Does anyone still want to trade for George/Butler

[iadera]

Celtics have no chance to be better than Cleveland or GS in the next 5 years so trading away picks for guys like George or butler would be devastating

We already have so many young players and picks, I don't see any problem in giving some of them for player like Butler, who's btw. also 27, not an old veteran.

[Ilikesports17]

Celtics have no chance to be better than Cleveland or GS in the next 5 years so trading away picks for guys like George or butler would be devastating

We already have so many young players and picks, I don't see any problem in giving some of them for player like Butler, who's btw. also 27, not an old veteran.

Im not sure this is true.

We have a lot of middling young guys and picks:

Yabusele, Rozier, Clippers pick, Memphis pick future Celtics picks, assorted second rounders

we have a few solid young players and picks:

Zizic and Smart

We have exactly 3 great young players and picks
Jaylen Brown, #1 overall, '18 Nets pick

We dont have enough great young players and picks to just give any of them away. Our future is built primarily around those three guys.

If you can get Jimmy Butler with some collection of Zizic's and Smart's and Rozier's and second rounders, than I will most likely be willing to sacrifice some of the future for a veteran like Jimmy Butler. I just dont think you are gonna be able to get Jimmy without giving up a great future asset  and we DONT have a surplus of those. We have a surplus of middling future assets.

[nickagneta]

Celtics have no chance to be better than Cleveland or GS in the next 5 years so trading away picks for guys like George or butler would be devastating

We already have so many young players and picks, I don't see any problem in giving some of them for player like Butler, who's btw. also 27, not an old veteran.

Im not sure this is true.

We have a lot of middling young guys and picks:

Yabusele, Rozier, Clippers pick, Memphis pick future Celtics picks, assorted second rounders

we have a few solid young players and picks:

Zizic and Smart

We have exactly 3 great young players and picks
Jaylen Brown, #1 overall, '18 Nets pick

We dont have enough great young players and picks to just give any of them away. Our future is built primarily around those three guys.

If you can get Jimmy Butler with some collection of Zizic's and Smart's and Rozier's and second rounders, than I will most likely be willing to sacrifice some of the future for a veteran like Jimmy Butler. I just dont think you are gonna be able to get Jimmy without giving up a great future asset  and we DONT have a surplus of those. We have a surplus of middling future assets.

I would have no problem trading the 2018 Nets pick, Zeller, Smart and Rozier for Butler. Draft Fultz. Trade Bradley for a future 1st. Sign Hayward. Re-Sign KO. Sign Jerebko using Room exception. Sign Amir to vet min


IT/Fultz
Butler/Brown
Hayward/Brown/Nader
Horford/Jerebko
KO/Amir/Zizic

[Darío SpanishFan]

I would have no problem trading the 2018 Nets pick, Zeller, Smart and Rozier for Butler. Draft Fultz. Trade Bradley for a future 1st. Sign Hayward. Re-Sign KO. Sign Jerebko using Room exception. Sign Amir to vet min


IT/Fultz
Butler/Brown
Hayward/Brown/Nader
Horford/Jerebko
KO/Amir/Zizic

I would. This team still can't compete with these Warriors and you may be giving up a number 1 pick in 2018, where it seems there are franchise-altering bigs.

[Surferdad]

I would have no problem trading the 2018 Nets pick, Zeller, Smart and Rozier for Butler. Draft Fultz. Trade Bradley for a future 1st. Sign Hayward. Re-Sign KO. Sign Jerebko using Room exception. Sign Amir to vet min


IT/Fultz
Butler/Brown
Hayward/Brown/Nader
Horford/Jerebko
KO/Amir/Zizic

I would. This team still can't compete with these Warriors and you may be giving up a number 1 pick in 2018, where it seems there are franchise-altering bigs.

If there is a 'chink' in the Warriors armor, it is the big men.  Cavs can't take advantage b/c their frontcourt is not great either (except LeBron).  This team's big men is no different than the current C's frontcourt, you just added Hayward/Butler who are obviously not better than Durant/Curry.

