If Crowder has ANY problem with Hayward he gets moved

[wdleehi]

If the Celtics get Hayward, Crowder's future of the team is directly connected to Brown.


If the Celtics see Brown as the future starting SG, there is a role off the bench for Crowder.


If the Celtics see Brown as only spot minutes at SG and the majority at SF, Crowder's role will quickly shrink to the point where his low salary doesn't matter anymore. 

[Surferdad]

If the Celtics get Hayward, Crowder's future of the team is directly connected to Brown.


If the Celtics see Brown as the future starting SG, there is a role off the bench for Crowder.


If the Celtics see Brown as only spot minutes at SG and the majority at SF, Crowder's role will quickly shrink to the point where his low salary doesn't matter anymore.

This.  Did Brown even play any SG this season?  I don't see Crowder's low salary as particularly helpful this off-season, next off-season it would be helpful as IT, Bradley and Smart all up for bigger contracts.

[wdleehi]

If the Celtics get Hayward, Crowder's future of the team is directly connected to Brown.


If the Celtics see Brown as the future starting SG, there is a role off the bench for Crowder.


If the Celtics see Brown as only spot minutes at SG and the majority at SF, Crowder's role will quickly shrink to the point where his low salary doesn't matter anymore.

This.  Did Brown even play any SG this season?  I don't see Crowder's low salary as particularly helpful this off-season, next off-season it would be helpful as IT, Bradley and Smart all up for bigger contracts.

He started SG when AB was out.

[JBcat]

One idea I had besides renouncing KO or trading Bradley to create max cap space is packaging Crowder and Smart to a team in need of guard and wing depth for future picks.  Both of these guys their value may never be higher (for Smart if this is what he is basically for his career and doesn't improve much.)

We would lose some our identity as a rugged team, but Hayward would seamlessly take over for Crowder, and Fultz for Smart.  We would be more talented (still would need to sign a big man).

Maybe a team like OKC or Houston could be desperate, and we could get a Nets like trade with 2 picks from 2019 through 2021 with a swap in the middle to continue the Nets like run of picks. Ha

[CFAN38]

If the Celtics get Hayward, Crowder's future of the team is directly connected to Brown.


If the Celtics see Brown as the future starting SG, there is a role off the bench for Crowder.


If the Celtics see Brown as only spot minutes at SG and the majority at SF, Crowder's role will quickly shrink to the point where his low salary doesn't matter anymore.

I hope to see Fultz and Brown develop into the back court of the future with Smart staying as a high minute 6th man. This will give the Cs a big long physical back court going against the current norm in the NBA. With the size those three bring to the guard positions the Cs would be a nightmare match-up for any sub 6'2 PG. 

Crowders long term role will be interesting. I ultimately think he becomes a key trading piece down the road.

[CFAN38]

One idea I had besides renouncing KO or trading Bradley to create max cap space is packaging Crowder and Smart to a team in need of guard and wing depth for future picks.  Both of these guys their value may never be higher (for Smart if this is what he is basically for his career and doesn't improve much.)

We would lose some our identity as a rugged team, but Hayward would seamlessly take over for Crowder, and Fultz for Smart.  We would be more talented (still would need to sign a big man).

Maybe a team like OKC or Houston could be desperate, and we could get a Nets like trade with 2 picks from 2019 through 2021 with a swap in the middle to continue the Nets like run of picks. Ha

I worry that loosing Smart and Crowder would take away this teams edge. Particularly Smart who I feel gives this teams its heart. 

[JBcat]

One idea I had besides renouncing KO or trading Bradley to create max cap space is packaging Crowder and Smart to a team in need of guard and wing depth for future picks.  Both of these guys their value may never be higher (for Smart if this is what he is basically for his career and doesn't improve much.)

We would lose some our identity as a rugged team, but Hayward would seamlessly take over for Crowder, and Fultz for Smart.  We would be more talented (still would need to sign a big man).

Maybe a team like OKC or Houston could be desperate, and we could get a Nets like trade with 2 picks from 2019 through 2021 with a swap in the middle to continue the Nets like run of picks. Ha

I worry that loosing Smart and Crowder would take away this teams edge. Particularly Smart who I feel gives this teams its heart.

