Fultz is overrated

[Dchuck]

What Kyrie is doing in these playoffs, carrying the Cavs, that's why we absolutely take Fultz.

This is a very good point and honestly is probably all the reason you need to take him #1.

Kyrie Irving has had a very solid playoffs overall as a second banana to Lebron James.  "Carrying the Cavs," though?  That's a bit of an exagerration, I'd say.

Did you watch what Kyrie did to the Celtics in Game 4?  Without his performance Boston very well might have come back 2-2.

Kyrie has been phenomenal these past 2 playoffs, and has completely validated being the #1 overall pick.  If you can project Fultz to being that kind of special offensive talent, he is a no-brainer at #1.

I actually think the Kyrie Irving comparison is a good reason to at least consider trading the number one pick as opposed to selecting Fultz.  Kyrie Irving is a very, very good basketball player, but he's not a great one--not the kind of guy who single handedly changes the fate of your franchise like Lebron James or Kevin Durant or Tim Duncan.

If we get our "Kyrie Irving" in this year's draft, we still have to find our "Lebron James."  We won't be able to trade the pick for that kind of difference maker, but we may be able to trade for someone who can help a good team get better immediately and/or maximize our chances for the future by getting multiple top prospects.

In the end, Danny will most likely just take Fultz with the number one, but I do think it's very worth considering other options.

Without Kyrie...Cavs get swept by the Warriors and we take them to at least 6.  Hes easily one of the best PGs in the league.  He's also hands down a player u can build around.  Remember, in the league today u need some combination of three studs.  He is certainly worthy of that. 

As far as finding our "Lebron James", good luck!  Players like him dont come around too often.

For those that say trade the pick, who could we possibly get back in return that would make us legit contenders in the forseeable future?  PG13?  Uh, no!  Butler?  Nope!  AD? Maybe.  So unless the Brow is wearing green next year, we need to take Fultz.  Period!

Kyrie is definitely one of the top point guards in the league, easily in the top seven.  I'd say he's right around on par with our own Isaiah Thomas.  If that is Fultz's ceiling that would be great, maybe we could do better, though, is all I'm saying.

If you add Kyrie to our current Celtics team, they would be legit contenders. A player of that scoring and ball handling ability would take sooooo much pressure off IT and Horford, and make the game easier for everyone. Smart and Brown would also flourish from having another elite scorer and playmaker on the floor.  Add A Kyrie/Fultz PLUS Hayward, and a center like Zizic, and we are in amazing shape.

I'm not convinced that Markelle Fultz would make a large immediate impact on our Celtics.  I don't think he and Isaiah would be a good fit together--certainly not right away.  Sure, you can play Fultz off the ball some, but you are giving up a lot defensively with that backcourt.

What is your expectation for Fultz as a rookie?  What type of impact is reasonable and acceptable?  I believe he will bring an extra scoring option that we dont currently have.  I expect a slightly larger contribution offensively than Jalen while making it easier for the rest of the team to work as well.  He seems to be a perfect fit right now and more importantly as a building block for the future.

[chilidawg]

What Kyrie is doing in these playoffs, carrying the Cavs, that's why we absolutely take Fultz.

This is a very good point and honestly is probably all the reason you need to take him #1.

Kyrie Irving has had a very solid playoffs overall as a second banana to Lebron James.  "Carrying the Cavs," though?  That's a bit of an exagerration, I'd say.

Did you watch what Kyrie did to the Celtics in Game 4?  Without his performance Boston very well might have come back 2-2.

Kyrie has been phenomenal these past 2 playoffs, and has completely validated being the #1 overall pick.  If you can project Fultz to being that kind of special offensive talent, he is a no-brainer at #1.

I actually think the Kyrie Irving comparison is a good reason to at least consider trading the number one pick as opposed to selecting Fultz.  Kyrie Irving is a very, very good basketball player, but he's not a great one--not the kind of guy who single handedly changes the fate of your franchise like Lebron James or Kevin Durant or Tim Duncan.