[nickagneta]

I would have no problem trading the 2018 Nets pick, Zeller, Smart and Rozier for Butler. Draft Fultz. Trade Bradley for a future 1st. Sign Hayward. Re-Sign KO. Sign Jerebko using Room exception. Sign Amir to vet min


IT/Fultz
Butler/Brown
Hayward/Brown/Nader
Horford/Jerebko
KO/Amir/Zizic

I would. This team still can't compete with these Warriors and you may be giving up a number 1 pick in 2018, where it seems there are franchise-altering bigs.

So basically you want to kick the can down the road 5 or 6 years and hope to death you get lucky and that all this youth develops into superstars. I say the above team could compete with Cleveland and GSW. It might take those teams having an injury to beat them or maybe one of those teams has some below expected play...like Miami versus Dallas. But I would definitely give up a super young undeveloped teenager for Butler to try to win now and later.

[PAOBoston]

Depends on the price.

I'd still start the off-season by drafting Fultz and going hard after Hayward. Then, I'd wait it out and see what offers/prices were out there. Maybe if they wait until mid-season, the price for George won't be too high.

[Darío SpanishFan]

I would have no problem trading the 2018 Nets pick, Zeller, Smart and Rozier for Butler. Draft Fultz. Trade Bradley for a future 1st. Sign Hayward. Re-Sign KO. Sign Jerebko using Room exception. Sign Amir to vet min


IT/Fultz
Butler/Brown
Hayward/Brown/Nader
Horford/Jerebko
KO/Amir/Zizic

I would. This team still can't compete with these Warriors and you may be giving up a number 1 pick in 2018, where it seems there are franchise-altering bigs.

So basically you want to kick the can down the road 5 or 6 years and hope to death you get lucky and that all this youth develops into superstars. I say the above team could compete with Cleveland and GSW. It might take those teams having an injury to beat them or maybe one of those teams has some below expected play...like Miami versus Dallas. But I would definitely give up a super young undeveloped teenager for Butler to try to win now and later.

I say it couldn't. I can reluctantly accept you can bring the Cavs into seven games in two years (slightly worse LeBron) if you can afford that after extending IT, but you can't compete with Curry, Klay, Draymond and Durant.

[KGs Knee]

I would have no problem trading the 2018 Nets pick, Zeller, Smart and Rozier for Butler. Draft Fultz. Trade Bradley for a future 1st. Sign Hayward. Re-Sign KO. Sign Jerebko using Room exception. Sign Amir to vet min


IT/Fultz
Butler/Brown
Hayward/Brown/Nader
Horford/Jerebko
KO/Amir/Zizic

I would. This team still can't compete with these Warriors and you may be giving up a number 1 pick in 2018, where it seems there are franchise-altering bigs.

So basically you want to kick the can down the road 5 or 6 years and hope to death you get lucky and that all this youth develops into superstars. I say the above team could compete with Cleveland and GSW. It might take those teams having an injury to beat them or maybe one of those teams has some below expected play...like Miami versus Dallas. But I would definitely give up a super young undeveloped teenager for Butler to try to win now and later.

I say it couldn't. I can reluctantly accept you can bring the Cavs into seven games in two years (slightly worse LeBron) if you can afford that after extending IT, but you can't compete with Curry, Klay, Draymond and Durant.

You are certainly not the only one think/feel this way, but I have to say I find it absolutely abhorrent.  It's the most defeatist, lame, noncompetitive mindset.  To just throw your hands up and say, "no mas", really bothers me as a fan. I can't condone this type of mindset, and I pray Danny Ainge doesn't think this way.

Personally, I'd prefer to trade for Paul George.  To me he's a better player than Jimmy Butler.  I think PG absolutely puts us in the conversation with Cleveland.  As for GSW, we'll see what happens with that team and what the roster looks like next year.  Their bench is getting older and it is going to put an enormous amount of pressure on the starters eventually.

I would absolutely not trade the 2017 #1 pick though.  I wouldn't trade that pick for anyone that would realistically be available.

[nickagneta]

I would have no problem trading the 2018 Nets pick, Zeller, Smart and Rozier for Butler. Draft Fultz. Trade Bradley for a future 1st. Sign Hayward. Re-Sign KO. Sign Jerebko using Room exception. Sign Amir to vet min


IT/Fultz
Butler/Brown
Hayward/Brown/Nader
Horford/Jerebko
KO/Amir/Zizic

I would. This team still can't compete with these Warriors and you may be giving up a number 1 pick in 2018, where it seems there are franchise-altering bigs.

