Zizic's trade value

[Darío SpanishFan]

Some people would trade their own family just for fun. Why on earth would we trade a possible good player in our position of need?

[SHAQATTACK]

not tradeable till...

i see m play

[tonydelk]

The Celtics definitely can't trade this guy because he fits a great need on this Celtics team and has a ton of potential.  Plus he will be cheap for the next 4 years.  With all of the players the C's have that will get raises they need some low cost talent.

Now for Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.esandgiggs last year Teague and Hill were moved and the 12 pick was netted in return in a 3 team trade.  Teague and Hill were both in contract years.

Below are Free Agents for 2018 that would work talent wise but not Salary Wise.

Derrick Favors
Trevor Booker
Jabari Parker
Aaron Gordon

[vjcsmoke]

People here probably want to trade him for a couple of 2nd round picks.  LOL.

Answer - no trade value because he hasn't shown anything yet.

Let's bring him into camp, summer league, etc. and see what he's got first.

[Beat LA]

Well, given IT is worth a middle 2nd round pick to a vocal contingent of CBers, I'd imagine Zizic would return a relatively new vending machine.

What kind of vending machine?

Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that this guy would, in fact, be taken around the 10th pick in this year's draft.  What and/or who could he then land us in a possible trade?  Could he get us a late lottery pick, or would it be more likely that he could fetch a return of one or two mid-first rounders/seconds?  I'm just curious to hear everyone's thoughts on the matter .

If he could be taken with around the 10th pick, I'd expect he'd get at least around the 10th pick.  Teams don't regularly trade the 10th pick in the draft for the 15th pick in the same draft, and if go on your assumption that he's would be taken with the 10th pick, then that's essentially what your saying by wondering if he could fetch a mid-1st rounder.  Consider also that his salary will be roughly half of what pick #10 gets, and he has even more value.

I don't personally buy into the "he'd be picked around 10" hypothesis, but if he would be, logically that's approximately what he'd bring in return.

Neither do I, and I'm sorry for asking such a dumb question, it's just that the Kings already have the immortal Willie Cauley Stein (sarcasm) and Georgios Papagiannis, even though I know next to nothing about the latter except for the fact that Kings' fans seem to hate him, iirc, so do you think that Vlade and co. would deem Zizic to be good enough, on his own, to part with the 10th pick?  I'm not sure (although my guess is probably not), hence the question.  Still, my apologies.  Sigh.

People here probably want to trade him for a couple of 2nd round picks.  LOL.

Answer - no trade value because he hasn't shown anything yet.

Let's bring him into camp, summer league, etc. and see what he's got first.

Nah, at least a first rounder , but your point is well founded, imo, as I'm not sure how he could fetch such a hefty return already without even playing in the summer league, yet, unless he's really just THAT GOOD (and I'm not saying that he is or isn't, btw). 

I guess that I'm just skeptical because we've heard this kind of thing before, and from more reputable sources in Ainge, Bulpett, Calipari (well, I personally wouldn't call him reputable, lol ), and Stevens, iirc, about how James Young would have been a top 10 pick in 2015 had he elected to return to Kentucky, so yeah . Ugh.

[hpantazo]

Of course, when we actually do draft a legit center with potential, everyone wants to trade him before he even plays a game for us!

[Beat LA]

Of course, when we actually do draft a legit center with potential, everyone wants to trade him before he even plays a game for us!

I'm not necessarily advocating that we trade the guy, but I am interested in knowing what, if anything, he could bring back in a trade.  Is that not allowed?

[PAOBoston]

He was picked 23rd last year in the first round.

He really didn't do anything to hurt his value this year. You can argue he actually opened some eyes and improved it.

Realistically, considering the lack of big men in the draft, I'd say his value is late lotto (in the 8-14 range). If he were in the draft this year, that's were I would envision him getting drafted.

