If Hayward and Fultz are in, which two are out?

[Roy H.]

BTW, splitting minutes doesn't matter. Assets do.

Sure it does. What do you think would happen with Jae Crowder if we signed Hayward and Crowder started getting less than 20 minutes a game?

He's under contract.

And the assets under contract can decrease in value. Crowder has plenty of value around the league and DA would trade him if he absolutely knew Crowder would be playing less than 20 mpg during the season.

I don't think he would. Crowder is making less than the MLE the next three seasons. That's a valuable contract, even in a bench role.

[colincb]

Yabu will be with the Celts or Dleague this season

You dont play with him and keep stashing him overseas

Why bring him back this past season for the dleague then?

Why not bring him to DLeague this past season?

He's not nearly NBA ready otherwise and playing in a top league overseas > DLeague next year.

Bc danny runs into a situation to upset the kid/agent... He could play very well and just stay in the euroleague

It will be hard to make this arrangement work anyways. . That is a legit league... Not baby sitter...

I can see him staying with the Cs if we don't get a max FA, but IF the Cs do, I don't see the Cs trading a core player just to fit in Yabu's rookie contract (which they would have to do).

[Future Celtics Owner]

I cant see how crowder and hayward coexist..

Crowder nor hayward can guard shooting guards nor pfs full time

How did we find minutes for Paul Pierce and James Posey?

It's the same dynamic. Hayward is the starting SF. Hopefully, Crowder is the backup SF/PF.

Also, Hayward plays SG just fine.

That's how I would see it. If we were lucky enough to land Hayward, then you slide Crowder into the Posey role and Zizic/KO/Amir into Powe/Perk/PJ Brown..

Crowder has more trade value than Posey and we let Posey walk. In this case IMO it would be better to trade Crowder for max value and then grab a vet to be the backup from either trade or FA

[goCeltics]

They renounce KO, stick Yabu overseas, trade Rozier and Jackson into someone's cap space, and get rid of the rest not named below. Works under the cap:

 Max FA 30,300,000
Horford, Al 27,734,405
Bradley, Avery 8,808,989
Top Pick at 120% of Scale 7,026,240
Crowder, Jae 6,796,117
Thomas, Isaiah 6,261,395
Brown, Jaylen 4,956,480
Smart, Marcus 4,538,020
Zizic 1,645,200
Nader 815,615
Min Player 815,615
Min Player 815,615
Total 100,513,691

Doubt they can get a max FA though and then it becomes a matter of who they can get in FA and who does the saved money help keep? Doubt there's a trade, but who knows with Danny.

Finally, why anyone would want to get rid of Crowder and his cheap contract is beyond me.

Specifically, the salary scale for first-round picks will climb. Empty roster charges for every open spot under 13 will be the rookie minimum salary of $815,615.

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/projecting-2017-18-nba-cap-room-under-new-deal-terms/

being toying with the numbers for months, can't get under by letting go roz/yab/mic/jac with a cap of $101 mill and 13 roster charges. Have to include also keep him zizic oversease for another year . I rather just let go smart and mickey and trade them for picks

[mctyson]

Just one: AB

We can't afford to keep him long-term, and we're going to lose him in a year.

I still have not heard any good reason why AB needs to be traded because we can't afford him long term.  The team can go over the salary cap to resign him, and will, if they want to keep him.

If it is your opinion that the team does not want to keep him, or does not think he will be worth his next contract, then fine.  I am not sure Danny agrees.

[byennie]

Bradley & Bradley.

He makes twice as much as Smart, has trade value, will make at least $20M next summer, and he'll be behind IT/ Fultz/ Brown AND Hayward in our future plans. We can keep Rozier, DJax and even bring over both euros if we want.

Get a 1st rounder for him this year and it would fill a roster spot, too.

Move Bradley and there are multiple paths that include Hayward and re-signing IT. Anyone else and now we're juggling multiple players that we might need on the court.

[Jvalin]

So even without Hayward I might look to move Thomas this year (I wouldn't just give him away but if the right trade came along, I would move him).

Trading Thomas is just tough. Like you said you can't give him away for peanuts. That would look really bad for our image as how we treat our players and as a trading partner as well. You have to get good value in return to be able to sell it to the public, otherwise it's better to keep him for this season and let him be a mentor to Fultz and let him walk after that.

Out of curiosity, what's the worst possible deal you would accept for IT?

One note, how many teams (I know it just takes one  ) in 2018 would be willing to pay Thomas a big contract and also have the cap space to do it?

No one can possibly know if he is gonna attract significant interest in a year's time, but here are some teams with enough cap space to go after him :

Dallas
Philly
Brooklyn
Sacramento
Atlanta
Indy

Would Thomas leave the Celtics for a bottom feeder just to earn more money, as most (semi)-contenders certainly won't have the cap space to offer him that.

IT hasn't made tons of money during his career. This is his only chance for a max contract. My gut feeling is that he is gonna sign with whichever team offers him the most money.

[byennie]

Just one: AB

We can't afford to keep him long-term, and we're going to lose him in a year.

I still have not heard any good reason why AB needs to be traded because we can't afford him long term.  They team can go over the salary cap to resign him, and will, if they want to keep him.

If it is your opinion that the team does not want to keep him, or does not think he will be worth his next contract, then fine.  I am not sure Danny agrees.

IT ($30M) / Hayward ($30M) / Brown (rookie deal)/ Fultz (rookie deal).

There's zero chance we prefer Bradley at $25M over any of those guys moving forward. Thus, he's the odd man out sooner than later. Especially considering we have Smart, Rozier and DJax for the bench.

[Roy H.]

