Is Blake Considering the Celtics?

[jpotter33]

How did we arrive at the conclusion that he is considering the Celtics? Because he was impressed by the ovation to PP34? Anybody can be impressed but doesn't mean they are considering coming here. I have NEVER once heard that rumor until this post. I have heard the re-signing with the Clips or returning home to OKC but never heard that HE had interest in coming here. That being said, the post should be labeled "Are we considering making a ruin at Blake Griffin?" I would say probably not.

http://www.celticsblog.com/2017/6/14/15799796/boston-celtics-free-agents-impressed-by-fans-impact-positive

Did you read the article that this post is based upon? Because it's all in there.

[Fireworks_Boom!]

The Celtics & Clippers were rumored to be flirting with a trade at last year's deadline if you recall.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2694160-blake-griffin-trade-rumors-celtics-clippers-reportedly-discussed-possible-deal

I believe Blake has always been the target of DA. We need big help not wing help. Blake certainly comes with injury concerns but he might be worth the calculated risk given he fills a larger need for this team (i.e. we have wing/swing depth with glut of guards).

We sign Blake Griffin and Draft Markelle Fultz our future is looking bright and could be a draw for a 3rd to reset our own big 3 should we decide to not commit to IT (PG13 next year's top FA).

PG: Thomas
SG: Bradley
SF: Brown
PF: Griffin
C: Horford

Bench: Fultz, Crowder, Smart, Rozier, Yabusele, Zizic, Nader


2018

Let IT walk
Sign PG13

PG: Fultz
SG: Brown
SF: PG13
PF: Griffin
C: Horford

Wow! If Fultz develops the way we think that is a true contender in 2 seasons.

[SparzWizard]

The Celtics & Clippers were rumored to be flirting with a trade at last year's deadline if you recall.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2694160-blake-griffin-trade-rumors-celtics-clippers-reportedly-discussed-possible-deal

I believe Blake has always been the target of DA. We need big help not wing help. Blake certainly comes with injury concerns but he might be worth the calculated risk given he fills a larger need for this team (i.e. we have wing/swing depth with glut of guards).

We sign Blake Griffin and Draft Markelle Fultz our future is looking bright and could be a draw for a 3rd to reset our own big 3 should we decide to not commit to IT (PG13 next year's top FA).

PG: Thomas
SG: Bradley
SF: Brown
PF: Griffin
C: Horford

Bench: Fultz, Crowder, Smart, Rozier, Yabusele, Zizic, Nader


2018

Let IT walk
Sign PG13

PG: Fultz
SG: Brown
SF: PG13
PF: Griffin
C: Horford

Wow! If Fultz develops the way we think that is a true contender in 2 seasons.

Blake Griffin not being injured for two straight seasons would be a miracle, but alas it's just wishful dreaming.

[No Nickname]

If we don't get Hayward he has to be our #1 option. Since we can't carry over our cap space to next year it's very important we add someone in FA this offseason.

What you said here is key.  It really doesn't matter whether we get Hayward or Griffin, we just need to get one.  This cap space to sign a FA is like a winning lottery ticket.  If we don't sign anyone of significance it's like we're just keeping that ticket in our pocket and it expires at the start of the season.

Of course, we could cash that ticket in for a smaller prize(s).  But to maximize assets on the roster, which is Danny's specialty, we need one of these two players.

I would send Stevens to Hayward's home ready to knock on his door at midnight when the FA season opens.  And have Danny doing the same at Griffin's front door.  Whichever player signs first gets to come.  You just can't go for one, and make the other feel like he's Option #2.  Make them both feel like they're Option #1 but they have to understand that they need to decide quickly. None of this one-week drag it out drama.

[Fireworks_Boom!]

We could slowly bring back Blake Griffin this season to ensure his health for years 2, 3 and 4 of his contract while running current squad and allowing Fultz to develop a season.

Crowder can still fill in 20 min a night in PF position.

[manl_lui]

The Celtics & Clippers were rumored to be flirting with a trade at last year's deadline if you recall.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2694160-blake-griffin-trade-rumors-celtics-clippers-reportedly-discussed-possible-deal

I believe Blake has always been the target of DA. We need big help not wing help. Blake certainly comes with injury concerns but he might be worth the calculated risk given he fills a larger need for this team (i.e. we have wing/swing depth with glut of guards).

