren't our weakness, they're our strength

Answer this!

Who in our guard rotation not named IT can consistently score or get a bucket when we desperately need one?

Scratch that!

Who on our TEAM not named IT can consistently  score or get a bucket when we desperately need one?

Winning 50+ games and making the ECF was cute.  But let's stop kidding ourselves we NEED a major influx of special talent not more middling dirt dog, hustling, high motor, "dime a dozen", non dribbling, non shooting, non creating role players.  This entire team is made up of them.

Lol that argument is simplistic, why would I name someone from our rotation other than IT that can score if IT is a part of our rotation? The 2017 team was built around IT penetrating, which is why Crowder worked on hia 3point shot and why Jaylen is now working on spot up 3s in the corner... there is no need for 2018 to be so constructed... especially if we get a Hayward

But I do agree we need more scorers, but we need players that score in different ways. Fultz method of scoring is just like ITs, so one defensive plan takes out two players. With scorers at different positions it becomes more difficult to defend. Porter at the 3 or 4 is a problem, Ayton at the 5 is a problem... the problem with our scoring now is that it is too perimeter based... so if shots not falling we're doomed.

You're making my point.

Why would you name someone other than IT?  YOU CANT!

The 2017 team built around IT was/is flawed!  If you're depending on Crowder and Jaylen turning into the shooters we need, then we really are doomed.  While we're at let's hope Kendrick Brown, Rondo and Smart develop one too.

We need scorers PERIOD!  It doesn't matter where they come from.  Look at GSW, Portland, Washington, Houston.

And u keep talking about next year's draft.  We're not guaranteed to get any of those guys.  Danny might end up trading those picks too!

This is funny, so you say I'm proving your point and then send me to look at Houston (built around Harden penetrating), Washington (built around Wall penetrating) and Blazers (built around Lillard penetrating) to say they are doing the right thing.

The 2017 team was definitely flawed, but it was also incomplete and the flaw was not our backcourt whether starting or bench.

You got me though on Danny probably trading 2018 picks 

My point in listing those teams is that they have multiple scorers in the backcourt.  It doesn't matter where scoring comes from as long as we have more than one guy who can consistently do it.  I'm tired of all these high motor guys who can't shoot!  This team has enough of them.

Our flaw was SCORING!  First and foremost! Our goal right now should be, how to add scoring!  Not high motor, defensive guys!

So you point to teams with scorers in the backcourt and then in the next sentence say scorers don't need to be in the backcourt and top it off by saying we simply need scorers... which is what I've been saying from the start. I also pointed out that it is better to have scorers at different levels to make it harder to game plan against.  So a Tatum in 2017 and a Porter/Ayton in 2018 is great to address short term scoring for a dynasty run.

Also, newsflash if Porter was in this draft Fultz would be classified on the same level as 2nd tier with Ball and everyone else

[Eja117]

Seeing the flare up over a trade of our #1 pick has shown how extremely short sighted we are as fans. I'm going to say some things that will make a lot of people mad but it's simply the truth.

• We don't need Fultz!!! On this team he's a luxury, we have championship caliber guards already, we need to strengthen our front court or we'll be just like the Wizards or Blazers. Fultz at Jordan level won't get us over the hump simply because our alternatives at that position already bring so much to the table. This point is doubly hammered home if we get Hayward in FA
• If we get 2018 Lakers unprotected we will have the 1st round picks of the two teams projected to be the worst next year where the top prospects are actually at positions of great need... Bamba, Ayton, or if we want a scorer we go Porter and move a 3rd year Brown to SG we would immediately improve our oncourt size... which we currently clock in as the shortest team in the NBA
• Top 5 2018 draft is better than this draft. There's no way Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Tatum and Isaacs hold a candle to Doncic, Ayton, Bamba, Porter... and we can get two of those
• Fultz is not a generational talent. He's definitely talented and has potential to be great, but I put his prospect at a Wiggins, Parker level but definitely below a Kobe, Lebron or even Kyrie. 
• IT and Fultz cannot play together on this team with no rim protection... we'd be run through by any team with a half decent lineup.
• Tatum is the best prospect for this team's future. For some reason draft hype always props up highly athletic prospects.
  Jackson's skill set offensively is far too immature for me to project he'll ever be anything more than a pesky defender... Tatum on the other hand is the truth... pure scorer at the SF position and defensive potential
• Terry Rozier has proven himself as a competent PG and the 2nd best PG on this team. The reason he hasn't been traded is because he is exactly what we need on our 2nd unit and most of the dislike has been more about name recognition than his performance. If Fultz came in as a 2nd year player and balled out like Rozier we'd all be saying the future is bright, but because he came in as an unheralded pick, he's disposable
• Our window for competing is wide open and isn't closing anytime soon. We are amongst the youngest teams in the NBA and we are coming off a season where we won the Eastern Conference. We don't need to rush making the next step

2018 Celtics look like a death squad
IT/Rozier
Jaylen/Smart
Hayward /Crowder/Tatum
/???
Horford/Zizic

And two from Ayton/Bamba/Porter/Doncic.

Danny make the trade!!!

None of this made me mad.  Now if you had said Tom Brady isn't the GOAT.......TRIGGERED!

[__ramonezy__]

Seeing the flare up over a trade of our #1 pick has shown how extremely short sighted we are as fans. I'm going to say some things that will make a lot of people mad but it's simply the truth.