If we get our "Kyrie Irving" in this year's draft, we still have to find our "Lebron James."  We won't be able to trade the pick for that kind of difference maker, but we may be able to trade for someone who can help a good team get better immediately and/or maximize our chances for the future by getting multiple top prospects.

In the end, Danny will most likely just take Fultz with the number one, but I do think it's very worth considering other options.

Without Kyrie...Cavs get swept by the Warriors and we take them to at least 6.  Hes easily one of the best PGs in the league.  He's also hands down a player u can build around.  Remember, in the league today u need some combination of three studs.  He is certainly worthy of that. 

As far as finding our "Lebron James", good luck!  Players like him dont come around too often.

For those that say trade the pick, who could we possibly get back in return that would make us legit contenders in the forseeable future?  PG13?  Uh, no!  Butler?  Nope!  AD? Maybe.  So unless the Brow is wearing green next year, we need to take Fultz.  Period!

If know Kyrie Irving is his outcome, I would absolutely trade him for PG, assuming George signs an extension.

[hpantazo]

Serious question, has any team in NBA history ever traded the #1 pick on or before draft day? I know it has happened after draft day, but I can't recall anyone trading the #1 pick before the draft or on draft day.

http://www.nba.com/history/season/19801981.html

The biggest news of the season came a full four months before the season started. On June 9, 1980, Red Auerbach pulled off the type of trade that had earned him a reputation for thievery in his more than three decades in the league. Auerbach dealt the first and 13th picks in the 1980 NBA Draft to Golden State for the third pick in the 1980 Draft and four-year veteran center Robert Parish. The Warriors selected Purdue center Joe Barry Carroll with the first pick and tabbed Mississippi forward Rickey Brown 13th. The Celtics took forward Kevin McHale of Minnesota, and thus added Parish and McHale to a frontcourt that already featured Larry Bird and Cedric Maxwell. In one trade, Auerbach had acquired a frontcourt for the next decade.

Today there probably would be a number of fans against that deal claiming that Joe Barry Carroll is a transformational, transcendent, generational talent and it's foolish to trade down, etc.

That's the best example of why we have to trust Ainge if he trades the pick.

[Celtics18]

What Kyrie is doing in these playoffs, carrying the Cavs, that's why we absolutely take Fultz.

This is a very good point and honestly is probably all the reason you need to take him #1.

Kyrie Irving has had a very solid playoffs overall as a second banana to Lebron James.  "Carrying the Cavs," though?  That's a bit of an exagerration, I'd say.

Did you watch what Kyrie did to the Celtics in Game 4?  Without his performance Boston very well might have come back 2-2.

Kyrie has been phenomenal these past 2 playoffs, and has completely validated being the #1 overall pick.  If you can project Fultz to being that kind of special offensive talent, he is a no-brainer at #1.

I actually think the Kyrie Irving comparison is a good reason to at least consider trading the number one pick as opposed to selecting Fultz.  Kyrie Irving is a very, very good basketball player, but he's not a great one--not the kind of guy who single handedly changes the fate of your franchise like Lebron James or Kevin Durant or Tim Duncan.

If we get our "Kyrie Irving" in this year's draft, we still have to find our "Lebron James."  We won't be able to trade the pick for that kind of difference maker, but we may be able to trade for someone who can help a good team get better immediately and/or maximize our chances for the future by getting multiple top prospects.

In the end, Danny will most likely just take Fultz with the number one, but I do think it's very worth considering other options.

Without Kyrie...Cavs get swept by the Warriors and we take them to at least 6.  Hes easily one of the best PGs in the league.  He's also hands down a player u can build around.  Remember, in the league today u need some combination of three studs.  He is certainly worthy of that. 

As far as finding our "Lebron James", good luck!  Players like him dont come around too often.

For those that say trade the pick, who could we possibly get back in return that would make us legit contenders in the forseeable future?  PG13?  Uh, no!  Butler?  Nope!  AD? Maybe.  So unless the Brow is wearing green next year, we need to take Fultz.  Period!

Kyrie is definitely one of the top point guards in the league, easily in the top seven.  I'd say he's right around on par with our own Isaiah Thomas.  If that is Fultz's ceiling that would be great, maybe we could do better, though, is all I'm saying.