We sign Blake Griffin and Draft Markelle Fultz our future is looking bright and could be a draw for a 3rd to reset our own big 3 should we decide to not commit to IT (PG13 next year's top FA).

PG: Thomas
SG: Bradley
SF: Brown
PF: Griffin
C: Horford

Bench: Fultz, Crowder, Smart, Rozier, Yabusele, Zizic, Nader


2018

Let IT walk
Sign PG13

PG: Fultz
SG: Brown
SF: PG13
PF: Griffin
C: Horford

Wow! If Fultz develops the way we think that is a true contender in 2 seasons.

Blake Griffin not being injured for two straight seasons would be a miracle, but alas it's just wishful dreaming.

you know, I always wondered, if it's really Doc and Thib's style of coaching that runs their star players into the ground that would cause such high injury rates

with Doc
KG most noticeably in 08-09
Blake
CP3

Thibs
Derrick Rose (he doesn't seem to be that bad with the Knicks this year, until towards the end, but he lasted longer than i thought he would)
Noah
Lavine

[tonydelk]

If the Celtics had better front court players I would prefer Hayward.  Griffin fits better but comes with the injury risk.  For this Celtic team if they had to choose between the two you have to go Griffin to pair with Horford. 

[LilRip]

The Celtics & Clippers were rumored to be flirting with a trade at last year's deadline if you recall.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2694160-blake-griffin-trade-rumors-celtics-clippers-reportedly-discussed-possible-deal

I believe Blake has always been the target of DA. We need big help not wing help. Blake certainly comes with injury concerns but he might be worth the calculated risk given he fills a larger need for this team (i.e. we have wing/swing depth with glut of guards).

We sign Blake Griffin and Draft Markelle Fultz our future is looking bright and could be a draw for a 3rd to reset our own big 3 should we decide to not commit to IT (PG13 next year's top FA).

PG: Thomas
SG: Bradley
SF: Brown
PF: Griffin
C: Horford

Bench: Fultz, Crowder, Smart, Rozier, Yabusele, Zizic, Nader


2018

Let IT walk
Sign PG13

PG: Fultz
SG: Brown
SF: PG13
PF: Griffin
C: Horford

Wow! If Fultz develops the way we think that is a true contender in 2 seasons.

Blake Griffin not being injured for two straight seasons would be a miracle, but alas it's just wishful dreaming.

you know, I always wondered, if it's really Doc and Thib's style of coaching that runs their star players into the ground that would cause such high injury rates

with Doc
KG most noticeably in 08-09
Blake
CP3

Thibs
Derrick Rose (he doesn't seem to be that bad with the Knicks this year, until towards the end, but he lasted longer than i thought he would)
Noah
Lavine

This is interesting and probably has a semblance of truth. Doc's teams always seems to be injured, especially when it counts..

[seancally]

Great conundrum to be in. I love both guys in Brad's system. Blake's injuries - not so much. But he has certainly adjusted his game in recent seasons and, when he did play this past year, he was a 21+pts 8+rbs 4+asts guy (pretty sure). Purely from a statistical standpoint, that's more than what Hayward gives us. But it's close.

I'm starting to talk myself into Griffin even though Hayward may well be the wiser choice, but the reason has more to do with Jaylen Brown / Jae Crowder. Man... I'm tired of Crowder. I love his intensity, his toughness, etc., but I can't help but seeing him as the sore thumb. It's unfair but that's just how I feel. Sick of watching him, honestly.

If we sign Hayward, Crowder needs to be the odd man out, not Brown. But I'm not sure what we do with him. His value is still great but his ceiling is probably exactly where he is right now. In other words, he's too good to bench behind Brown as the third-string SF, but he's not good enough to warrant burying Jaylen, either.

[footey]

I've been pushing the sign Griffin and trade for George angle for awhile on here.

TP.

It's the only way to immediate contention. We should really explore this opportunity.

Is there a way to do it under the cap?

Mike

Depending on what the cap is at the end of the day, the Celtics could realistically create the room to sign Griffin by waiving all free agents and trading Rozier for no salary next season (i.e. a future draft pick or a draft and stash).  Then to acquire George (and Seraphin for roster purposes), Boston would need to trade Fultz, Smart, and Crowder (You could swap Bradley for those guys, but if it is Fultz it probably means BKN 18 and I'd rather not do that and I'd rather have Bradley than Smart or Crowder).