• We don't need Fultz!!! On this team he's a luxury, we have championship caliber guards already, we need to strengthen our front court or we'll be just like the Wizards or Blazers. Fultz at Jordan level won't get us over the hump simply because our alternatives at that position already bring so much to the table. This point is doubly hammered home if we get Hayward in FA
• If we get 2018 Lakers unprotected we will have the 1st round picks of the two teams projected to be the worst next year where the top prospects are actually at positions of great need... Bamba, Ayton, or if we want a scorer we go Porter and move a 3rd year Brown to SG we would immediately improve our oncourt size... which we currently clock in as the shortest team in the NBA
• Top 5 2018 draft is better than this draft. There's no way Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Tatum and Isaacs hold a candle to Doncic, Ayton, Bamba, Porter... and we can get two of those
• Fultz is not a generational talent. He's definitely talented and has potential to be great, but I put his prospect at a Wiggins, Parker level but definitely below a Kobe, Lebron or even Kyrie. 
• IT and Fultz cannot play together on this team with no rim protection... we'd be run through by any team with a half decent lineup.
• Tatum is the best prospect for this team's future. For some reason draft hype always props up highly athletic prospects.
  Jackson's skill set offensively is far too immature for me to project he'll ever be anything more than a pesky defender... Tatum on the other hand is the truth... pure scorer at the SF position and defensive potential
• Terry Rozier has proven himself as a competent PG and the 2nd best PG on this team. The reason he hasn't been traded is because he is exactly what we need on our 2nd unit and most of the dislike has been more about name recognition than his performance. If Fultz came in as a 2nd year player and balled out like Rozier we'd all be saying the future is bright, but because he came in as an unheralded pick, he's disposable
• Our window for competing is wide open and isn't closing anytime soon. We are amongst the youngest teams in the NBA and we are coming off a season where we won the Eastern Conference. We don't need to rush making the next step

2018 Celtics look like a death squad
IT/Rozier
Jaylen/Smart
Hayward /Crowder/Tatum
/???
Horford/Zizic

And two from Ayton/Bamba/Porter/Doncic.

Danny make the trade!!!

None of this made me mad.  Now if you had said Tom Brady isn't the GOAT.......TRIGGERED!

lol that's beyond debate

[Dchuck]

In what world do we have championship guards?? The champs have a better back court than us, along with being superior at almost all positions.

Washington has a better back-court than we do. Tell me you wouldn't trade IT and Avery
straight up for Wall/Beal ? seriously.

I would do that trade in a heartbeat. Don't know what you're getting at... I said we have championship caliber guards, not the best guards. So let me put it another way, we won 50+ games and made it to the ECF largely based on our guard play. If you disagree with that let me know... simply put our guards aren't our weakness, they're our strength

Answer this!

Who in our guard rotation not named IT can consistently score or get a bucket when we desperately need one?

Scratch that!

Who on our TEAM not named IT can consistently  score or get a bucket when we desperately need one?

Winning 50+ games and making the ECF was cute.  But let's stop kidding ourselves we NEED a major influx of special talent not more middling dirt dog, hustling, high motor, "dime a dozen", non dribbling, non shooting, non creating role players.  This entire team is made up of them.

Lol that argument is simplistic, why would I name someone from our rotation other than IT that can score if IT is a part of our rotation? The 2017 team was built around IT penetrating, which is why Crowder worked on hia 3point shot and why Jaylen is now working on spot up 3s in the corner... there is no need for 2018 to be so constructed... especially if we get a Hayward

But I do agree we need more scorers, but we need players that score in different ways. Fultz method of scoring is just like ITs, so one defensive plan takes out two players. With scorers at different positions it becomes more difficult to defend. Porter at the 3 or 4 is a problem, Ayton at the 5 is a problem... the problem with our scoring now is that it is too perimeter based... so if shots not falling we're doomed.

You're making my point.

Why would you name someone other than IT?  YOU CANT!

The 2017 team built around IT was/is flawed!  If you're depending on Crowder and Jaylen turning into the shooters we need, then we really are doomed.  While we're at let's hope Kendrick Brown, Rondo and Smart develop one too.

We need scorers PERIOD!  It doesn't matter where they come from.  Look at GSW, Portland, Washington, Houston.

And u keep talking about next year's draft.  We're not guaranteed to get any of those guys.  Danny might end up trading those picks too!

This is funny, so you say I'm proving your point and then send me to look at Houston (built around Harden penetrating), Washington (built around Wall penetrating) and Blazers (built around Lillard penetrating) to say they are doing the right thing.

The 2017 team was definitely flawed, but it was also incomplete and the flaw was not our backcourt whether starting or bench.

You got me though on Danny probably trading 2018 picks 

My point in listing those teams is that they have multiple scorers in the backcourt.  It doesn't matter where scoring comes from as long as we have more than one guy who can consistently do it.  I'm tired of all these high motor guys who can't shoot!  This team has enough of them.

Our flaw was SCORING!  First and foremost! Our goal right now should be, how to add scoring!  Not high motor, defensive guys!

So you point to teams with scorers in the backcourt and then in the next sentence say scorers don't need to be in the backcourt and top it off by saying we simply need scorers... which is what I've been saying from the start. I also pointed out that it is better to have scorers at different levels to make it harder to game plan against.  So a Tatum in 2017 and a Porter/Ayton in 2018 is great to address short term scoring for a dynasty run.

Also, newsflash if Porter was in this draft Fultz would be classified on the same level as 2nd tier with Ball and everyone else

Let me clarify...

I don't give a rat's arse where scoring comes from, PERIOD!  We just need more of it.  Fultz is the best scorer in the draft who can do it at all three levels, he has  the most offensive tools, is versatile enough to play both guard positions,  is beyond his years when running the pick n roll.

Newsflash, how do u know we're getting Porter???

