Woj: 76ers interested in Avery Bradley. What would you need to do deal?

[gouki88]

I'd be willing to take Covington straight up for AB. He's a good SF who can defend and shoot 3's...he's better than Crowder.

A worse 3 point shooter AND a worse defender yet he's somehow better than Crowder? Simply false.

[DavorCroatiaFan]

Bradley, Mickey, Jackson, Boston '18 first for
Šarić, Holmes, Covington and Lakers '18 first

We have cleared enough $ to sign Gordon Hayward
We take Markelle Fultz with first pick
We get cheap young rim protector in Holmes and cheap solid player in Covington
We get young all-around player in Šarić...who could help alot his countryman Žižić in transition to NBA

After trade we have:

Thomas / Fultz / Rozier
Brown / Smart / Fultz / 37.pick
Hayward / Crowder / Brown / Nader
Šarić / Crowder / Covington / Yabusele
Horford / Žižić / Holmes

We get much more size (Fultz 6-5, Hayward 6-7, Šarić and Holmes 6-10, Žižić 6-11, Covington 6-9, Nader 6-8 and Yabusele very wide 6-8). We upgrade our starting five and our bench.
Fultz is 19, Žižić 20, Brown 21, Yabusele 22, Šarić, Smart and Rozier 23, Holmes and Nader 24
Even our veterans are young...Hayward 27, Crowder 27, Thomas 28. Horford is 31 but he could age gracefully.
I believe this is the team that could beat Cleveland...and with Curry and Durant injury history you never know...
AND you could add to this team 2 LOTTERY PICK's next year (via Nets and Lakers)...basically you could have a chance to select two of Dončić, PorterJr, Ayton, Bamba and Bridges...and you are set up for 10+ years...
Dinasty!!!

[Chief Macho]

I want Bradley to finish his career here.  To me he's a organizational success.  Hopefully Danny feels the same way.

This is ridiculous fwiw

beat it.  it's a Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.ing opinion.

[jpotter33]

I'll say it again: as long as Bradley would agree to a sizable extension and Simmons is healthy, a #1 pick and Bradley for Simmons and #3 pick makes too much sense for both sides. You can make some minor adjustments to the trade with some throw-ins on our side or replacing the 3 pick with the 5 pick in a separate Philly/Sac deal, but the groundwork for that deal works really, really well for both sides.

Why would you want to give up the better prospect with more years of control? I mean, I guess if you absolutely have to trade Fultz, you could do worse than Simmons and Jackson in return, but quality is clearly preferable to quantity in basketball.

I think Fultz and Simmons are similarly talented prospects with similar ceilings, though Simmons' value right now is lower due to his injury and draft picks always being overhyped around the draft. Further, Philly needs a guard like Fultz much more than Boston, and Boston needs a big like Simmons much more than Philly. I just think it makes sense to make the trade for similarly talented prospects when they make each team fit together much better and strengthen each team's positional needs.

That being said, if you don't see Simmons as equal to Fultz, then I see why you wouldn't like this trade. I do, though perhaps it's because I'm a bit biased now after watching our bigs get destroyed all playoffs long.

I could also see being against this deal if you think we could land someone like Griffin this summer, which would make us not need Simmons anymore. That'd be my preferable route anyways.

[jambr380]

A friend was just telling me on this site www.nj.com/sports/nbamock draft they have a trade with Philly that goes like this:

Celtics trade 2017 No. 1 overall pick

Sixers trade No. 3 pick, Okafor, Holmes, and 2018 Lakers pick

It then has us trading again with the Kings.
Our new 3rd pick for the 5th and 10th picks, and we end up with Josh Jackson and Dennis Smith Jr.

In the end we end up with Okafor, Holmes, Jackson, Smith Jr. and the Lakers 18 pick. Lol

Would anyone do this? I think it would eat into our cap space more as well as have more of a roster crunch.

At the very least it seems like fair value.

Basically we would trade Fultz for Jackson and the Lakers pick - really pretty decent.

