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Re: AB is likely gone on draft draft (speculation)
« Reply #60 on: June 06, 2017, 06:14:20 PM »

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I think Ainge might trade Bradley for Butler if it didn't involve either Nets picks.

Re: AB is likely gone on draft draft (speculation)
« Reply #61 on: June 06, 2017, 06:35:29 PM »

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I think Ainge might trade Bradley for Butler if it didn't involve either Nets picks.

I'm sure we'd trade Bradley for KD or KAT, too.

Re: AB is likely gone on draft draft (speculation)
« Reply #62 on: June 11, 2017, 10:32:25 AM »

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Let's try to look at this from the Wolves perspective. You want to give me what is essentially an expiring contract and two unproven players who were drafted in the teens for the 7th pick in what is believed to be a very deep draft? Not happening. The same holds true for the offer to the Knicks for the 8th pick. Teams drafting at 7or 8 are hoping to get an All-Star, not role players and roster fillers. It doesn't guarantee that they will get an All-Star, but they will be fishing in the right pond.

Keep in mind Ibaka was a high end role player going into a contract year and was traded for #11, Oladipo and Ilyasova. If Thibs really is looking to move this team into the playoffs then he could take the calculated risk and trade for AB. Minn has never been a FA hot spot so the draft and trades are their only way to add talent. Is there a better system and team fit out there right now then AB to Minn? You also have to remember that the longer they wait for players to develop the closer they get to resigning Wiggings and KAT. If they are not perennial playoff contenders what kind of chance do they have to resign either of these players?

I would say Ibaka at the time was considered more than a "high-end role player“ even though his game had been deteriorating slightly and steadily the last few years. Still, just because one team ripped another off doesn't mean Minnesota will behave similarly.

Wiggins and KT will be restricted FAs. Re-signing them is almost certainly guaranteed.

It will be very difficult to get a pick in the top 8-10 this year, because teams believe the draft is very deep from 2-10. There may not be a lot of potential stars after Fultz, but there are a lot of guys who could be starters eventually.

The wolves could draft and roll the dice with their seven pick, hoping that in a few years they'll have a starter. Or they could get a guy who is 26 today - not old, just entering his prime - who is already an all-NBA defensive player and an established starter on a 53-win team. Who happens to shoot 40% from 3, on a team that desperately needs shooting, and has great professionalism/competitiveness.

The only reservation they could have is the length of his contract. That, I do get. But just having him next year gives them a good chance of getting to the playoffs, and if he's willing to extend at a reasonable price it seems like a very good deal for them. That seven pick is, what, about a 30% chance of netting a player who becomes as good as AB a few years from now?  They have young players with awesome star potential. They need a few solid pros to add to the mix.

Re: AB is likely gone on draft draft (speculation)
« Reply #63 on: June 11, 2017, 10:49:43 AM »

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Let's try to look at this from the Wolves perspective. You want to give me what is essentially an expiring contract and two unproven players who were drafted in the teens for the 7th pick in what is believed to be a very deep draft? Not happening. The same holds true for the offer to the Knicks for the 8th pick. Teams drafting at 7or 8 are hoping to get an All-Star, not role players and roster fillers. It doesn't guarantee that they will get an All-Star, but they will be fishing in the right pond.

Keep in mind Ibaka was a high end role player going into a contract year and was traded for #11, Oladipo and Ilyasova. If Thibs really is looking to move this team into the playoffs then he could take the calculated risk and trade for AB. Minn has never been a FA hot spot so the draft and trades are their only way to add talent. Is there a better system and team fit out there right now then AB to Minn? You also have to remember that the longer they wait for players to develop the closer they get to resigning Wiggings and KAT. If they are not perennial playoff contenders what kind of chance do they have to resign either of these players?

I would say Ibaka at the time was considered more than a "high-end role player“ even though his game had been deteriorating slightly and steadily the last few years. Still, just because one team ripped another off doesn't mean Minnesota will behave similarly.

Wiggins and KT will be restricted FAs. Re-signing them is almost certainly guaranteed.

It will be very difficult to get a pick in the top 8-10 this year, because teams believe the draft is very deep from 2-10. There may not be a lot of potential stars after Fultz, but there are a lot of guys who could be starters eventually.

The wolves could draft and roll the dice with their seven pick, hoping that in a few years they'll have a starter. Or they could get a guy who is 26 today - not old, just entering his prime - who is already an all-NBA defensive player and an established starter on a 53-win team. Who happens to shoot 40% from 3, on a team that desperately needs shooting, and has great professionalism/competitiveness.

The only reservation they could have is the length of his contract. That, I do get. But just having him next year gives them a good chance of getting to the playoffs, and if he's willing to extend at a reasonable price it seems like a very good deal for them. That seven pick is, what, about a 30% chance of netting a player who becomes as good as AB a few years from now?  They have young players with awesome star potential. They need a few solid pros to add to the mix.

AB for the 10th pick where Marrkanen projected makes a ton of sense for both teams. Wolves don't need an other young kid. Dunn/Wiggins/Towns/LAvine along with Muhammod are plenty. Tibbs needs a vet defender to get these guys locked in, and AB would be great for them.

MArrakanen would be a good pick up. More athletic KO, who knows he's also a center. Plays D like KO where he uses the angles and gets to spots, but could be a better out side shooter. Maybe not as good passer, but solid. And cheaper. You could also go for Collins,Smith Jr or reach a little on Justin Jackson.   