It is a legitimate concern, but Fultz may be better than Smart in his rookie year and Hayward will be better than Crowder.  If Brown makes a leap in his game it will be easier to give him more minutes this way.

We can't get too attached to likable rugged players like Eric Williams of the past.  Ainge will trade them if it's the right move.

[loco_91]

Crowder and Smart are badly underrated on this board.

[JBcat]

Crowder and Smart are badly underrated on this board.

Well that's why I essentially asked 3 picks for them.  Lol

There are only so many minutes to go around if we sign Hayward and draft Fultz who both should be better than Crowder and Smart as much as I like them as players.

[ThePaintedArea]

Bradley, Smart, Crowder must be moved to make room.

Doubt that all three will go. Doubt that Hayward will be signed, as good as he is.

Crowder is on a great contract and has hit his peak.

We agree about the contract.

Even if he really has hit his peak (and, at 26, it's not bloody likely), this peak is pretty impressive.  He's one of the best defensive players at his position in the league, and is one of the top shooters in the league at any position; and he fulfills the valuable - coveted - role of a swing.

This past season he's added dribble-drive stuff that got him more open shots from the arc.  It also helped him draw fouls (Free Throw Rate over the .300 threshold for the first time in his career), and he's money at the line.  He was 17th in the league in True Shooting %.

He's likely just entering his prime.

I'd love to keep him but if he's gonna cause any chemistry problems losing his starting spot than he must go.

Why would he lose his starting spot?  Oh yeah, because supposedly Gordon Hayward is coming.  Well, I'll believe it when I see it.

[ThePaintedArea]

Crowder and Smart are badly underrated on this board.

Fair point. Two guys who have excellent all-around games.

[mahcus smaht]

One idea I had besides renouncing KO or trading Bradley to create max cap space is packaging Crowder and Smart to a team in need of guard and wing depth for future picks.  Both of these guys their value may never be higher (for Smart if this is what he is basically for his career and doesn't improve much.)

We would lose some our identity as a rugged team, but Hayward would seamlessly take over for Crowder, and Fultz for Smart.  We would be more talented (still would need to sign a big man).

Maybe a team like OKC or Houston could be desperate, and we could get a Nets like trade with 2 picks from 2019 through 2021 with a swap in the middle to continue the Nets like run of picks. Ha

I worry that loosing Smart and Crowder would take away this teams edge. Particularly Smart who I feel gives this teams its heart.

Crowder really seemed to drop off in the heart department this year.

[ThePaintedArea]

If the Celtics get Hayward, Crowder's future of the team is directly connected to Brown.


If the Celtics see Brown as the future starting SG, there is a role off the bench for Crowder.


If the Celtics see Brown as only spot minutes at SG and the majority at SF, Crowder's role will quickly shrink to the point where his low salary doesn't matter anymore.

This.  Did Brown even play any SG this season? ...

Yes, mostly with Thomas-Crowder-Jerebko and either Amir or Al.

[ThePaintedArea]

 Fair to say if Hayward asked Ainge to move Crowder. I'd be surprised if there is one person that wouldn't get rid of him real quick to acquire Hayward.

If Hayward is making demands like that, he doesn't belong on the Boston Celtics. Red would roll over in his grave! - but it's hard to imagine Danny Ainge going for that kind of crap either.

[ThePaintedArea]

 Fair to say if Hayward asked Ainge to move Crowder. I'd be surprised if there is one person that wouldn't get rid of him real quick to acquire Hayward.

Wait, what?!  That's who you think Gordon Hayward is?  I wouldn't want someone who came in and started asking management to get rid of beloved Celtics right off the jump.

Luckily, I don't think that's who Gordon Hayward is.  I think you are creating drama that doesn't exist.

 Stranger things have happened. Just saying if he did mention it, would you really hesitate. I wouldn't. I'd trade Crowder immediately to get him.

I wouldn't hesitate at all.  If Gordon Hayward said, "I'll only come to Boston if you trade Jae Crowder," I would repond; "sorry it didn't work out for you becoming a Celtic, Gordon.  Best of luck to you where ever you end up.   Careful of the door on your way out.  Don't let it hit you on the rear."

Thank you.  The Boston Celtics have always been team first, and that kind of BS won't fly.