Is Fultz a no brainer at this point?

[Ilikesports17]

If Danny wants Tatum, then it will be in a trade with Philly down to #3 along with maybe Saric and a future 1st.

I don't think Danny wants Tatum more than Fultz, though.

nah, I think if he wanted tatum, hed just take him first.

from a business perspective how does that make sense? when you can get extra and get Tatum at 3 anyways?

Because I don't think Ainge risks it.

Last year most mock drafts had Brown going 8th. Ainge didn't trade down. He took his guy. 2 years ago, Terry Rozier was projected to go towards the end of the first. Ainge didn't trade down. He got his guy.

Now it's a little different here because there's a more clear hierarchy of players.

However if Ainge thinks a guy is better than Fultz I don't think he's gonna take any risk whatsoever and I think he just takes the guy he thinks is the best player in the draft at #1

this is the ticket...

there aren't many things that can go wrong

You draft Fultz ...  Lakers are not likely to draft Tatum....but if they do ....deal is off with the 76ers for example (you make this a condition)...and you still end up keeping Fultz

Otherwise , 76ers pick Tatum and give you whatever worthwhile extra

I don't think you can make that condition...

I just don't think ainge makes that trade. I think Ainge is taking BPA here. I thinkAinge will identify a BPA meaning he won't have 2 or 3 guys he is equally happy to get. Thus he's not risking losing his guy by moving back in the draft.

He didn't do it with Rozier, he didn't do it with Yabu, he didn't do it with Brown and I don't think he'd do it with Tatum (or Jackson).

If he thinks the guy is better than Fultz or Ball then he immediately has reason to think that someone else(magic johnson) might too.

Pre deal Conditions exist

Rozier pick is different... Bulls picking just a few spots ahead were rumored to be interested in Rozier..

Big difference in what you can get extra from 1 to 3 vs 16 to18 also

Find me a predeal condition that had to do with another teams choice of player. You just completely made up that we could do that

Also there's a big difference in what we could lose.

Philly knows we are very much in the quality over quantity stage of the rebuild so if we are willing to go to 3 it means that if no trade occurs we would not select Fultz or Ball. Thus why trade up if they can stay put and watch a point guard fall to them.

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I think Fultz is the one that gives us the most flexibility if he turns out to be the future all star that everyone is talking about.  If he develops quickly you don't have to resign IT.  Fultz and smart would be an interesting guard combo.  Takes the pressure off of smart from being the guy on offense.  Combine that with Jaylen and we have good future size, toughness and length at 1-3.  Keep Rozier around for the cheap and find one more veteran rotation guard.

[Tr1boy]

If Danny wants Tatum, then it will be in a trade with Philly down to #3 along with maybe Saric and a future 1st.

I don't think Danny wants Tatum more than Fultz, though.

nah, I think if he wanted tatum, hed just take him first.

from a business perspective how does that make sense? when you can get extra and get Tatum at 3 anyways?

Because I don't think Ainge risks it.

Last year most mock drafts had Brown going 8th. Ainge didn't trade down. He took his guy. 2 years ago, Terry Rozier was projected to go towards the end of the first. Ainge didn't trade down. He got his guy.

Now it's a little different here because there's a more clear hierarchy of players.

However if Ainge thinks a guy is better than Fultz I don't think he's gonna take any risk whatsoever and I think he just takes the guy he thinks is the best player in the draft at #1

this is the ticket...

there aren't many things that can go wrong

You draft Fultz ...  Lakers are not likely to draft Tatum....but if they do ....deal is off with the 76ers for example (you make this a condition)...and you still end up keeping Fultz

Otherwise , 76ers pick Tatum and give you whatever worthwhile extra

I don't think you can make that condition...

I just don't think ainge makes that trade. I think Ainge is taking BPA here. I thinkAinge will identify a BPA meaning he won't have 2 or 3 guys he is equally happy to get. Thus he's not risking losing his guy by moving back in the draft.