[__ramonezy__]

In what world do we have championship guards?? The champs have a better back court than us, along with being superior at almost all positions.

Washington has a better back-court than we do. Tell me you wouldn't trade IT and Avery
straight up for Wall/Beal ? seriously.

I would do that trade in a heartbeat. Don't know what you're getting at... I said we have championship caliber guards, not the best guards. So let me put it another way, we won 50+ games and made it to the ECF largely based on our guard play. If you disagree with that let me know... simply put our guards aren't our weakness, they're our strength

Answer this!

Who in our guard rotation not named IT can consistently score or get a bucket when we desperately need one?

Scratch that!

Who on our TEAM not named IT can consistently  score or get a bucket when we desperately need one?

Winning 50+ games and making the ECF was cute.  But let's stop kidding ourselves we NEED a major influx of special talent not more middling dirt dog, hustling, high motor, "dime a dozen", non dribbling, non shooting, non creating role players.  This entire team is made up of them.

Lol that argument is simplistic, why would I name someone from our rotation other than IT that can score if IT is a part of our rotation? The 2017 team was built around IT penetrating, which is why Crowder worked on hia 3point shot and why Jaylen is now working on spot up 3s in the corner... there is no need for 2018 to be so constructed... especially if we get a Hayward

But I do agree we need more scorers, but we need players that score in different ways. Fultz method of scoring is just like ITs, so one defensive plan takes out two players. With scorers at different positions it becomes more difficult to defend. Porter at the 3 or 4 is a problem, Ayton at the 5 is a problem... the problem with our scoring now is that it is too perimeter based... so if shots not falling we're doomed.

We don't have a 2 guard that can create their own shot and finish consistently like Fultz. We need that.

You do realize that the best 2 guards can't do that right? Klay can't, Beal can't, McCollum can't so why does that now become a requirement for our success. Actually of legitimate 2 guards only DeRozan comes to mind that fit your description

So you don't want a player that comes around once every 10 years?

Definitely... Fultz is not that. Talented, but not generational. Porter is shaping up to be that kind of talent though... but only time will tell

Who in this draft is better? Josh Jackson is 2nd on my board and he is just an uber athletic Trevor Ariza to me.

Fultz is hands down the best player in this draft, but I think the second tier of talent is much closer than the media projects. So for team building purposes I'd rather someone from the close 2nd tier that fills a need than a Fultz at a position we're already stacked at. I agree with you on Jackson, my pick at #3 would be Tatum for his mature offensive game

Ok, I see you are looking at the 2018 draft but theres no guarantees there. Im looking at the 2019 draft for Zion myself, but I wouldn't trade Fultz just for a slim chance to get him.

Yeah it's a huge gamble, but I honestly can't point to two teams that will be worse than the Lakers and Nets next season. I actually put Porter on KD level prospect. Could change but out of high school this kid is the truth

[__ramonezy__]

In what world do we have championship guards?? The champs have a better back court than us, along with being superior at almost all positions.

Washington has a better back-court than we do. Tell me you wouldn't trade IT and Avery
straight up for Wall/Beal ? seriously.

I would do that trade in a heartbeat. Don't know what you're getting at... I said we have championship caliber guards, not the best guards. So let me put it another way, we won 50+ games and made it to the ECF largely based on our guard play. If you disagree with that let me know... simply put our guards aren't our weakness, they're our strength

Answer this!

Who in our guard rotation not named IT can consistently score or get a bucket when we desperately need one?

Scratch that!

Who on our TEAM not named IT can consistently  score or get a bucket when we desperately need one?

Winning 50+ games and making the ECF was cute.  But let's stop kidding ourselves we NEED a major influx of special talent not more middling dirt dog, hustling, high motor, "dime a dozen", non dribbling, non shooting, non creating role players.  This entire team is made up of them.

Lol that argument is simplistic, why would I name someone from our rotation other than IT that can score if IT is a part of our rotation? The 2017 team was built around IT penetrating, which is why Crowder worked on hia 3point shot and why Jaylen is now working on spot up 3s in the corner... there is no need for 2018 to be so constructed... especially if we get a Hayward

But I do agree we need more scorers, but we need players that score in different ways. Fultz method of scoring is just like ITs, so one defensive plan takes out two players. With scorers at different positions it becomes more difficult to defend. Porter at the 3 or 4 is a problem, Ayton at the 5 is a problem... the problem with our scoring now is that it is too perimeter based... so if shots not falling we're doomed.

You're making my point.

Why would you name someone other than IT?  YOU CANT!

The 2017 team built around IT was/is flawed!  If you're depending on Crowder and Jaylen turning into the shooters we need, then we really are doomed.  While we're at let's hope Kendrick Brown, Rondo and Smart develop one too.

We need scorers PERIOD!  It doesn't matter where they come from.  Look at GSW, Portland, Washington, Houston.

And u keep talking about next year's draft.  We're not guaranteed to get any of those guys.  Danny might end up trading those picks too!

This is funny, so you say I'm proving your point and then send me to look at Houston (built around Harden penetrating), Washington (built around Wall penetrating) and Blazers (built around Lillard penetrating) to say they are doing the right thing.

The 2017 team was definitely flawed, but it was also incomplete and the flaw was not our backcourt whether starting or bench.

You got me though on Danny probably trading 2018 picks 

My point in listing those teams is that they have multiple scorers in the backcourt.  It doesn't matter where scoring comes from as long as we have more than one guy who can consistently do it.  I'm tired of all these high motor guys who can't shoot!  This team has enough of them.

Our flaw was SCORING!  First and foremost! Our goal right now should be, how to add scoring!  Not high motor, defensive guys!

