Sac looking to trade 5 and 10 to move up (trade idea)

[Granath]

Would you trade a rookie Dwyane Wade type (Fultz) for a Monta Ellis type (Monk) and a Ryan Anderson type (Markkanen)?  Absolutely not.

Exactly this. We now have quantity with decent quality. We need to get elite quality. Before we didn't have either and it's always easier to acquire decent quality.

I think this quantity over quality thing boils down to two issues.

(1) I think there's an instinct to not put all your eggs in one basket. "What if Fultz fails" is scary and thus people want more bites at the apple...

(2) ...except all bites are not created equally. But for those who don't really follow the game, don't get a chance to see the tape or know how to evaluate what seem (on the surface) to be similar players there's a tendency to think that they're all relatively the same. Hence you get threads comparing De'Angelo Russell with Fultz because their size and stats are similar. But one look at the game tape shows an entirely different level of athleticism and skill set.

It's the same logic that people use to exclaim the day after the draft that that they got a "steal" with the #38 pick or calling the #29 a "bust" three years later. At that level anything you get over a replacement player is unexpected because those guys generally ARE the replacement players.

[ETNCeltics]

You know why everybody wants to trade with us? Because Markelle Fultz. 

That's pretty good evidence as to why we should immediately dismiss almost every trade offer. The only one that's remotely interesting is trading down with Philly for #3 plus the better of their #1s next year, but even then I'd pass. Getting, say, Ayton and Doncic would be awesome, but ultimately, even if the lottery fell right, that's too much risk to lose Fultz.

It's pretty obvious Danny's going to do the safe, smart thing and draft Fultz.

[tonydelk]

Would Celtics consider 5 and 10 with Big Willy  for #1 or SKal instead of Big Willy?

The only deal I would be happy the Celtics traded this years #1 in would be if we got Anthony Davis and that isn't happening.

[CFAN38]

no way

[jpotter33]

I expect Philly ends up making this trade if Ball doesn't fall to them. If they can get Fox at 5, who they're rumored to like, I think it makes much more sense for them to pick up that extra lottery pick. They could get someone like Justin Jackson at 10, who would be a good fit there on the wing for them.

[tarheelsxxiii]

Would you trade a rookie Dwyane Wade type (Fultz) for a Monta Ellis type (Monk) and a Ryan Anderson type (Markkanen)?  Absolutely not.

Exactly this. We now have quantity with decent quality. We need to get elite quality. Before we didn't have either and it's always easier to acquire decent quality.

I think this quantity over quality thing boils down to two issues.

(1) I think there's an instinct to not put all your eggs in one basket. "What if Fultz fails" is scary and thus people want more bites at the apple...

(2) ...except all bites are not created equally. But for those who don't really follow the game, don't get a chance to see the tape or know how to evaluate what seem (on the surface) to be similar players there's a tendency to think that they're all relatively the same. Hence you get threads comparing De'Angelo Russell with Fultz because their size and stats are similar. But one look at the game tape shows an entirely different level of athleticism and skill set.

It's the same logic that people use to exclaim the day after the draft that that they got a "steal" with the #38 pick or calling the #29 a "bust" three years later. At that level anything you get over a replacement player is unexpected because those guys generally ARE the replacement players.

This should be a reference sticky for the persistent tanking advocates, as it applies to our talented vets as well as the indiscriminate youth obsession.

[PhoSita]

No. You don't trade the number one pick for depth.

[Eddie20]

Philly should do this deal.

Then, the net results of Vlade's of various trades would be:

DeMarcus Cousins + unprotected 2019 SAC #1 for Buddy Hield and cap space to sign Nenad Krstic, Marco Belinelli and Rajon Rondo

Koufos, Kristic, what's the difference?

[Big333223]

Isn't it time to consolidate assets and add quality rather than collect assets and push success farther down the road hoping for less than elite talent to develop? Fultz is elite talent. You keep him and sign an All-Star level max free agent. You do not trade that dollar for 3 quarters.

It is.

It sure is.

[Roy H.]

Philly should do this deal.

Then, the net results of Vlade's of various trades would be:

DeMarcus Cousins + unprotected 2019 SAC #1 for Buddy Hield and cap space to sign Nenad Krstic, Marco Belinelli and Rajon Rondo

Koufos, Kristic, what's the difference?

Yep, I got my bad trades involving backup centers mixed up.

[Granath]

Would you trade a rookie Dwyane Wade type (Fultz) for a Monta Ellis type (Monk) and a Ryan Anderson type (Markkanen)?  Absolutely not.

Exactly this. We now have quantity with decent quality. We need to get elite quality. Before we didn't have either and it's always easier to acquire decent quality.

I think this quantity over quality thing boils down to two issues.

(1) I think there's an instinct to not put all your eggs in one basket. "What if Fultz fails" is scary and thus people want more bites at the apple...

(2) ...except all bites are not created equally. But for those who don't really follow the game, don't get a chance to see the tape or know how to evaluate what seem (on the surface) to be similar players there's a tendency to think that they're all relatively the same. Hence you get threads comparing De'Angelo Russell with Fultz because their size and stats are similar. But one look at the game tape shows an entirely different level of athleticism and skill set.

It's the same logic that people use to exclaim the day after the draft that that they got a "steal" with the #38 pick or calling the #29 a "bust" three years later. At that level anything you get over a replacement player is unexpected because those guys generally ARE the replacement players.

This should be a reference sticky for the persistent tanking advocates, as it applies to our talented vets as well as the indiscriminate youth obsession.

Thank you.

PS - TPs are welcome as well. 

[OldSchoolDude]

No way I'm giving up arguably the best guard prospect in the last decade, and  possibly longer than that.

I'd trade Marcus Smart for the #5 if Johnathan Isaacs was still there and I'd also trade Smart for the #10 if Zack Collins was still there.   We probably have a good chance of trading Smart for the #10, if that's what Danny tried to do.

Smart is a RFA 7/1/2018 and with the way Rozier is developing I don't see us keeping Smart.  2018 free agency is going to be full of tough choices as we can probably only keep one of IT, Smart, and Bradley.  Smart may be worth more than the 10th pick to some but that's why a trade like that gets done. 

[Darío SpanishFan]

We are in the stage of consolidation of assets, not expansion. No way.

[loco_91]

If they add in all of their tradeable first round picks for the next decade I'd consider it.

Let's rob 'em blind

I'd feel so bad for Fultz though

[Ilikesports17]

No way I'm giving up arguably the best guard prospect in the last decade, and  possibly longer than that.

I'd trade Marcus Smart for the #5 if Johnathan Isaacs was still there and I'd also trade Smart for the #10 if Zack Collins was still there.   We probably have a good chance of trading Smart for the #10, if that's what Danny tried to do.

Smart is a RFA 7/1/2018 and with the way Rozier is developing I don't see us keeping Smart.  2018 free agency is going to be full of tough choices as we can probably only keep one of IT, Smart, and Bradley.  Smart may be worth more than the 10th pick to some but that's why a trade like that gets done.

if hes the best in the past decade, then hes probably the best since Iverson.