He didn't do it with Rozier, he didn't do it with Yabu, he didn't do it with Brown and I don't think he'd do it with Tatum (or Jackson).

If he thinks the guy is better than Fultz or Ball then he immediately has reason to think that someone else(magic johnson) might too.

Pre deal Conditions exist

Rozier pick is different... Bulls picking just a few spots ahead were rumored to be interested in Rozier..

Big difference in what you can get extra from 1 to 3 vs 16 to18 also

Find me a predeal condition that had to do with another teams choice of player. You just completely made up that we could do that

Also there's a big difference in what we could lose.

Philly knows we are very much in the quality over quantity stage of the rebuild so if we are willing to go to 3 it means that if no trade occurs we would not select Fultz or Ball. Thus why trade up if they can stay put and watch a point guard fall to them.

Well it depends how much they want Fultz or whoever 1st

Danny doesnt have to only love tatum

He could love tatum and fultz equally... But if picking third can net you extra ... Make the deal. You dont have to make the deal right away.  Can call philly during their timeout allowment

You are too rigid about this... 

Research the mchale/parish draft trade  ... Maybe you will get it.

[jakeopp]

Fultz is a superior prospect to Tatum. Would be absurd to trade him away. I'm confident Ainge won't fall into something this stupid.

I'm a fultz fan

but can i ask you, how you came up with this conclusion? 

We are not talking about Lebron James , Durant ...easy no doubt future all hof type talent

So how are you sure Fultz is a superior prospect to Tatum? or even Ball who he battled against... it was an even matchup

This draft depth is excellent... but imo there is not a player that stands out head over heels over another (in the top 8 )

If there was such a prospect (like a Lebron or Durant) fans would not be creating trade possibilities with this pick...but you are seeing it

- He's a better athlete than Tatum. Tatum will come into the league at a disadvantage when matched up with SFs like Lebron/PG13/JB/GH/Greek/KD/Kawhi who are all better or much better athletes than him.

- He put up bigger and more efficient scoring numbers than Tatum, while being the only major threat on his team.

- He's a better ball handler/floor general than Tatum. I prefer Josh Jackson over Tatum for this reason (and defense)

- Neither were good defenders in college (so this remains to be seen)

- Fultz is a better 3PT shooter, we rely heavily on three point shooting...

I'm open to discussion...where does Tatum have an advantage over Fultz in your opinion?

[Tr1boy]

Fultz is a superior prospect to Tatum. Would be absurd to trade him away. I'm confident Ainge won't fall into something this stupid.

I'm a fultz fan

but can i ask you, how you came up with this conclusion? 

We are not talking about Lebron James , Durant ...easy no doubt future all hof type talent

So how are you sure Fultz is a superior prospect to Tatum? or even Ball who he battled against... it was an even matchup

This draft depth is excellent... but imo there is not a player that stands out head over heels over another (in the top 8 )

If there was such a prospect (like a Lebron or Durant) fans would not be creating trade possibilities with this pick...but you are seeing it

- He's a better athlete than Tatum. Tatum will come into the league at a disadvantage when matched up with SFs like Lebron/PG13/JB/GH/Greek/KD/Kawhi who are all better or much better athletes than him.

- He put up bigger and more efficient scoring numbers than Tatum, while being the only major threat on his team.

- He's a better ball handler/floor general than Tatum. I prefer Josh Jackson over Tatum for this reason (and defense)

- Neither were good defenders in college (so this remains to be seen)

- Fultz is a better 3PT shooter, we rely heavily on three point shooting...

I'm open to discussion...where does Tatum have an advantage over Fultz in your opinion?

Honestly I dont even like Tatum for some of the same reasons you listed..

But he did have to share the ball more and played in a tougher conference. 

Fultz stats and eye test is impressive. .. im more interested in how he did vs better schools/talent... Vs ball it was pretty close

Yet Fox torched Ball in the tourney....not saying fox would torch Fultz ... But this is the kind of stuff people should have more focus on