So you point to teams with scorers in the backcourt and then in the next sentence say scorers don't need to be in the backcourt and top it off by saying we simply need scorers... which is what I've been saying from the start. I also pointed out that it is better to have scorers at different levels to make it harder to game plan against.  So a Tatum in 2017 and a Porter/Ayton in 2018 is great to address short term scoring for a dynasty run.

Also, newsflash if Porter was in this draft Fultz would be classified on the same level as 2nd tier with Ball and everyone else

Let me clarify...

I don't give a rat's arse where scoring comes from, PERIOD!  We just need more of it.  Fultz is the best scorer in the draft who can do it at all three levels, he has  the most offensive tools, is versatile enough to play both guard positions,  is beyond his years when running the pick n roll.

Newsflash, how do u know we're getting Porter???

But that is why what you're proposing is not ideal for how we are built. Fultz is not strong enough defensively to play the 2 with IT, so lineups with both of them on the floor at the same time would be a minimum... so we would be getting a bench scorer not an additional scorer if they can't coexist on the court. Now if we get a serious upgrade at rim protector then this becomes feasible, but we already have Horford. If we get a Tatum that adds another scorer on the court at the same time... we don't just need more scorers, we need scorers that can coexist

[BlackCeltic]

In what world do we have championship guards?? The champs have a better back court than us, along with being superior at almost all positions.

Washington has a better back-court than we do. Tell me you wouldn't trade IT and Avery
straight up for Wall/Beal ? seriously.

I would do that trade in a heartbeat. Don't know what you're getting at... I said we have championship caliber guards, not the best guards. So let me put it another way, we won 50+ games and made it to the ECF largely based on our guard play. If you disagree with that let me know... simply put our guards aren't our weakness, they're our strength

Answer this!

Who in our guard rotation not named IT can consistently score or get a bucket when we desperately need one?

Scratch that!

Who on our TEAM not named IT can consistently  score or get a bucket when we desperately need one?

Winning 50+ games and making the ECF was cute.  But let's stop kidding ourselves we NEED a major influx of special talent not more middling dirt dog, hustling, high motor, "dime a dozen", non dribbling, non shooting, non creating role players.  This entire team is made up of them.

Lol that argument is simplistic, why would I name someone from our rotation other than IT that can score if IT is a part of our rotation? The 2017 team was built around IT penetrating, which is why Crowder worked on hia 3point shot and why Jaylen is now working on spot up 3s in the corner... there is no need for 2018 to be so constructed... especially if we get a Hayward

But I do agree we need more scorers, but we need players that score in different ways. Fultz method of scoring is just like ITs, so one defensive plan takes out two players. With scorers at different positions it becomes more difficult to defend. Porter at the 3 or 4 is a problem, Ayton at the 5 is a problem... the problem with our scoring now is that it is too perimeter based... so if shots not falling we're doomed.

You're making my point.

Why would you name someone other than IT?  YOU CANT!

The 2017 team built around IT was/is flawed!  If you're depending on Crowder and Jaylen turning into the shooters we need, then we really are doomed.  While we're at let's hope Kendrick Brown, Rondo and Smart develop one too.

We need scorers PERIOD!  It doesn't matter where they come from.  Look at GSW, Portland, Washington, Houston.

And u keep talking about next year's draft.  We're not guaranteed to get any of those guys.  Danny might end up trading those picks too!

This is funny, so you say I'm proving your point and then send me to look at Houston (built around Harden penetrating), Washington (built around Wall penetrating) and Blazers (built around Lillard penetrating) to say they are doing the right thing.

The 2017 team was definitely flawed, but it was also incomplete and the flaw was not our backcourt whether starting or bench.

You got me though on Danny probably trading 2018 picks 

My point in listing those teams is that they have multiple scorers in the backcourt.  It doesn't matter where scoring comes from as long as we have more than one guy who can consistently do it.  I'm tired of all these high motor guys who can't shoot!  This team has enough of them.

Our flaw was SCORING!  First and foremost! Our goal right now should be, how to add scoring!  Not high motor, defensive guys!

So you point to teams with scorers in the backcourt and then in the next sentence say scorers don't need to be in the backcourt and top it off by saying we simply need scorers... which is what I've been saying from the start. I also pointed out that it is better to have scorers at different levels to make it harder to game plan against.  So a Tatum in 2017 and a Porter/Ayton in 2018 is great to address short term scoring for a dynasty run.

Also, newsflash if Porter was in this draft Fultz would be classified on the same level as 2nd tier with Ball and everyone else

That's debatable since Porter and Fultz were on the same USA team and Fultz was the best player. But why would you want a team with Tatum, Porter, AND Brown?

[__ramonezy__]

In what world do we have championship guards?? The champs have a better back court than us, along with being superior at almost all positions.

Washington has a better back-court than we do. Tell me you wouldn't trade IT and Avery
straight up for Wall/Beal ? seriously.

I would do that trade in a heartbeat. Don't know what you're getting at... I said we have championship caliber guards, not the best guards. So let me put it another way, we won 50+ games and made it to the ECF largely based on our guard play. If you disagree with that let me know... simply put our guards aren't our weakness, they're our strength

Answer this!

Who in our guard rotation not named IT can consistently score or get a bucket when we desperately need one?

Scratch that!

Who on our TEAM not named IT can consistently  score or get a bucket when we desperately need one?

Winning 50+ games and making the ECF was cute.  But let's stop kidding ourselves we NEED a major influx of special talent not more middling dirt dog, hustling, high motor, "dime a dozen", non dribbling, non shooting, non creating role players.  This entire team is made up of them.