#10, Okafor, and Holmes are all solid pieces in their own right, but would really do a number on our roster size. If we could flip those three for an improvement somewhere else - say on a big man, it would seem to make sense.

Too many moving parts, though, with Philly and possibly Boston not agreeing to the deal.

[kozlodoev]

I'd be willing to take Covington straight up for AB. He's a good SF who can defend and shoot 3's...he's better than Crowder.

A worse 3 point shooter AND a worse defender yet he's somehow better than Crowder? Simply false.

This might have been true before Crowder became unable or unwilling to play defense. Not right now though.

[RodyTur10]

Giving Bradley a big deal makes no sense, for the team nor the salary cap. Giving a 2nd tier player big $$ when we're already overloaded with perimeter players (and players of his caliber) would be foolish. If we land Hayward, keeping AB is a virtual impossibility.

AB's been great for the team, but he represents the sort of in-between player that has us firmly below the NBA's best teams, and he's a progress stopper for Fultz or anyone else we get at the position. He has to go.

I disagree with a couple point of your post.

1. Bradley would be in his prime during the full extent of his next contract and the Celtics probably won't be in the position to sign a big free agent next year anyhow, so I do think a deal could make sense.
2. We are not overloaded with players of his caliber. He's in the discussion with Horford and Thomas for being our best player during the playoffs.
3. I see Bradley and Hayward as very different type of players and generally they don't play the same position, so to me they are not directly in each other's way.
4. He's an inbetween player who is very valuable in the right system. The Cavaliers could use him very well for instance.
5. I believe that Thomas or Smart is more likely to be a progress stopper for Fultz. In fact Bradley might be the ideal backcourt partner for Fultz. 

[liam]

Bradley, Mickey, Jackson, Boston '18 first for
Šarić, Holmes, Covington and Lakers '18 first

We have cleared enough $ to sign Gordon Hayward
We take Markelle Fultz with first pick
We get cheap young rim protector in Holmes and cheap solid player in Covington
We get young all-around player in Šarić...who could help alot his countryman Žižić in transition to NBA

After trade we have:

Thomas / Fultz / Rozier
Brown / Smart / Fultz / 37.pick
Hayward / Crowder / Brown / Nader
Šarić / Crowder / Covington / Yabusele
Horford / Žižić / Holmes

We get much more size (Fultz 6-5, Hayward 6-7, Šarić and Holmes 6-10, Žižić 6-11, Covington 6-9, Nader 6-8 and Yabusele very wide 6-8). We upgrade our starting five and our bench.
Fultz is 19, Žižić 20, Brown 21, Yabusele 22, Šarić, Smart and Rozier 23, Holmes and Nader 24
Even our veterans are young...Hayward 27, Crowder 27, Thomas 28. Horford is 31 but he could age gracefully.
I believe this is the team that could beat Cleveland...and with Curry and Durant injury history you never know...
AND you could add to this team 2 LOTTERY PICK's next year (via Nets and Lakers)...basically you could have a chance to select two of Dončić, PorterJr, Ayton, Bamba and Bridges...and you are set up for 10+ years...
Dinasty!!!

This is a very good trade for Boston. Philly does this if they are desperate for Bradley, who would change the culture over there...

[hwangjini_1]

I want Bradley to finish his career here.  To me he's a organizational success.  Hopefully Danny feels the same way.

This is ridiculous fwiw

beat it.  it's a ****ing opinion.

i wasnt aware that opinions could do that. 

[ETNCeltics]

I want Bradley to finish his career here.  To me he's a organizational success.  Hopefully Danny feels the same way.

This is ridiculous fwiw

beat it.  it's a ****ing opinion.

I'd love to see AB a Celtic in the future also, but given the realities of the cap and our ability to have a limited # of high salaried players, keeping him seems a bad decision. He's not a star but is going to command a salary of probably more than $20 million, and at a position at which we're overstocked. Seems to me the only way it's sensible to re-sign AB is if you aren't keeping IT.