[Big333223]

It's a good question. He's only 20 years old, has a great NBA body and has played well in good competition overseas. He also seems eager to come to the US to compete. The problem is, he's not a 3 point shooter (yet?) and what is the value of traditional bigs around the league who don't shoot? The question along with that: can he switch onto smaller players on defense? If he can't do either of those things, I think his value around the NBA is limited.

But I'm excited to bring him in and see what he's capable of and wouldn't want to trade him anyway.

I have to say, though, I find it pretty annoying that the OP started a thread with an honest question and most of the responses have just been accusatory "Why do you want to trade him?" style posts even though the OP never advocated for that.

[Surferdad]

The Celtics definitely can't trade this guy because he fits a great need on this Celtics team and has a ton of potential.  Plus he will be cheap for the next 4 years.  With all of the players the C's have that will get raises they need some low cost talent.

Now for ****esandgiggs last year Teague and Hill were moved and the 12 pick was netted in return in a 3 team trade.  Teague and Hill were both in contract years.

Below are Free Agents for 2018 that would work talent wise but not Salary Wise.

Derrick Favors
Trevor Booker
Jabari Parker
Aaron Gordon

Interesting list.  If those are the choices, keep Zizic.

Favors - Doesn't move the needle enough by himself
Booker - Bad fit with IT and suspect defense
Parker - Damaged goods
Gordon - See all the nauseating threads about this highly athletic non-basketball player.

[CelticsBR]

Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that this guy would, in fact, be taken around the 10th pick in this year's draft.  What and/or who could he then land us in a possible trade?  Could he get us a late lottery pick, or would it be more likely that he could fetch a return of one or two mid-first rounders/seconds?  I'm just curious to hear everyone's thoughts on the matter .

If he could be taken with around the 10th pick, I'd expect he'd get at least around the 10th pick.  Teams don't regularly trade the 10th pick in the draft for the 15th pick in the same draft, and if go on your assumption that he's would be taken with the 10th pick, then that's essentially what your saying by wondering if he could fetch a mid-1st rounder.  Consider also that his salary will be roughly half of what pick #10 gets, and he has even more value.

I don't personally buy into the "he'd be picked around 10" hypothesis, but if he would be, logically that's approximately what he'd bring in return.

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[footey]

I find it humorous that a thread has been started about the "trade value" of a center who has not even played here yet, who could fill a position of great need for us starting next year, namely rebounding and interior toughness.

[ThePaintedArea]

Of course, when we actually do draft a legit center with potential, everyone wants to trade him before he even plays a game for us!

I'm not necessarily advocating that we trade the guy, but I am interested in knowing what, if anything, he could bring back in a trade.  Is that not allowed?

Yes, it's a good question.  I think that it's likely Zizic has no future in Boston, at least as long as Ainge and Stevens are running the show - you cannot run offense through him at all, and that is what the Celtics want their bigs to be able to do. You give him the ball, and he's shooting it.

On the other hand, there is a place for him in the modern NBA - Tristan Thompson and Steven Adams have carved out essential roles for themselves on good teams.

[Darío SpanishFan]

I think that it's likely Zizic has no future in Boston, at least as long as Ainge and Stevens are running the show - you cannot run offense through him at all, and that is what the Celtics want their bigs to be able to do.

Then... why was he chosen? And don't tell me the stash thing, because Ainge could have chosen Zubac, Korkmaz or traded the pick instead.

[ETNCeltics]

It's absurd how some people paint CBS into a box, as if he doesn't know how to coach big men.

In spite of what Brad might prefer to do, he knows he can't get away with small ball 100% of the time, he knows that he has to have a tough, big to do the dirty work. The # of times we were pummeled on the boards isn't lost to him. He's also not stupid enough to think we're going to find a 7 footer who can rebound, play D, and yet have an offensive game good enough to play on the perimeter or run the offense (there are what, 3 or 4 of those guys in the entire league?).

Some of you act like if we got Kevin McHale we'd have to trade him for a bag of groceries, because hey, CBS would have no idea what to do with him or how to incorporate him into his team.