So basically you want to kick the can down the road 5 or 6 years and hope to death you get lucky and that all this youth develops into superstars. I say the above team could compete with Cleveland and GSW. It might take those teams having an injury to beat them or maybe one of those teams has some below expected play...like Miami versus Dallas. But I would definitely give up a super young undeveloped teenager for Butler to try to win now and later.

I say it couldn't. I can reluctantly accept you can bring the Cavs into seven games in two years (slightly worse LeBron) if you can afford that after extending IT, but you can't compete with Curry, Klay, Draymond and Durant.

You are certainly not the only one think/feel this way, but I have to say I find it absolutely abhorrent.  It's the most defeatist, lame, noncompetitive mindset.  To just throw your hands up and say, "no mas", really bothers me as a fan. I can't condone this type of mindset, and I pray Danny Ainge doesn't think this way.

Personally, I'd prefer to trade for Paul George.  To me he's a better player than Jimmy Butler.  I think PG absolutely puts us in the conversation with Cleveland.  As for GSW, we'll see what happens with that team and what the roster looks like next year.  Their bench is getting older and it is going to put an enormous amount of pressure on the starters eventually.

I would absolutely not trade the 2017 #1 pick though.  I wouldn't trade that pick for anyone that would realistically be available.

TP

[PaulP34]

After watching these finals?

Not even sure George/Butler gets us to 6 or 7 against Cleveland, and Cleveland can't even hang with GoldenState

You'd be nutty to still want to trade the picks/brown for anyone older than 24 or so.

Only way id trade for Butler is if the Bulls would take Bradley, Crowder, Olynyk and Rozier and maybe the 2019 Clippers 1st round pick. Brooklyn picks and Brown out of the equation. Not worth it.

Build for the future. I dont care if we miss the playoffs the next few years cause in the long run, this team is better off waiting for Jaylen Brown, Markelle Fultz and the 018 pick develop.

I'd still take 10 years of dominance over a 3 or 4 year window.

IMO signing Al Horford handycapped us a bit. We bit the bullet on that one and i dont wanna see us biting anymore by trading good picks for aging stars such as PG13 or Butler

[RLewis35]

After watching these finals?

Not even sure George/Butler gets us to 6 or 7 against Cleveland, and Cleveland can't even hang with GoldenState

You'd be nutty to still want to trade the picks/brown for anyone older than 24 or so.

Only way id trade for Butler is if the Bulls would take Bradley, Crowder, Olynyk and Rozier and maybe the 2019 Clippers 1st round pick. Brooklyn picks and Brown out of the equation. Not worth it.

Build for the future. I dont care if we miss the playoffs the next few years cause in the long run, this team is better off waiting for Jaylen Brown, Markelle Fultz and the 018 pick develop.

I'd still take 10 years of dominance over a 3 or 4 year window.

IMO signing Al Horford handycapped us a bit. We bit the bullet on that one and i dont wanna see us biting anymore by trading good picks for aging stars such as PG13 or Butler

If Horford led to Durant, like it was rumored it might, we could very well be in the lead in the NBA finals right now.  Durant is that good to elevate us to that point, IMO.

While Horford may hamstring us a bit financially, he was an essential piece to the conference finals run, and will help lead us to 2-3 more conf finals runs, IMO, which will be excellent experience for Jaylen, Markelle, Smart and other young players who will be the core of our next champion.  And if GS blows up somehow or injuries derail Cle or GS, we have a chance next year to win it all (if we sign Hayward).

[Ilikesports17]

I would have no problem trading the 2018 Nets pick, Zeller, Smart and Rozier for Butler. Draft Fultz. Trade Bradley for a future 1st. Sign Hayward. Re-Sign KO. Sign Jerebko using Room exception. Sign Amir to vet min


IT/Fultz
Butler/Brown
Hayward/Brown/Nader
Horford/Jerebko
KO/Amir/Zizic

I would. This team still can't compete with these Warriors and you may be giving up a number 1 pick in 2018, where it seems there are franchise-altering bigs.