If you add Kyrie to our current Celtics team, they would be legit contenders. A player of that scoring and ball handling ability would take sooooo much pressure off IT and Horford, and make the game easier for everyone. Smart and Brown would also flourish from having another elite scorer and playmaker on the floor.  Add A Kyrie/Fultz PLUS Hayward, and a center like Zizic, and we are in amazing shape.

I'm not convinced that Markelle Fultz would make a large immediate impact on our Celtics.  I don't think he and Isaiah would be a good fit together--certainly not right away.  Sure, you can play Fultz off the ball some, but you are giving up a lot defensively with that backcourt.

What is your expectation for Fultz as a rookie?  What type of impact is reasonable and acceptable?  I believe he will bring an extra scoring option that we dont currently have.  I expect a slightly larger contribution offensively than Jalen while making it easier for the rest of the team to work as well.  He seems to be a perfect fit right now and more importantly as a building block for the future.

I would agree with that.  Maybe 16 to 18 minutes and 7 or 8 points per game.

[Dchuck]

What Kyrie is doing in these playoffs, carrying the Cavs, that's why we absolutely take Fultz.

This is a very good point and honestly is probably all the reason you need to take him #1.

Kyrie Irving has had a very solid playoffs overall as a second banana to Lebron James.  "Carrying the Cavs," though?  That's a bit of an exagerration, I'd say.

Did you watch what Kyrie did to the Celtics in Game 4?  Without his performance Boston very well might have come back 2-2.

Kyrie has been phenomenal these past 2 playoffs, and has completely validated being the #1 overall pick.  If you can project Fultz to being that kind of special offensive talent, he is a no-brainer at #1.

I actually think the Kyrie Irving comparison is a good reason to at least consider trading the number one pick as opposed to selecting Fultz.  Kyrie Irving is a very, very good basketball player, but he's not a great one--not the kind of guy who single handedly changes the fate of your franchise like Lebron James or Kevin Durant or Tim Duncan.

If we get our "Kyrie Irving" in this year's draft, we still have to find our "Lebron James."  We won't be able to trade the pick for that kind of difference maker, but we may be able to trade for someone who can help a good team get better immediately and/or maximize our chances for the future by getting multiple top prospects.

In the end, Danny will most likely just take Fultz with the number one, but I do think it's very worth considering other options.

Without Kyrie...Cavs get swept by the Warriors and we take them to at least 6.  Hes easily one of the best PGs in the league.  He's also hands down a player u can build around.  Remember, in the league today u need some combination of three studs.  He is certainly worthy of that. 

As far as finding our "Lebron James", good luck!  Players like him dont come around too often.

For those that say trade the pick, who could we possibly get back in return that would make us legit contenders in the forseeable future?  PG13?  Uh, no!  Butler?  Nope!  AD? Maybe.  So unless the Brow is wearing green next year, we need to take Fultz.  Period!

If know Kyrie Irving is his outcome, I would absolutely trade him for PG, assuming George signs an extension.

Thats fair.  Though an extended PG13 moves the needle, I dont think it makes us TRUE title contenders.  Unfortunatley, I believe our ECF appearance was fool's gold.  A nice accomplishment, but an unrealisitc notion that we are closer than we really are, nevertheless.

[Casperian]

What Kyrie is doing in these playoffs, carrying the Cavs, that's why we absolutely take Fultz.

This is a very good point and honestly is probably all the reason you need to take him #1.

Kyrie Irving has had a very solid playoffs overall as a second banana to Lebron James.  "Carrying the Cavs," though?  That's a bit of an exagerration, I'd say.

Did you watch what Kyrie did to the Celtics in Game 4?  Without his performance Boston very well might have come back 2-2.

Kyrie has been phenomenal these past 2 playoffs, and has completely validated being the #1 overall pick.  If you can project Fultz to being that kind of special offensive talent, he is a no-brainer at #1.

I actually think the Kyrie Irving comparison is a good reason to at least consider trading the number one pick as opposed to selecting Fultz.  Kyrie Irving is a very, very good basketball player, but he's not a great one--not the kind of guy who single handedly changes the fate of your franchise like Lebron James or Kevin Durant or Tim Duncan.