Those moves leave a starting 5 of Thomas, Bradley, George, Griffin, Horford, with basically just Brown, Zizic, Nader, 37, and Seraphin on the bench (with Yabusele still stashed).  Boston then signs some vets and young guys to minimum to fill in the bench.  I think Amir might come back at the minimum.  Green might also be a possibility as well though I would expect him to get more than that elsewhere.  Heck to keep a bit more continuity I'd bring Zeller back at the minimum if he couldn't do better elsewhere (if it is Boston or somewhere else for not much cost or PT difference, why not just stay in Boston). 

Depth is a clear a problem, but that starting 5 would not only be a threat to the Cavs, but the Warriors as well.

You'd rather trade Fultz than Brooklyn '18 for George?  Or did I misread you? In any event, your package for 1 year rental of George seems overpay. But I do like the idea of getting both George and Griffin, if we could keep Fultz (and 2018 pick, which I doubt). That is a squad that would be able to compete with the Warriors IMO.

[footey]

How did we arrive at the conclusion that he is considering the Celtics? Because he was impressed by the ovation to PP34? Anybody can be impressed but doesn't mean they are considering coming here. I have NEVER once heard that rumor until this post. I have heard the re-signing with the Clips or returning home to OKC but never heard that HE had interest in coming here. That being said, the post should be labeled "Are we considering making a ruin at Blake Griffin?" I would say probably not.

http://www.celticsblog.com/2017/6/14/15799796/boston-celtics-free-agents-impressed-by-fans-impact-positive

Did you read the article that this post is based upon? Because it's all in there.

TP thank you. I should have given the link in the OP.

[jade88]

If Danny could get Blake Griffin to go along with IT4 and Horford, than he would be a fool not to use his assets to get George or Butler.

Thomas/Bradley/George/Griffin/Horford, yea GS is getting a fight to the death.

[Moranis]

I've been pushing the sign Griffin and trade for George angle for awhile on here.

TP.

It's the only way to immediate contention. We should really explore this opportunity.

Is there a way to do it under the cap?

Mike

Depending on what the cap is at the end of the day, the Celtics could realistically create the room to sign Griffin by waiving all free agents and trading Rozier for no salary next season (i.e. a future draft pick or a draft and stash).  Then to acquire George (and Seraphin for roster purposes), Boston would need to trade Fultz, Smart, and Crowder (You could swap Bradley for those guys, but if it is Fultz it probably means BKN 18 and I'd rather not do that and I'd rather have Bradley than Smart or Crowder).

Those moves leave a starting 5 of Thomas, Bradley, George, Griffin, Horford, with basically just Brown, Zizic, Nader, 37, and Seraphin on the bench (with Yabusele still stashed).  Boston then signs some vets and young guys to minimum to fill in the bench.  I think Amir might come back at the minimum.  Green might also be a possibility as well though I would expect him to get more than that elsewhere.  Heck to keep a bit more continuity I'd bring Zeller back at the minimum if he couldn't do better elsewhere (if it is Boston or somewhere else for not much cost or PT difference, why not just stay in Boston). 

Depth is a clear a problem, but that starting 5 would not only be a threat to the Cavs, but the Warriors as well.

You'd rather trade Fultz than Brooklyn '18 for George?  Or did I misread you? In any event, your package for 1 year rental of George seems overpay. But I do like the idea of getting both George and Griffin, if we could keep Fultz (and 2018 pick, which I doubt). That is a squad that would be able to compete with the Warriors IMO.

I'd rather keep the BKN 18 AND Bradley than Fultz in that scenario, because it means Fultz is likely the starting SG next year, and that just doesn't seem like a recipe for winning titles.  It would however make some of the cap issues lessened after next season (just need George and Thomas locked up as opposed to George, Thomas, and Bradley).  I can see either argument, but if Boston goes all in, I'd want to put the team in the best position to go all in, and with the 2018 draft looking flush with big men, I think I'd rather take a shot at one of them, then a PG, because big men are harder to come by, harder to defend, and generally lead to titles far more often than the little men.  And I really think that teams like GS/CLE are flukes in how they play.  I also look around the league and see players like Embiid, Towns, Davis, and don't really think we are that far away from reverting back to an age of the big guy. 

[Erik]

Wrong thread

[DarkAzcura]

Woj also stated that Boston is one of the top places Blake is looking at if he leaves LA. Woj also cited how impressed Griffin was with Boston's crowd during the PP tribute.