Lol that argument is simplistic, why would I name someone from our rotation other than IT that can score if IT is a part of our rotation? The 2017 team was built around IT penetrating, which is why Crowder worked on hia 3point shot and why Jaylen is now working on spot up 3s in the corner... there is no need for 2018 to be so constructed... especially if we get a Hayward

But I do agree we need more scorers, but we need players that score in different ways. Fultz method of scoring is just like ITs, so one defensive plan takes out two players. With scorers at different positions it becomes more difficult to defend. Porter at the 3 or 4 is a problem, Ayton at the 5 is a problem... the problem with our scoring now is that it is too perimeter based... so if shots not falling we're doomed.

You're making my point.

Why would you name someone other than IT?  YOU CANT!

The 2017 team built around IT was/is flawed!  If you're depending on Crowder and Jaylen turning into the shooters we need, then we really are doomed.  While we're at let's hope Kendrick Brown, Rondo and Smart develop one too.

We need scorers PERIOD!  It doesn't matter where they come from.  Look at GSW, Portland, Washington, Houston.

And u keep talking about next year's draft.  We're not guaranteed to get any of those guys.  Danny might end up trading those picks too!

This is funny, so you say I'm proving your point and then send me to look at Houston (built around Harden penetrating), Washington (built around Wall penetrating) and Blazers (built around Lillard penetrating) to say they are doing the right thing.

The 2017 team was definitely flawed, but it was also incomplete and the flaw was not our backcourt whether starting or bench.

You got me though on Danny probably trading 2018 picks 

My point in listing those teams is that they have multiple scorers in the backcourt.  It doesn't matter where scoring comes from as long as we have more than one guy who can consistently do it.  I'm tired of all these high motor guys who can't shoot!  This team has enough of them.

Our flaw was SCORING!  First and foremost! Our goal right now should be, how to add scoring!  Not high motor, defensive guys!

So you point to teams with scorers in the backcourt and then in the next sentence say scorers don't need to be in the backcourt and top it off by saying we simply need scorers... which is what I've been saying from the start. I also pointed out that it is better to have scorers at different levels to make it harder to game plan against.  So a Tatum in 2017 and a Porter/Ayton in 2018 is great to address short term scoring for a dynasty run.

Also, newsflash if Porter was in this draft Fultz would be classified on the same level as 2nd tier with Ball and everyone else

That's debatable since Porter and Fultz were on the same USA team and Fultz was the best player. But why would you want a team with Tatum, Porter, AND Brown?

Scoring flexibility... Porter can play 3 and 4...who knows if he grows an inch maybe even spells at 5. Jaylen can play 2 or 3, especially if his handles improve and Tatum is a scoring wing that's deadly midrange

[Dchuck]

In what world do we have championship guards?? The champs have a better back court than us, along with being superior at almost all positions.

Washington has a better back-court than we do. Tell me you wouldn't trade IT and Avery
straight up for Wall/Beal ? seriously.

I would do that trade in a heartbeat. Don't know what you're getting at... I said we have championship caliber guards, not the best guards. So let me put it another way, we won 50+ games and made it to the ECF largely based on our guard play. If you disagree with that let me know... simply put our guards aren't our weakness, they're our strength

Answer this!

Who in our guard rotation not named IT can consistently score or get a bucket when we desperately need one?

Scratch that!

Who on our TEAM not named IT can consistently  score or get a bucket when we desperately need one?

Winning 50+ games and making the ECF was cute.  But let's stop kidding ourselves we NEED a major influx of special talent not more middling dirt dog, hustling, high motor, "dime a dozen", non dribbling, non shooting, non creating role players.  This entire team is made up of them.

Lol that argument is simplistic, why would I name someone from our rotation other than IT that can score if IT is a part of our rotation? The 2017 team was built around IT penetrating, which is why Crowder worked on hia 3point shot and why Jaylen is now working on spot up 3s in the corner... there is no need for 2018 to be so constructed... especially if we get a Hayward

But I do agree we need more scorers, but we need players that score in different ways. Fultz method of scoring is just like ITs, so one defensive plan takes out two players. With scorers at different positions it becomes more difficult to defend. Porter at the 3 or 4 is a problem, Ayton at the 5 is a problem... the problem with our scoring now is that it is too perimeter based... so if shots not falling we're doomed.

You're making my point.

Why would you name someone other than IT?  YOU CANT!

The 2017 team built around IT was/is flawed!  If you're depending on Crowder and Jaylen turning into the shooters we need, then we really are doomed.  While we're at let's hope Kendrick Brown, Rondo and Smart develop one too.

We need scorers PERIOD!  It doesn't matter where they come from.  Look at GSW, Portland, Washington, Houston.

And u keep talking about next year's draft.  We're not guaranteed to get any of those guys.  Danny might end up trading those picks too!

This is funny, so you say I'm proving your point and then send me to look at Houston (built around Harden penetrating), Washington (built around Wall penetrating) and Blazers (built around Lillard penetrating) to say they are doing the right thing.

The 2017 team was definitely flawed, but it was also incomplete and the flaw was not our backcourt whether starting or bench.

You got me though on Danny probably trading 2018 picks 

My point in listing those teams is that they have multiple scorers in the backcourt.  It doesn't matter where scoring comes from as long as we have more than one guy who can consistently do it.  I'm tired of all these high motor guys who can't shoot!  This team has enough of them.

Our flaw was SCORING!  First and foremost! Our goal right now should be, how to add scoring!  Not high motor, defensive guys!