If we get our "Kyrie Irving" in this year's draft, we still have to find our "Lebron James."  We won't be able to trade the pick for that kind of difference maker, but we may be able to trade for someone who can help a good team get better immediately and/or maximize our chances for the future by getting multiple top prospects.

In the end, Danny will most likely just take Fultz with the number one, but I do think it's very worth considering other options.

Without Kyrie...Cavs get swept by the Warriors and we take them to at least 6.  Hes easily one of the best PGs in the league.  He's also hands down a player u can build around.  Remember, in the league today u need some combination of three studs.  He is certainly worthy of that. 

As far as finding our "Lebron James", good luck!  Players like him dont come around too often.

For those that say trade the pick, who could we possibly get back in return that would make us legit contenders in the forseeable future?  PG13?  Uh, no!  Butler?  Nope!  AD? Maybe.  So unless the Brow is wearing green next year, we need to take Fultz.  Period!

Kyrie is definitely one of the top point guards in the league, easily in the top seven.  I'd say he's right around on par with our own Isaiah Thomas.  If that is Fultz's ceiling that would be great, maybe we could do better, though, is all I'm saying.

I dunno. If all we get is a top 7 PG out of the #1, we should seriously think about trading it.

[Celtics18]

What Kyrie is doing in these playoffs, carrying the Cavs, that's why we absolutely take Fultz.

This is a very good point and honestly is probably all the reason you need to take him #1.

Kyrie Irving has had a very solid playoffs overall as a second banana to Lebron James.  "Carrying the Cavs," though?  That's a bit of an exagerration, I'd say.

Did you watch what Kyrie did to the Celtics in Game 4?  Without his performance Boston very well might have come back 2-2.

Kyrie has been phenomenal these past 2 playoffs, and has completely validated being the #1 overall pick.  If you can project Fultz to being that kind of special offensive talent, he is a no-brainer at #1.

I actually think the Kyrie Irving comparison is a good reason to at least consider trading the number one pick as opposed to selecting Fultz.  Kyrie Irving is a very, very good basketball player, but he's not a great one--not the kind of guy who single handedly changes the fate of your franchise like Lebron James or Kevin Durant or Tim Duncan.

If we get our "Kyrie Irving" in this year's draft, we still have to find our "Lebron James."  We won't be able to trade the pick for that kind of difference maker, but we may be able to trade for someone who can help a good team get better immediately and/or maximize our chances for the future by getting multiple top prospects.

In the end, Danny will most likely just take Fultz with the number one, but I do think it's very worth considering other options.

Without Kyrie...Cavs get swept by the Warriors and we take them to at least 6.  Hes easily one of the best PGs in the league.  He's also hands down a player u can build around.  Remember, in the league today u need some combination of three studs.  He is certainly worthy of that. 

As far as finding our "Lebron James", good luck!  Players like him dont come around too often.

For those that say trade the pick, who could we possibly get back in return that would make us legit contenders in the forseeable future?  PG13?  Uh, no!  Butler?  Nope!  AD? Maybe.  So unless the Brow is wearing green next year, we need to take Fultz.  Period!

Kyrie is definitely one of the top point guards in the league, easily in the top seven.  I'd say he's right around on par with our own Isaiah Thomas.  If that is Fultz's ceiling that would be great, maybe we could do better, though, is all I'm saying.

I dunno. If all we get is a top 7 PG out of the #1, we should seriously think about trading it.

Exactly.

[clevelandceltic]

There are at least 5 PGs that are top 20 players. Westbrook, CP3, Irving, Wall,  Curry, Lowry/IT/Lillard. The last 3 push top 30 for sure. His tools are more in line with the first 5. Now if you want to trade that I dont know what to say.

You want to trade it for who PG13? Ok how much does that really help us? I dont see how that really moves us toward a title because you will also have to resign him leaving you with a team thats roughly what it is now plus PG.

