If Crowder has ANY problem with Hayward he gets moved

[Beat LA]

We need guys that can play against GSW units. Crowder is one of those and on a cheap contract. That enables having a few max guys while having depth. He could be the Posey we couldn't retain. I am not saying he is off limits, just that he is valuable in many ways, even if he is not spectacular.

Say what?

He had 9 points in 3/8 versus them, shot .33% from the field but boarded well at 10 boards.

http://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore/_/id/400900354


He missed the other game with an injury but as you can see, he hardly carried us against them.

he also missed our W against them last season.

GSW games are evidence to keep Olynyk.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha .

25 points and a plus 17 in a win in oracle.

Last year he had probably the best game of his career against GSW in the double overtime loss.

Obviously performance against GSW is only a tiny portion of the veal process but Kelly does quite well in that tiny portion.

Without Durant. 

[Ilikesports17]

We need guys that can play against GSW units. Crowder is one of those and on a cheap contract. That enables having a few max guys while having depth. He could be the Posey we couldn't retain. I am not saying he is off limits, just that he is valuable in many ways, even if he is not spectacular.

Say what?

He had 9 points in 3/8 versus them, shot .33% from the field but boarded well at 10 boards.

http://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore/_/id/400900354


He missed the other game with an injury but as you can see, he hardly carried us against them.

he also missed our W against them last season.

GSW games are evidence to keep Olynyk.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha .

25 points and a plus 17 in a win in oracle.

Last year he had probably the best game of his career against GSW in the double overtime loss.

Obviously performance against GSW is only a tiny portion of the veal process but Kelly does quite well in that tiny portion.

Without Durant.

I'm aware. Warriors were still a good team without KD and KD not being there doesn't make Kelly's performance bad. Still a very good performance. Not entirely sure what point you are trying to make.

[KG Living Legend]

 Fair to say if Hayward asked Ainge to move Crowder. I'd be surprised if there is one person that wouldn't get rid of him real quick to acquire Hayward.

[Celtics18]

 Fair to say if Hayward asked Ainge to move Crowder. I'd be surprised if there is one person that wouldn't get rid of him real quick to acquire Hayward.

Wait, what?!  That's who you think Gordon Hayward is?  I wouldn't want someone who came in and started asking management to get rid of beloved Celtics right off the jump.

Luckily, I don't think that's who Gordon Hayward is.  I think you are creating drama that doesn't exist.

[Androslav]

We need guys that can play against GSW units. Crowder is one of those and on a cheap contract. That enables having a few max guys while having depth. He could be the Posey we couldn't retain. I am not saying he is off limits, just that he is valuable in many ways, even if he is not spectacular.

Say what?

He had 9 points in 3/8 versus them, shot .33% from the field but boarded well at 10 boards.

http://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore/_/id/400900354

He missed the other game with an injury but as you can see, he hardly carried us against them.

he also missed our W against them last season.

GSW games are evidence to keep Olynyk.

I am of the opposite understanding.
I am not saying that Crowder is defacto our answer for KD and GSW circus, but you need guys that can switch, have the effort and physique to do it, hit some treys while possessing the important experience. You need a bunch of those guys, not 1 or 2, but 4 or 5.
That one game wonder from Olynyk at Oracle is an aberation, as he clearly proved he can't play in and vs elite small lineups in the Cleveland series. That series was a judgment for his future career as a Celtic. IMO he has played his last game for us.
Thanks for the WAS game 7.

[Androslav]

double post

[KG Living Legend]

 Fair to say if Hayward asked Ainge to move Crowder. I'd be surprised if there is one person that wouldn't get rid of him real quick to acquire Hayward.

Wait, what?!  That's who you think Gordon Hayward is?  I wouldn't want someone who came in and started asking management to get rid of beloved Celtics right off the jump.

Luckily, I don't think that's who Gordon Hayward is.  I think you are creating drama that doesn't exist.

 Stranger things have happened. Just saying if he did mention it, would you really hesitate. I wouldn't. I'd trade Crowder immediately to get him.

[Celtics4ever]

Fair to say if Hayward asked Ainge to move Crowder. I'd be surprised if there is one person that wouldn't get rid of him real quick to acquire Hayward.

It is possible but Hayward is a better caliber player than Crowder, and I doubt he feels threatened by him.    I think the board here values him more than the NBA as a whole but this is often the case.

[Surferdad]

 Fair to say if Hayward asked Ainge to move Crowder. I'd be surprised if there is one person that wouldn't get rid of him real quick to acquire Hayward.

Wait, what?!  That's who you think Gordon Hayward is?  I wouldn't want someone who came in and started asking management to get rid of beloved Celtics right off the jump.

Luckily, I don't think that's who Gordon Hayward is.  I think you are creating drama that doesn't exist.

 Stranger things have happened. Just saying if he did mention it, would you really hesitate. I wouldn't. I'd trade Crowder immediately to get him.

It's silly to make up such a scenario.  You are the only one I know who even suggested Hayward could think this way, there's no evidence whatsoever he is like that. In any case, it is silly b/c Ainge will unload Crowder if Hayward comes here.  I don't think they can co-exist.  If anything it is Crowder who would have the problem, thus this thread.  But again, it's moot, they won't play together on this team.