And in my opinion, Ainge is keeping IT no matter what. 

[Diggles]

If moving Bradely "Netted" us Holmes and Okafor plus a second I would do it. 

Why:

It would save us 5 Million and give us two bigs with potential to break out and open up more playing time for the #1 pick and Brown.....

I love Bradley.  And he is much better than the two players we get in return, but I think Smart, Fultz and Brown would benefit from a Bradley vacancy.   That 2nd rounder should be in the 30s"   

I think its important for players to get some playing time.   This would also give us a chance to see what we are working with.   Bradley could always have a second reunion in 3/4 years with us. 

We can't keep Smart, IT and Bradley with out sacrificing $ at the PF positions.   This will also address a big weakness on rebounding.   

[loco_91]

Why oh why did the Sixers dump Noel for peanuts. He would be the natural ask in this trade. But I would settle for that unprotected 2019 Sacramento pick... 

[Diggles]

Giving Bradley a big deal makes no sense, for the team nor the salary cap. Giving a 2nd tier player big $$ when we're already overloaded with perimeter players (and players of his caliber) would be foolish. If we land Hayward, keeping AB is a virtual impossibility.

AB's been great for the team, but he represents the sort of in-between player that has us firmly below the NBA's best teams, and he's a progress stopper for Fultz or anyone else we get at the position. He has to go.

Valid points but Rozier is small like IT and Bradley. 

We need two Quick Guards and we need two bigger Strong Gaurds.   I think allowing Fults to come in an play SG would advance his progress.  I think we have 3 PG with Smart playing spot up minutes at the 2 Guards....   

IT/Rozier with PG duties  and Smart
Brown and Fultz with SG duties

I disagree with a couple point of your post.

1. Bradley would be in his prime during the full extent of his next contract and the Celtics probably won't be in the position to sign a big free agent next year anyhow, so I do think a deal could make sense.
2. We are not overloaded with players of his caliber. He's in the discussion with Horford and Thomas for being our best player during the playoffs.
3. I see Bradley and Hayward as very different type of players and generally they don't play the same position, so to me they are not directly in each other's way.
4. He's an inbetween player who is very valuable in the right system. The Cavaliers could use him very well for instance.
5. I believe that Thomas or Smart is more likely to be a progress stopper for Fultz. In fact Bradley might be the ideal backcourt partner for Fultz.

[GreenShooter]

Bradley, Mickey, Jackson, Boston '18 first for
Šarić, Holmes, Covington and Lakers '18 first

We have cleared enough $ to sign Gordon Hayward
We take Markelle Fultz with first pick
We get cheap young rim protector in Holmes and cheap solid player in Covington
We get young all-around player in Šarić...who could help alot his countryman Žižić in transition to NBA

After trade we have:

Thomas / Fultz / Rozier
Brown / Smart / Fultz / 37.pick
Hayward / Crowder / Brown / Nader
Šarić / Crowder / Covington / Yabusele
Horford / Žižić / Holmes

We get much more size (Fultz 6-5, Hayward 6-7, Šarić and Holmes 6-10, Žižić 6-11, Covington 6-9, Nader 6-8 and Yabusele very wide 6-8). We upgrade our starting five and our bench.
Fultz is 19, Žižić 20, Brown 21, Yabusele 22, Šarić, Smart and Rozier 23, Holmes and Nader 24
Even our veterans are young...Hayward 27, Crowder 27, Thomas 28. Horford is 31 but he could age gracefully.
I believe this is the team that could beat Cleveland...and with Curry and Durant injury history you never know...
AND you could add to this team 2 LOTTERY PICK's next year (via Nets and Lakers)...basically you could have a chance to select two of Dončić, PorterJr, Ayton, Bamba and Bridges...and you are set up for 10+ years...
Dinasty!!!

Ok, ummm, what does Philly get again? Bradley and the 28th pick next year? Someting wong hear.

[Csfan1984]

I keep AB and look for a trade that moves IT