So you point to teams with scorers in the backcourt and then in the next sentence say scorers don't need to be in the backcourt and top it off by saying we simply need scorers... which is what I've been saying from the start. I also pointed out that it is better to have scorers at different levels to make it harder to game plan against.  So a Tatum in 2017 and a Porter/Ayton in 2018 is great to address short term scoring for a dynasty run.

Also, newsflash if Porter was in this draft Fultz would be classified on the same level as 2nd tier with Ball and everyone else

Let me clarify...

I don't give a rat's arse where scoring comes from, PERIOD!  We just need more of it.  Fultz is the best scorer in the draft who can do it at all three levels, he has  the most offensive tools, is versatile enough to play both guard positions,  is beyond his years when running the pick n roll.

Newsflash, how do u know we're getting Porter???

But that is why what you're proposing is not ideal for how we are built. Fultz is not strong enough defensively to play the 2 with IT, so lineups with both of them on the floor at the same time would be a minimum... so we would be getting a bench scorer not an additional scorer if they can't coexist on the court. Now if we get a serious upgrade at rim protector then this becomes feasible, but we already have Horford. If we get a Tatum that adds another scorer on the court at the same time... we don't just need more scorers, we need scorers that can coexist

Who says they can't coexist?  Not only do I think they can coexist, I think it makes them more versatile and dangerous in the backcourt.  They both can play off the ball.  They would create matchup nightmares for opposing defenses.  Also, one of them can be on the floor at all times while the other is getting a breather.

And why do you keep knocking his defense.  Can he not get stronger?  Can he not improve defensively?  Does he not have the physical tools to become a good defender? Tatum is just as soft if not softer.

[BlackCeltic]

In what world do we have championship guards?? The champs have a better back court than us, along with being superior at almost all positions.

Washington has a better back-court than we do. Tell me you wouldn't trade IT and Avery
straight up for Wall/Beal ? seriously.

I would do that trade in a heartbeat. Don't know what you're getting at... I said we have championship caliber guards, not the best guards. So let me put it another way, we won 50+ games and made it to the ECF largely based on our guard play. If you disagree with that let me know... simply put our guards aren't our weakness, they're our strength

Answer this!

Who in our guard rotation not named IT can consistently score or get a bucket when we desperately need one?

Scratch that!

Who on our TEAM not named IT can consistently  score or get a bucket when we desperately need one?

Winning 50+ games and making the ECF was cute.  But let's stop kidding ourselves we NEED a major influx of special talent not more middling dirt dog, hustling, high motor, "dime a dozen", non dribbling, non shooting, non creating role players.  This entire team is made up of them.

Lol that argument is simplistic, why would I name someone from our rotation other than IT that can score if IT is a part of our rotation? The 2017 team was built around IT penetrating, which is why Crowder worked on hia 3point shot and why Jaylen is now working on spot up 3s in the corner... there is no need for 2018 to be so constructed... especially if we get a Hayward

But I do agree we need more scorers, but we need players that score in different ways. Fultz method of scoring is just like ITs, so one defensive plan takes out two players. With scorers at different positions it becomes more difficult to defend. Porter at the 3 or 4 is a problem, Ayton at the 5 is a problem... the problem with our scoring now is that it is too perimeter based... so if shots not falling we're doomed.

You're making my point.

Why would you name someone other than IT?  YOU CANT!

The 2017 team built around IT was/is flawed!  If you're depending on Crowder and Jaylen turning into the shooters we need, then we really are doomed.  While we're at let's hope Kendrick Brown, Rondo and Smart develop one too.

We need scorers PERIOD!  It doesn't matter where they come from.  Look at GSW, Portland, Washington, Houston.

And u keep talking about next year's draft.  We're not guaranteed to get any of those guys.  Danny might end up trading those picks too!

This is funny, so you say I'm proving your point and then send me to look at Houston (built around Harden penetrating), Washington (built around Wall penetrating) and Blazers (built around Lillard penetrating) to say they are doing the right thing.

The 2017 team was definitely flawed, but it was also incomplete and the flaw was not our backcourt whether starting or bench.

You got me though on Danny probably trading 2018 picks 

My point in listing those teams is that they have multiple scorers in the backcourt.  It doesn't matter where scoring comes from as long as we have more than one guy who can consistently do it.  I'm tired of all these high motor guys who can't shoot!  This team has enough of them.

Our flaw was SCORING!  First and foremost! Our goal right now should be, how to add scoring!  Not high motor, defensive guys!

So you point to teams with scorers in the backcourt and then in the next sentence say scorers don't need to be in the backcourt and top it off by saying we simply need scorers... which is what I've been saying from the start. I also pointed out that it is better to have scorers at different levels to make it harder to game plan against.  So a Tatum in 2017 and a Porter/Ayton in 2018 is great to address short term scoring for a dynasty run.

Also, newsflash if Porter was in this draft Fultz would be classified on the same level as 2nd tier with Ball and everyone else

That's debatable since Porter and Fultz were on the same USA team and Fultz was the best player. But why would you want a team with Tatum, Porter, AND Brown?

Scoring flexibility... Porter can play 3 and 4...who knows if he grows an inch maybe even spells at 5. Jaylen can play 2 or 3, especially if his handles improve and Tatum is a scoring wing that's deadly midrange

Jaylen is 3 that can play 2. But Tatum and Porter are too similar. I see way more flexibility if you have Fultz, Brown, and Porter.

Fultz 2 or 1
Brown 3 or 2
Porter 3 or 4

That's 4 positions covered over your squads 3.

[Dchuck]

In what world do we have championship guards?? The champs have a better back court than us, along with being superior at almost all positions.