[RodyTur10]

Fair to say if Hayward asked Ainge to move Crowder. I'd be surprised if there is one person that wouldn't get rid of him real quick to acquire Hayward.

It is possible but Hayward is a better caliber player than Crowder, and I doubt he feels threatened by him. I think the board here values him more than the NBA as a whole but this is often the case.

Interesting you say that, because I feel the total opposite.

In last year's ranking of most valuable trading assets in the whole NBA Jae Crowder ranked #32, that's including every all star and rookies on bargain contracts. I saw a site that was speculating for possible trades the Celtics could make to win a championship and which trading pieces they could use and named 3 players as untouchable namely Thomas, Crowder and Horford.

Wasn't Chicago insisting on including Crowder into a deal for Butler? Apparently he was a breaking point and not an extra first rounder. If the Knicks informed for any interest in a trade for Carmelo Anthony I'm pretty sure that Crowder was on the top of their list too.

He's widely regarded as one of the best contracts in the league. Also a key member of a NBA Conference finalist. Just came short of being included in the NBA All-Defensive 2nd team last season (had similar votes as Paul George and Klay Thompson). Besides being seen as an elite defender he also improved offensively by increasing his 3P% to 40%.

In short Jae Crowder is very marketable.

[Tr1boy]

Danny should trade Crowder and Rozier on draft night..or prior to Jul1st ...if he plans to sign or go after hayward and draft fultz

Out of respect for Jae , I would do that

Even if the Celts dont sign Hayward but the team pursues hard... Crowder wont be a happy camper

Trade him to the knicks for a future 1st

[Celtics18]

 Fair to say if Hayward asked Ainge to move Crowder. I'd be surprised if there is one person that wouldn't get rid of him real quick to acquire Hayward.

Wait, what?!  That's who you think Gordon Hayward is?  I wouldn't want someone who came in and started asking management to get rid of beloved Celtics right off the jump.

Luckily, I don't think that's who Gordon Hayward is.  I think you are creating drama that doesn't exist.

 Stranger things have happened. Just saying if he did mention it, would you really hesitate. I wouldn't. I'd trade Crowder immediately to get him.

I wouldn't hesitate at all.  If Gordon Hayward said, "I'll only come to Boston if you trade Jae Crowder," I would repond; "sorry it didn't work out for you becoming a Celtic, Gordon.  Best of luck to you where ever you end up.   Careful of the door on your way out.  Don't let it hit you on the rear."

[Ilikesports17]

 Fair to say if Hayward asked Ainge to move Crowder. I'd be surprised if there is one person that wouldn't get rid of him real quick to acquire Hayward.

Wait, what?!  That's who you think Gordon Hayward is?  I wouldn't want someone who came in and started asking management to get rid of beloved Celtics right off the jump.

Luckily, I don't think that's who Gordon Hayward is.  I think you are creating drama that doesn't exist.

 Stranger things have happened. Just saying if he did mention it, would you really hesitate. I wouldn't. I'd trade Crowder immediately to get him.

I wouldn't hesitate at all.  If Gordon Hayward said, "I'll only come to Boston if you trade Jae Crowder," I would repond; "sorry it didn't work out for you becoming a Celtic, Gordon.  Best of luck to you where ever you end up.   Careful of the door on your way out.  Don't let it hit you on the rear."

Why the hell would Hayward care if Crowder is here?

If anyone is gonna care it'd be Jae who is losing his starting spot or being pushed to PF.

[Ilikesports17]

Danny should trade Crowder and Rozier on draft night..or prior to Jul1st ...if he plans to sign or go after hayward and draft fultz

Out of respect for Jae , I would do that

Even if the Celts dont sign Hayward but the team pursues hard... Crowder wont be a happy camper

Trade him to the knicks for a future 1st

Crowde and rozier are two guys I'd like to keep due to their contracts.

Moving one of Smart/Bradley makes more sense to me

[Ilikesports17]

We need guys that can play against GSW units. Crowder is one of those and on a cheap contract. That enables having a few max guys while having depth. He could be the Posey we couldn't retain. I am not saying he is off limits, just that he is valuable in many ways, even if he is not spectacular.

Say what?

He had 9 points in 3/8 versus them, shot .33% from the field but boarded well at 10 boards.

http://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore/_/id/400900354

He missed the other game with an injury but as you can see, he hardly carried us against them.

he also missed our W against them last season.

GSW games are evidence to keep Olynyk.

I am of the opposite understanding.
I am not saying that Crowder is defacto our answer for KD and GSW circus, but you need guys that can switch, have the effort and physique to do it, hit some treys while possessing the important experience. You need a bunch of those guys, not 1 or 2, but 4 or 5.
That one game wonder from Olynyk at Oracle is an aberation, as he clearly proved he can't play in and vs elite small lineups in the Cleveland series. That series was a judgment for his future career as a Celtic. IMO he has played his last game for us.
Thanks for the WAS game 7.

I was simply noting that if you look at our 4 game history against GSW, that history is very favorable to Kelly Olynyk and not favorable to crowder.

Also I disagree that Crowder can cover multiple positions. He's not big enough to cover Draymond or KD and he's not quick enough to cover Klay. Obviously, he can't matchup with Steph