I will pass on that all day

[Somebody]

Obviously whether he is overrated depends on what the expectations are in the first place.  Fultz is not a generational prospect like Lebron (duh) or Duncan.  He may not even be a prospect on the level of Anthony Davis.  But these guys (minus Lebron) are at least within reach. 

He could be as good as Wall, Rose, Kyrie, and other guards at number #1.  Fultz is different that each of these stars; does some things worse, some things better.  For instance, Fultz is not as explosive as any of those three.  But he makes up for it in others ways; being shifty, change of pace, etc.  Fultz is also considerably bigger than Kyrie and longer than Rose and Wall.  He can also shoot better than Wall and Rose at the same stage. 

Is Fultz a guaranteed super duper star?  Not sure I would go that far.  But he might be.  And at worse, we're probably talking Damian Lillard.  Highest floor and highest ceiling.  What else can we ask for.

I think he has a chance to be a LeBron or Duncan type of guy...let's wait and see

I don't.  Lebron is arguably the greatest talent of all time.  Fultz is not that kind of prospect but no one has ever been.  Duncan is a big so hard to compare.  But he was a hall of fame prospect that delivered and then some.

Again we'll have to wait and see...I love the kid, I think he'll be a step above Kyrie and Wall in their rookie years

I think we can agree that Fultz is not THAT kind of prospect.  Could be reach that level?  Sure, ANYTHING is possible.  But I sure as heck wouldn't bet on it.

Sorry I'm betting on him being better than Kyrie and wall

I hope you're right.

Don't worry I will , my prediction is that he'll be better than rookie kyrie and wall right off the bat if he plays 30+ minutes and develops into the best PG in the league a few years later.

[Tr1boy]

My realistic expectation/ceiling of Fultz is McCollum...

2016/2017 highlights of McCollum below...   lots of similarities imo.  From physical tools, skillset... 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bybxsHWV40

[mahcus smaht]

My realistic expectation/ceiling of Fultz is McCollum...

2016/2017 highlights of McCollum below...   lots of similarities imo.  From physical tools, skillset... 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bybxsHWV40

expecation or ceiling?

I think thats a perfectly fair expectation. I think Fultz could completely reasonably become a better player than that.

[Somebody]

My realistic expectation/ceiling of Fultz is McCollum...

2016/2017 highlights of McCollum below...   lots of similarities imo.  From physical tools, skillset... 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bybxsHWV40

expecation or ceiling?

I think thats a perfectly fair expectation. I think Fultz could completely reasonably become a better player than that.

Well I expect him to be a James Harden type of player that can also play off ball, isn't as ball dominant and plays good defense. I do think if we get really lucky he can be a mini MJ (switch post play with 3 point shooting and add a bit more passing), but that's virtually impossible

[tarheelsxxiii]

My realistic expectation/ceiling of Fultz is McCollum...

2016/2017 highlights of McCollum below...   lots of similarities imo.  From physical tools, skillset... 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bybxsHWV40

McCollum is closer to his floor than ceiling.  You're disregarding Fultz's elite ball-handling and defensive potential (of which CJ has none).  Would you like him more if he was slotted for the 2nd round? 

[Somebody]

My realistic expectation/ceiling of Fultz is McCollum...

2016/2017 highlights of McCollum below...   lots of similarities imo.  From physical tools, skillset... 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bybxsHWV40

McCollum is closer to his floor than ceiling.  You're disregarding Fultz's elite ball-handling and defensive potential (of which CJ has none).  Would you like him more if he was slotted for the 2nd round?

I think he doesn't like players like Fultz, that's all

[Tr1boy]

My realistic expectation/ceiling of Fultz is McCollum...

2016/2017 highlights of McCollum below...   lots of similarities imo.  From physical tools, skillset... 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bybxsHWV40

McCollum is closer to his floor than ceiling.  You're disregarding Fultz's elite ball-handling and defensive potential (of which CJ has none).  Would you like him more if he was slotted for the 2nd round?

I think he doesn't like players like Fultz, that's all

Because I compare Fultz to McCollum (realistic ceiling imo) vs comparing him to Kyrie or Harden.... this means i don't like Fultz??

sorry i will compare Fultz to Kobe next time...geez