Washington has a better back-court than we do. Tell me you wouldn't trade IT and Avery
straight up for Wall/Beal ? seriously.

I would do that trade in a heartbeat. Don't know what you're getting at... I said we have championship caliber guards, not the best guards. So let me put it another way, we won 50+ games and made it to the ECF largely based on our guard play. If you disagree with that let me know... simply put our guards aren't our weakness, they're our strength

Answer this!

Who in our guard rotation not named IT can consistently score or get a bucket when we desperately need one?

Scratch that!

Who on our TEAM not named IT can consistently  score or get a bucket when we desperately need one?

Winning 50+ games and making the ECF was cute.  But let's stop kidding ourselves we NEED a major influx of special talent not more middling dirt dog, hustling, high motor, "dime a dozen", non dribbling, non shooting, non creating role players.  This entire team is made up of them.

Lol that argument is simplistic, why would I name someone from our rotation other than IT that can score if IT is a part of our rotation? The 2017 team was built around IT penetrating, which is why Crowder worked on hia 3point shot and why Jaylen is now working on spot up 3s in the corner... there is no need for 2018 to be so constructed... especially if we get a Hayward

But I do agree we need more scorers, but we need players that score in different ways. Fultz method of scoring is just like ITs, so one defensive plan takes out two players. With scorers at different positions it becomes more difficult to defend. Porter at the 3 or 4 is a problem, Ayton at the 5 is a problem... the problem with our scoring now is that it is too perimeter based... so if shots not falling we're doomed.

You're making my point.

Why would you name someone other than IT?  YOU CANT!

The 2017 team built around IT was/is flawed!  If you're depending on Crowder and Jaylen turning into the shooters we need, then we really are doomed.  While we're at let's hope Kendrick Brown, Rondo and Smart develop one too.

We need scorers PERIOD!  It doesn't matter where they come from.  Look at GSW, Portland, Washington, Houston.

And u keep talking about next year's draft.  We're not guaranteed to get any of those guys.  Danny might end up trading those picks too!

This is funny, so you say I'm proving your point and then send me to look at Houston (built around Harden penetrating), Washington (built around Wall penetrating) and Blazers (built around Lillard penetrating) to say they are doing the right thing.

The 2017 team was definitely flawed, but it was also incomplete and the flaw was not our backcourt whether starting or bench.

You got me though on Danny probably trading 2018 picks 

My point in listing those teams is that they have multiple scorers in the backcourt.  It doesn't matter where scoring comes from as long as we have more than one guy who can consistently do it.  I'm tired of all these high motor guys who can't shoot!  This team has enough of them.

Our flaw was SCORING!  First and foremost! Our goal right now should be, how to add scoring!  Not high motor, defensive guys!

So you point to teams with scorers in the backcourt and then in the next sentence say scorers don't need to be in the backcourt and top it off by saying we simply need scorers... which is what I've been saying from the start. I also pointed out that it is better to have scorers at different levels to make it harder to game plan against.  So a Tatum in 2017 and a Porter/Ayton in 2018 is great to address short term scoring for a dynasty run.

Also, newsflash if Porter was in this draft Fultz would be classified on the same level as 2nd tier with Ball and everyone else

That's debatable since Porter and Fultz were on the same USA team and Fultz was the best player. But why would you want a team with Tatum, Porter, AND Brown?

Scoring flexibility... Porter can play 3 and 4...who knows if he grows an inch maybe even spells at 5. Jaylen can play 2 or 3, especially if his handles improve and Tatum is a scoring wing that's deadly midrange

Why do u keep bringing up Porter?

1. We don't know if he'll be available to us where we pick

2.  Danny will probably trade that pick too

[PaulP34]

Seeing the flare up over a trade of our #1 pick has shown how extremely short sighted we are as fans. I'm going to say some things that will make a lot of people mad but it's simply the truth.

• We don't need Fultz!!! On this team he's a luxury, we have championship caliber guards already, we need to strengthen our front court or we'll be just like the Wizards or Blazers. Fultz at Jordan level won't get us over the hump simply because our alternatives at that position already bring so much to the table. This point is doubly hammered home if we get Hayward in FA

I can't believe people around here think our "stacked" backcourt is championship caliber or sufficient enough to even compete for a championship.  There is absolutely no consistent offensive production coming from anyone when IT is out or on the bench.  There is no one who can dribble or much less create their own shot.  There is no one we can go to when we desperately need a bucket. We NEED all the scorers/playmakers we can get including Hayward

• If we get 2018 Lakers unprotected we will have the 1st round picks of the two teams projected to be the worst next year where the top prospects are actually at positions of great need... Bamba, Ayton, or if we want a scorer we go Porter and move a 3rd year Brown to SG we would immediately improve our oncourt size... which we currently clock in as the shortest team in the NBA

Our greatest position of need is someone who is a naturally gifted scorer/playmaker PERIOD!  We are taking a huge risk "hoping" these draft picks land in the top 3 or 4.  Ask PHX how this year's draft order worked out for them.  Also, I don't understand all this talk about simply move Jaylen to the #2 spot. Like it's that simple to take a below avg. jump shooter and slide him to #2/b]]

• Top 5 2018 draft is better than this draft. There's no way Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Tatum and Isaacs hold a candle to Doncic, Ayton, Bamba, Porter... and we can get two of those
• Fultz is not a generational talent. He's definitely talented and has potential to be great, but I put his prospect at a Wiggins, Parker level but definitely below a Kobe, Lebron or even Kyrie. 

He's EASILY the best offensive talent in this year's draft.  Exactly what we NEED.