So basically you want to kick the can down the road 5 or 6 years and hope to death you get lucky and that all this youth develops into superstars. I say the above team could compete with Cleveland and GSW. It might take those teams having an injury to beat them or maybe one of those teams has some below expected play...like Miami versus Dallas. But I would definitely give up a super young undeveloped teenager for Butler to try to win now and later.

I say it couldn't. I can reluctantly accept you can bring the Cavs into seven games in two years (slightly worse LeBron) if you can afford that after extending IT, but you can't compete with Curry, Klay, Draymond and Durant.

You are certainly not the only one think/feel this way, but I have to say I find it absolutely abhorrent.  It's the most defeatist, lame, noncompetitive mindset.  To just throw your hands up and say, "no mas", really bothers me as a fan. I can't condone this type of mindset, and I pray Danny Ainge doesn't think this way.

Personally, I'd prefer to trade for Paul George.  To me he's a better player than Jimmy Butler.  I think PG absolutely puts us in the conversation with Cleveland.  As for GSW, we'll see what happens with that team and what the roster looks like next year.  Their bench is getting older and it is going to put an enormous amount of pressure on the starters eventually.

I would absolutely not trade the 2017 #1 pick though.  I wouldn't trade that pick for anyone that would realistically be available.

TP

the golden state warriors are unique.

Although if Danny felt confident he could get Hayward and Butler without giving up Fultz or Brown, then I do think its probably worth doing.

That team would be really really good. I'm. It sure people here are appreciating how good Hayward and Butler are.

[jay]

A top 7 of:

IT
Fultz
Smart
Hayward
Butler
Brown
Horford

...would be pretty special. Adding the 2018 Nets pick would be huge and hoefully keep Zizic.

[obnoxiousmime]

I would have no problem trading the 2018 Nets pick, Zeller, Smart and Rozier for Butler. Draft Fultz. Trade Bradley for a future 1st. Sign Hayward. Re-Sign KO. Sign Jerebko using Room exception. Sign Amir to vet min


IT/Fultz
Butler/Brown
Hayward/Brown/Nader
Horford/Jerebko
KO/Amir/Zizic

I would. This team still can't compete with these Warriors and you may be giving up a number 1 pick in 2018, where it seems there are franchise-altering bigs.

So basically you want to kick the can down the road 5 or 6 years and hope to death you get lucky and that all this youth develops into superstars. I say the above team could compete with Cleveland and GSW. It might take those teams having an injury to beat them or maybe one of those teams has some below expected play...like Miami versus Dallas. But I would definitely give up a super young undeveloped teenager for Butler to try to win now and later.

I say it couldn't. I can reluctantly accept you can bring the Cavs into seven games in two years (slightly worse LeBron) if you can afford that after extending IT, but you can't compete with Curry, Klay, Draymond and Durant.

You are certainly not the only one think/feel this way, but I have to say I find it absolutely abhorrent.  It's the most defeatist, lame, noncompetitive mindset.  To just throw your hands up and say, "no mas", really bothers me as a fan. I can't condone this type of mindset, and I pray Danny Ainge doesn't think this way.

Personally, I'd prefer to trade for Paul George.  To me he's a better player than Jimmy Butler.  I think PG absolutely puts us in the conversation with Cleveland.  As for GSW, we'll see what happens with that team and what the roster looks like next year.  Their bench is getting older and it is going to put an enormous amount of pressure on the starters eventually.

I would absolutely not trade the 2017 #1 pick though.  I wouldn't trade that pick for anyone that would realistically be available.

Having an accurate appraisal of your team vs. the competition is an important part of Ainge's job. If he thinks making a deal for George or Butler will not improve the team enough to win a title, he won't make the deal since the asset cost will likely be great. You may have a rosier outlook than others about this team's potential in the near future, but that's an opinion. If others don't share the same opinion, why is it "defeatist"?

Golden State is being compared to the greatest teams in history. It's not a crazy opinion to think that there isn't any one move out there that can make us competitive with them, and we're not even competitive with the Cavs yet. How quickly we forget that they pasted us in the ECF.