I cant see how crowder and hayward coexist..

Crowder nor hayward can guard shooting guards nor pfs full time

How did we find minutes for Paul Pierce and James Posey?

It's the same dynamic. Hayward is the starting SF. Hopefully, Crowder is the backup SF/PF.

Also, Hayward plays SG just fine.

That's how I would see it. If we were lucky enough to land Hayward, then you slide Crowder into the Posey role and Zizic/KO/Amir into Powe/Perk/PJ Brown..

Crowder has more trade value than Posey and we let Posey walk. In this case IMO it would be better to trade Crowder for max value and then grab a vet to be the backup from either trade or FA

Posey was on a one year deal. We have Crowder for three more seasons.

[Darío SpanishFan]

Just one: AB

We can't afford to keep him long-term, and we're going to lose him in a year.

I still have not heard any good reason why AB needs to be traded because we can't afford him long term.  They team can go over the salary cap to resign him, and will, if they want to keep him.

If it is your opinion that the team does not want to keep him, or does not think he will be worth his next contract, then fine.  I am not sure Danny agrees.

IT ($30M) / Hayward ($30M) / Brown (rookie deal)/ Fultz (rookie deal).

There's zero chance we prefer Bradley at $25M over any of those guys moving forward. Thus, he's the odd man out sooner than later. Especially considering we have Smart, Rozier and DJax for the bench.

Reckless statement when a thread in these forums has a poll where most of us wouldn't pay Isaiah this salary.

[mctyson]

Does everyone agree that it should be Crowder and Rozier?

I suggested trade both for the 10th pick (Kings have multiple 1sts) and Tolliver or Afflalo

Or to Pistons for the 12th pick and Stanley Johnson

If you dont think it should be Crowder/Rozier...then which two?

The only players I could see needing to go would be Rozier and Jackson (the latter is easy).  I can't see a scenario where we draft a PG/SG #1 and give backup PG minutes to Rozier, especially when there were a few DNPs for Rozier this season.

I can't see Crowder getting trade to move his valuable contract, given his years and $$ left. 

As I have stated before, Bradley is far too good of a player to simply trade as a cap casualty. 

[mctyson]

Just one: AB

We can't afford to keep him long-term, and we're going to lose him in a year.

I still have not heard any good reason why AB needs to be traded because we can't afford him long term.  They team can go over the salary cap to resign him, and will, if they want to keep him.

If it is your opinion that the team does not want to keep him, or does not think he will be worth his next contract, then fine.  I am not sure Danny agrees.

IT ($30M) / Hayward ($30M) / Brown (rookie deal)/ Fultz (rookie deal).

There's zero chance we prefer Bradley at $25M over any of those guys moving forward. Thus, he's the odd man out sooner than later. Especially considering we have Smart, Rozier and DJax for the bench.

Why is AB getting assigned this $25M price tag?  I need to know where this is coming from, because there isn't any contract offer for him out there.

Oh...wait...is it speculation because he is really good and other teams will want to pay him that?  If that is true then why would we not resign him instead of signing Hayward, and use our cap space on what we really need...a BIG.

[Roy H.]

Just one: AB

We can't afford to keep him long-term, and we're going to lose him in a year.

I still have not heard any good reason why AB needs to be traded because we can't afford him long term.  The team can go over the salary cap to resign him, and will, if they want to keep him.

If it is your opinion that the team does not want to keep him, or does not think he will be worth his next contract, then fine.  I am not sure Danny agrees.

IT + Hayward + Horford + Bradley would have us bumping up against the luxury tax, without accounting for the other 10+ players on the roster. Even Cleveland - a championship team headed by the most marketable player in basketball - has made cost-cutting moves. Miami did. Brooklyn did.

Wyc can't afford a $200+ million payroll, which is what we'd have if we kept everyone.

[Monkhouse]

Just one: AB

We can't afford to keep him long-term, and we're going to lose him in a year.

I still have not heard any good reason why AB needs to be traded because we can't afford him long term.  They team can go over the salary cap to resign him, and will, if they want to keep him.

If it is your opinion that the team does not want to keep him, or does not think he will be worth his next contract, then fine.  I am not sure Danny agrees.

IT ($30M) / Hayward ($30M) / Brown (rookie deal)/ Fultz (rookie deal).

There's zero chance we prefer Bradley at $25M over any of those guys moving forward. Thus, he's the odd man out sooner than later. Especially considering we have Smart, Rozier and DJax for the bench.

Why is AB getting assigned this $25M price tag?  I need to know where this is coming from, because there isn't any contract offer for him out there.

Oh...wait...is it speculation because he is really good and other teams will want to pay him that?  If that is true then why would we not resign him instead of signing Hayward, and use our cap space on what we really need...a BIG.

Something I'm confused about too.

I prefer to keep Bradley over Hayward, and just focus on finding a good big.

[Jvalin]

Just one: AB

We can't afford to keep him long-term, and we're going to lose him in a year.

I still have not heard any good reason why AB needs to be traded because we can't afford him long term.  They team can go over the salary cap to resign him, and will, if they want to keep him.

If it is your opinion that the team does not want to keep him, or does not think he will be worth his next contract, then fine.  I am not sure Danny agrees.

IT ($30M) / Hayward ($30M) / Brown (rookie deal)/ Fultz (rookie deal).

There's zero chance we prefer Bradley at $25M over any of those guys moving forward. Thus, he's the odd man out sooner than later. Especially considering we have Smart, Rozier and DJax for the bench.

Reckless statement when a thread in these forums has a poll where most of us wouldn't pay Isaiah this salary.

In your opinion, what's the value of IT-Bradley in the open market?