• IT and Fultz cannot play together on this team with no rim protection... we'd be run through by any team with a half decent lineup.

They can play together.  They would be problems for other teams to deal with as well

• Tatum is the best prospect for this team's future. For some reason draft hype always props up highly athletic prospects.
  Jackson's skill set offensively is far too immature for me to project he'll ever be anything more than a pesky defender... Tatum on the other hand is the truth... pure scorer at the SF position and defensive potential

What defensive potential?  You mean the same potential Fultz has.  Plus Fultz IS the better offensive talent

• Terry Rozier has proven himself as a competent PG and the 2nd best PG on this team. The reason he hasn't been traded is because he is exactly what we need on our 2nd unit and most of the dislike has been more about name recognition than his performance. If Fultz came in as a 2nd year player and balled out like Rozier we'd all be saying the future is bright, but because he came in as an unheralded pick, he's disposable

I like Rozier.  But, please....

• Our window for competing is wide open and isn't closing anytime soon. We are amongst the youngest teams in the NBA and we are coming off a season where we won the Eastern Conference. We don't need to rush making the next step

We're not close to realistically challenging the Cavs or GSW anytime soon

2018 Celtics look like a death squad
IT/Rozier
Jaylen/Smart
Hayward /Crowder/Tatum
/???
Horford/Zizic

And two from Ayton/Bamba/Porter/Doncic.

Danny make the trade!!!

Danny, take Fultz!  Teams rarely get the #1 pick, you have it.  The decision is easy

Arguing the quality of our backcourt has been done to death, so I guess we're just on different sides of the coin my friend. But with this  team, if I'm given the choice of adding Fultz + Ayton/Bamba or Tatum/Jackson + Porter + Ayton/Bamba, I'm taking option 2 all day every day.

We havnt even seen these kids play on the college level yet. Take Fultz

[dwoumn]

In what world do we have championship guards?? The champs have a better back court than us, along with being superior at almost all positions.

Washington has a better back-court than we do. Tell me you wouldn't trade IT and Avery
straight up for Wall/Beal ? seriously.

I would do that trade in a heartbeat. Don't know what you're getting at... I said we have championship caliber guards, not the best guards. So let me put it another way, we won 50+ games and made it to the ECF largely based on our guard play. If you disagree with that let me know... simply put our guards aren't our weakness, they're our strength

Answer this!

Who in our guard rotation not named IT can consistently score or get a bucket when we desperately need one?

Scratch that!

Who on our TEAM not named IT can consistently  score or get a bucket when we desperately need one?

Winning 50+ games and making the ECF was cute.  But let's stop kidding ourselves we NEED a major influx of special talent not more middling dirt dog, hustling, high motor, "dime a dozen", non dribbling, non shooting, non creating role players.  This entire team is made up of them.

Lol that argument is simplistic, why would I name someone from our rotation other than IT that can score if IT is a part of our rotation? The 2017 team was built around IT penetrating, which is why Crowder worked on hia 3point shot and why Jaylen is now working on spot up 3s in the corner... there is no need for 2018 to be so constructed... especially if we get a Hayward

But I do agree we need more scorers, but we need players that score in different ways. Fultz method of scoring is just like ITs, so one defensive plan takes out two players. With scorers at different positions it becomes more difficult to defend. Porter at the 3 or 4 is a problem, Ayton at the 5 is a problem... the problem with our scoring now is that it is too perimeter based... so if shots not falling we're doomed.

You're making my point.

Why would you name someone other than IT?  YOU CANT!

The 2017 team built around IT was/is flawed!  If you're depending on Crowder and Jaylen turning into the shooters we need, then we really are doomed.  While we're at let's hope Kendrick Brown, Rondo and Smart develop one too.

We need scorers PERIOD!  It doesn't matter where they come from.  Look at GSW, Portland, Washington, Houston.

And u keep talking about next year's draft.  We're not guaranteed to get any of those guys.  Danny might end up trading those picks too!

This is funny, so you say I'm proving your point and then send me to look at Houston (built around Harden penetrating), Washington (built around Wall penetrating) and Blazers (built around Lillard penetrating) to say they are doing the right thing.

The 2017 team was definitely flawed, but it was also incomplete and the flaw was not our backcourt whether starting or bench.

You got me though on Danny probably trading 2018 picks 

My point in listing those teams is that they have multiple scorers in the backcourt.  It doesn't matter where scoring comes from as long as we have more than one guy who can consistently do it.  I'm tired of all these high motor guys who can't shoot!  This team has enough of them.

Our flaw was SCORING!  First and foremost! Our goal right now should be, how to add scoring!  Not high motor, defensive guys!

Scoring definitely seems to be the C's biggest flaw. For Brad's offense to work we need people that are able to penetrate the defense looking to attack the rim, even finishing through contact, and kicking out for the 3 ball. We need players are going to consistently knock down those 3 point shots. If I'm DA I'm taking Fultz but we all know he likes those tough defensive minded players (Bradley, Smart, Brown) but are they really going to push us over the top. I really hope DA isn't trying to push the C's into the finals just yet either. Why compete now with "superteams" for a short window instead of continuing to build a team that can grow and be successful down the line. No need to trade the pick for Butler or George because I don't think either of those players gets us over the hump. This is no longer the 70s, 80s, 90s where those tough players set the tone and get you to compete. You need players that can put the ball in the hole consistently and other than IT and maybe Horford we don't have that on or roster. I hope someone in that front talks DA off the ledge from royally screwing this draft up.

[SHAQATTACK]

You did not have to say a thing .....to upset me 


Danny did a great job pee n my cornflakes yesterday ...