Re: AB is likely gone on draft draft (speculation)
« Reply #64 on: June 11, 2017, 12:09:59 PM »

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MArrakanen would be a good pick up. More athletic KO, who knows he's also a center. Plays D like KO where he uses the angles and gets to spots, but could be a better out side shooter. Maybe not as good passer, but solid. And cheaper. You could also go for Collins,Smith Jr or reach a little on Justin Jackson.   

You were doing so well until the bolded part.  Is he going to watch Cavs guys go by him too, without reacting?

Re: AB is likely gone on draft draft (speculation)
« Reply #65 on: June 11, 2017, 12:45:23 PM »

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AB, Smart, and Crowder hopefully in trade/s tht bring us back max value even including future picks (like philly's SAC 2019 unprotected)...only if we sign Hayward.

Jaylen Brown and Fultz and even Rozier can handle all the minutes at 1-3.

Re: AB is likely gone on draft draft (speculation)
« Reply #66 on: June 12, 2017, 02:31:38 PM »

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I'd like to see Bradley, #37, and #53 traded to Minny for #7. Thibs gets a perfect 2 guard to play next to Rubio and we can draft Markkanen to replace Olynyk, consolidate some assets, and free up more cap space.

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« Reply #67 on: June 12, 2017, 02:52:50 PM »

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AB, Smart, and Crowder hopefully in trade/s tht bring us back max value even including future picks (like philly's SAC 2019 unprotected)...only if we sign Hayward.

Jaylen Brown and Fultz and even Rozier can handle all the minutes at 1-3.
If you trade the 3 guys that defined the team, you no longer have the same team.

Re: AB is likely gone on draft draft (speculation)
« Reply #68 on: June 12, 2017, 02:54:29 PM »

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I'd like to see Bradley, #37, and #53 traded to Minny for #7. Thibs gets a perfect 2 guard to play next to Rubio and we can draft Markkanen to replace Olynyk, consolidate some assets, and free up more cap space.
This deal makes some sense.  I'd hate to see Bradley go, but this seems fair.  Makes us worse in the short term though.

Re: AB is likely gone on draft draft (speculation)
« Reply #69 on: June 12, 2017, 03:10:25 PM »

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I'd like to see Bradley, #37, and #53 traded to Minny for #7. Thibs gets a perfect 2 guard to play next to Rubio and we can draft Markkanen to replace Olynyk, consolidate some assets, and free up more cap space.
This deal makes some sense.  I'd hate to see Bradley go, but this seems fair.  Makes us worse in the short term though.

Not if we sign Hayward and draft Fultz.

It would be great to get another mid-lottery pick for AB, but the problem of signing Hayward to a full max would still be a problem unless we are also letting KO go (okay, nm, I think that is most everybody's plan). I would want to keep JJ then.

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Re: AB is likely gone on draft draft (speculation)
« Reply #70 on: June 12, 2017, 03:13:04 PM »

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I'd like to see Bradley, #37, and #53 traded to Minny for #7. Thibs gets a perfect 2 guard to play next to Rubio and we can draft Markkanen to replace Olynyk, consolidate some assets, and free up more cap space.
This deal makes some sense.  I'd hate to see Bradley go, but this seems fair.  Makes us worse in the short term though.

Not if we sign Hayward and draft Fultz.

It would be great to get another mid-lottery pick for AB, but the problem of signing Hayward to a full max would still be a problem unless we are also letting KO go (okay, nm, I think that is most everybody's plan). I would want to keep JJ then.

EDIT: Just reached Paul Silas status - Sweet!  ;D

Hayward would make The Celtics SO much better. He is an all star and his numbers would go way up on a faster paced team.

Re: AB is likely gone on draft draft (speculation)
« Reply #71 on: June 12, 2017, 03:44:12 PM »

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AB, Smart, and Crowder hopefully in trade/s tht bring us back max value even including future picks (like philly's SAC 2019 unprotected)...only if we sign Hayward.

Jaylen Brown and Fultz and even Rozier can handle all the minutes at 1-3.
If you trade the 3 guys that defined the team, you no longer have the same team.
Can't deny that, but the fact remains that those 3 guys and the team they defined aren't good enough.

Re: AB is likely gone on draft draft (speculation)
« Reply #72 on: June 12, 2017, 05:19:12 PM »

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lol come on....we are not getting a top 10 pick in this years draft for avery bradley

Re: AB is likely gone on draft draft (speculation)
« Reply #73 on: June 12, 2017, 05:25:15 PM »

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AB, Smart, and Crowder hopefully in trade/s tht bring us back max value even including future picks (like philly's SAC 2019 unprotected)...only if we sign Hayward.

Jaylen Brown and Fultz and even Rozier can handle all the minutes at 1-3.
If you trade the 3 guys that defined the team, you no longer have the same team.
Can't deny that, but the fact remains that those 3 guys and the team they defined aren't good enough.
yes, but that team that wasnt quite good enough is the one Hayward is interested in coming to.

I dont think Brad is a big enough pull to overcome trading 3 of the 5 best players on the team.

Re: AB is likely gone on draft draft (speculation)
« Reply #74 on: June 12, 2017, 05:32:25 PM »

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Yeah guys come on, if we sign Hayward we are not going to fundamentally alter the team until at least next offseason if it turns out say Bradley and/or Thomas get insane offers in free agency that would be difficult to compete with, or if Fultz/Brown/someone else shows enough that it doesn't make sense to block their playing time in the 2018-2019 season.

I know that people don't want to possibly lose Bradley or Thomas for nothing, but if you're dealing them now you basically might as well deal Horford and not sign Hayward and just take a step back to rebuilding again.