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If that's how much it takes will you sign Bradley for  70 million

Yes. Have to.
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No.
10 (12.3%)
Depends on who we draft
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Re: Poll: Resign Avery 4 years 70 million
« Reply #45 on: May 11, 2017, 07:56:30 PM »

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If that's all it takes to resign him, I would do so in a heartbeat and move other pieces (like Smart) later if necessary.  That is a bargain contract for a top 10 SG in the league that has the rare skill of being able to defend dominant PG/SGs.  Also, he's 26 years old now which means you'd be giving him this contract throughout the prime of his career which he might not have even reached yet.  I cant get over what a no-brainer this would be.

In reality, I don't think this will be a decision for Celts management because I think his price will be higher when he hits the open market.  Last year in the open market, Biz Biyombo, Evan Turner, Harrison Barnes, and Joakim Noah all got offers above or equal to 4 years $70 million.  I suspect somebody will gladly offer Bradley at least $90 million.

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Sure, I'd love to pay Bradley peanuts. But that just means he'll play elsewhere. So, if we want to keep Bradley, we'll pay him. But, whether we pay him or not will depend critically on what happens over the next 3 months, which I expect to involve trades. Avery might not be around, or he might be one of two guards left on our team after trades. We'll see.
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Re: Poll: Resign Avery 4 years 70 million
« Reply #46 on: May 11, 2017, 08:42:24 PM »

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I said yes, but there is no way they are getting him for that.

Re: Poll: Resign Avery 4 years 70 million
« Reply #47 on: May 11, 2017, 08:51:38 PM »

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He's our best two-way player, even when not healthy.

No sorry that is Al Horford.

Re: Poll: Resign Avery 4 years 70 million
« Reply #48 on: May 11, 2017, 09:12:17 PM »

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I'm not so sure Bradley is going to have all that many options for a contract larger than that (if even that) on the open market.  Philly is the one team that I see as a potential suitor, but I expect them to use some of that potential cap space this summer, such that they might not even have room for Bradley in the summer of 18 when he is a free agent.  After that, how many teams are really going to have cap space in the summer of 2018, that have a need for Bradley, and that will give him more than 17.5 million a year.  I mean this notion that Bradley is going to have this gigantic market seems strange to me.  he is a good solid starter level player, but he isn't a guy that is going to make a non-contender a contender (he can give a contender an edge though, but what contender is going to have that much cap space), and there just aren't going to be that many teams with that much cap space.
This is the same exact argument you used for IT. Unbelievably, to you I am sure, there is always a market for superstars like IT and near All-Star players like Bradley. Always.

Just going off Hoopshype team salary numbers the market to pay Bradley that money is Boston(Bird rights), Philly, Chicago, Indiana, Brooklyn, Denver, New Orleans and Dallas. And thats just teams with a ton of possible space avalable. There's a bunch of teams with possibly enough cap space to sign him too.
But Bradley isn't a free agent this summer and all of those teams still have a summer to go through.  New Orleans will be over the cap in the summer of 2018 unless they plan on letting Cousins walk and don't re-sign Holiday this summer.  Even if they let Cousins walk and don't re-sign Holiday they are still at like 65 million from just 5 players.  The odds of New Orleans having any cap space is almost zero. 

How about Dallas, assuming Matthews picks up his option, they are at 60 million for the 18/19 season with just 7 players on the roster, if they max out Noel this summer that puts them at well over 80 million and 8 players, plus a decision to make on Seth Curry (and that doesn't count Dirk assuming he isn't ready to retire).  So sure, Dallas might have room in the summer of 2018, but I wouldn't bet on it.   

Denver will likely have room for the 18-19 season as it only has 8 players under contract at 47 million but has decisions to make on both Barton and Harris.  Denver isn't going to pay Barton, Harris, and Bradley, and might in fact only pay 1 of those players (my guess is Harris of those 3). 

Depending on what Indiana does with Teague this summer it may or may not have cap space.  It would if George leaves, but if George leaves they aren't signing Bradley. 

Chicago will likely have the room as I don't think they will bring Wade and Rondo back in the summer of 18, but they would have to officially release the cap holds on them to do it.  That also assumes they don't go crazy in re-signing Mirotic and MCW this summer. 

Philly and Brooklyn (Sacramento is also one of these type teams) easily could have cap space, or they could use it this summer.  And I'm sure some other teams will have enough cap space  but they also have to be willing to use that much of it on a guy like Bradley, who is a solid all around player, but not a difference maker and very injury prone.  Take a team like Utah if Hayward leaves, they will likely have a ton of room in the summer of 18, but they also have Hood, so why would they pay big money for someone like Bradley (Atlanta could also easily have room if Millsap is gone but if Millsap is gone, why would they sign someone like Bradley who isn't going to carry the team). 

Thomas is a much better player than Bradley, but for many of the same reasons, there isn't going to be a large market for him. 
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Re: Poll: Resign Avery 4 years 70 million
« Reply #49 on: May 11, 2017, 09:44:52 PM »

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he'll get at least $22 x 4 years so if we aren't prepared to pay at least $20 million+ he's gone.

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Re: Poll: Resign Avery 4 years 70 million
« Reply #50 on: May 11, 2017, 09:48:27 PM »

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My best offer to AB would be 4/84, keeping him with Bird Rights and going over the cap.

If he wants more, then love you AB, but see ya!
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Re: Poll: Resign Avery 4 years 70 million
« Reply #51 on: May 11, 2017, 09:51:11 PM »

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I love Avery.  He has developed into a fine player and seems like a great guy.  I think we will have younger cheaper options available by the time he is ready for a new contract.  I suspect we will not be the team to give him is big contract.

Re: Poll: Resign Avery 4 years 70 million
« Reply #52 on: May 11, 2017, 10:44:30 PM »

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I don't know if they can fit another big salary and a FA under the cap. My guess is Ainge would have to trade salary for salary. He's going to have a problem keeping Bradley, and later IT, while absorbing another FA to go with Horford.

Re: Poll: Resign Avery 4 years 70 million
« Reply #53 on: May 11, 2017, 11:25:57 PM »

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Since he is underpaid now, he will follow the money.

Bradley Beal's contract averages $25m a year. You don't have to be a proven superstar to make well over 20m/year.

Re: Poll: Resign Avery 4 years 70 million
« Reply #54 on: May 12, 2017, 12:28:04 AM »

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If you're gonna win the whole thing, Bradley can't be more than your 4th best player. What're you paying that guy?  Sure, others likely would pay more in hopes he would be the veteran presence that helps some young team grow, but then that's fine if he wants to go that route.

Re: Poll: Resign Avery 4 years 70 million
« Reply #55 on: May 12, 2017, 12:46:20 PM »

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JJ Redick reportedly wants 18-20m per year ....

I can't see AB asking (and getting) less than 20.

Re: Poll: Resign Avery 4 years 70 million
« Reply #56 on: May 12, 2017, 02:24:58 PM »

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JJ Redick reportedly wants 18-20m per year ....

I can't see AB asking (and getting) less than 20.

Yeah, but from whom?  Santa?

Re: Poll: Resign Avery 4 years 70 million
« Reply #57 on: May 12, 2017, 05:34:28 PM »

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Remember when this blog(not me, I said it would be a bargain) went nuts because Ainge overpaid Avery on his last contract? I get the feeling if Ainge re-signs Avery, we may see this blog go nuts about another Bradley contract.

Re: Poll: Resign Avery 4 years 70 million
« Reply #58 on: May 12, 2017, 05:43:04 PM »

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No team is going to pay AB well over twenty million.  Guys like Crabbe and Evan Turner are bigger wings.  AB is a smaller, thin two guard prone to injury.  I can see 70 million over 4

Re: Poll: Resign Avery 4 years 70 million
« Reply #59 on: May 12, 2017, 05:54:47 PM »

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Blows my mind how knee jerk people are after one good game.

Maybe a good year. After another.

He averaged 16 points, 6 rebounds and a steal on 46% shooting. Is that not good?

He had a good year, and he's played pretty well in the playoffs.

With that said, his offensive game still has evolved beyond taking a lot of jumpers, and while his ability to chase guards around screens and hound ball-handlers is impressive, his overall defensive impact can still be described, charitably, as "difficult to quantify."

I would say that, combined with some remaining questions about his durability, means that the Celts should be reluctant to pay him anything like his market value.


The point about his last contract seeming like a big deal and then turning quickly into a bargain are well-taken.  Still, if the Celts pay what Avery will want, they will effectively be locking up their cap in the current core.  And I think you could make the argument that paying Bradley market value this time around would be more likely a payment for past performance as opposed to future performance.
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