Poll: Resign Avery 4 years 70 million

[action781]

If that's all it takes to resign him, I would do so in a heartbeat and move other pieces (like Smart) later if necessary.  That is a bargain contract for a top 10 SG in the league that has the rare skill of being able to defend dominant PG/SGs.  Also, he's 26 years old now which means you'd be giving him this contract throughout the prime of his career which he might not have even reached yet.  I cant get over what a no-brainer this would be.

In reality, I don't think this will be a decision for Celts management because I think his price will be higher when he hits the open market.  Last year in the open market, Biz Biyombo, Evan Turner, Harrison Barnes, and Joakim Noah all got offers above or equal to 4 years $70 million.  I suspect somebody will gladly offer Bradley at least $90 million.

[JohnBoy65]

In reality, I don't think this will be a decision for Celts management because I think his price will be higher when he hits the open market.  Last year in the open market, Biz Biyombo, Evan Turner, Harrison Barnes, and Joakim Noah all got offers above or equal to 4 years $70 million.  I suspect somebody will gladly offer Bradley at least $90 million.

I don't think last offseason is a good comparison. Literally every team had cap space, and no one knew how to use it properly. Those people you mention are the same people mentioned when you're talking about worse contracts in the league. I don't think teams will be as money happy this year, and ultimately a guy like AB won't put anyone over the top that can pay him that money. We're in a unique situation to be able to pay him that, and have him be that important of a contributor.

[nickagneta]

Sadly, I think AB is gone.  Either via trade or letting him walk.

You can't pay everyone.  And one way to get to purgatory fast is to overpay multiple rotation guys/role players.   

This should become especially apparent if they do land Fultz.  You'll have a glut at the guard position with multiple guys facing uncertain contract situations in the near future.  Also, you're looking at the emergence of Rozier as a serviceable rotation guy who is under friendly team terms for the forseeable future.

I don't think it's a guarantee he's gone, at least immediately.  I do think he's the one moved to make room for Hayward if that happens.  But if it doesn't, it's not impossible that there's enough cap room to renegotiate and extend both him and IT for amounts that give them larger cap hits next year (since what else are we doing with the money), and smaller cap hits in subsequent years.  This would make future teams still affordable.  Maybe ultimately Bradley would be traded if Fultz (or any other young guard) plays himself into the starting lineup, but it would be a reaction to that, and not something done in advance.  If we strike out in free agency, I expect Ainge to lock up as much of the team as he can for long-term deals that can be used in trades if it makes sense, as opposed to just letting everyone hit free agency in 2018.

Correct me if I am wrong but if we are to sign avmax level free agent either KO has to walk or Bradley or Crowder has to be dealt for draft picks only to get us the cap space we need. If the FA is a center or forward I think KO is gone as signing that max guy then signing KO isn't as smart as signing the max free agent then signing AB next year. If I am investing long term money on a role player, that role player is Bradley not KO.

[Darío SpanishFan]

Blows my mind how knee jerk people are after one good game.

Maybe a good year. After another.

[celticsclay]

Blows my mind how knee jerk people are after one good game.

Maybe a good year. After another.

He averaged 16 points, 6 rebounds and a steal on 46% shooting. Is that not good?

[celticsclay]

In reality, I don't think this will be a decision for Celts management because I think his price will be higher when he hits the open market.  Last year in the open market, Biz Biyombo, Evan Turner, Harrison Barnes, and Joakim Noah all got offers above or equal to 4 years $70 million.  I suspect somebody will gladly offer Bradley at least $90 million.

I don't think last offseason is a good comparison. Literally every team had cap space, and no one knew how to use it properly. Those people you mention are the same people mentioned when you're talking about worse contracts in the league. I don't think teams will be as money happy this year, and ultimately a guy like AB won't put anyone over the top that can pay him that money. We're in a unique situation to be able to pay him that, and have him be that important of a contributor.

Yeah last season was ridiculous and kind of hard to figure out how a group of successful businessman all of a sudden acted like an 8 year old that just got their allowance on the open market.

[Geo123]

He will get more money in FA than that so it's a moot point.  It's like asking would you trade Crowder for Butler straight up (not going to happen).

[#1P4P]

At 4y/$70M you sign him and worry about it later. Before this past offseason, Avery would've accepted something along those lines. Not anymore

Bradley, injury history and all, is going to command 4y/$90-100M. Unless the salary cap drops drastically, he is going to get more than Allen Crabbe's 4y/$75M.

Avery's a player that can fit in any situation; and will have no shortage of suitors when time comes.

[Moranis]

I'm not so sure Bradley is going to have all that many options for a contract larger than that (if even that) on the open market.  Philly is the one team that I see as a potential suitor, but I expect them to use some of that potential cap space this summer, such that they might not even have room for Bradley in the summer of 18 when he is a free agent.  After that, how many teams are really going to have cap space in the summer of 2018, that have a need for Bradley, and that will give him more than 17.5 million a year.  I mean this notion that Bradley is going to have this gigantic market seems strange to me.  he is a good solid starter level player, but he isn't a guy that is going to make a non-contender a contender (he can give a contender an edge though, but what contender is going to have that much cap space), and there just aren't going to be that many teams with that much cap space.

[liam]

I'm not so sure Bradley is going to have all that many options for a contract larger than that (if even that) on the open market.  Philly is the one team that I see as a potential suitor, but I expect them to use some of that potential cap space this summer, such that they might not even have room for Bradley in the summer of 18 when he is a free agent.  After that, how many teams are really going to have cap space in the summer of 2018, that have a need for Bradley, and that will give him more than 17.5 million a year.  I mean this notion that Bradley is going to have this gigantic market seems strange to me.  he is a good solid starter level player, but he isn't a guy that is going to make a non-contender a contender (he can give a contender an edge though, but what contender is going to have that much cap space), and there just aren't going to be that many teams with that much cap space.

But look at what Evan Turner got! 4 years 70 million. AB is better than Turner...

[tarheelsxxiii]

I'm not so sure Bradley is going to have all that many options for a contract larger than that (if even that) on the open market.  Philly is the one team that I see as a potential suitor, but I expect them to use some of that potential cap space this summer, such that they might not even have room for Bradley in the summer of 18 when he is a free agent.  After that, how many teams are really going to have cap space in the summer of 2018, that have a need for Bradley, and that will give him more than 17.5 million a year.  I mean this notion that Bradley is going to have this gigantic market seems strange to me.  he is a good solid starter level player, but he isn't a guy that is going to make a non-contender a contender (he can give a contender an edge though, but what contender is going to have that much cap space), and there just aren't going to be that many teams with that much cap space.

Who is Philly targeting in FA?

[nickagneta]

I'm not so sure Bradley is going to have all that many options for a contract larger than that (if even that) on the open market.  Philly is the one team that I see as a potential suitor, but I expect them to use some of that potential cap space this summer, such that they might not even have room for Bradley in the summer of 18 when he is a free agent.  After that, how many teams are really going to have cap space in the summer of 2018, that have a need for Bradley, and that will give him more than 17.5 million a year.  I mean this notion that Bradley is going to have this gigantic market seems strange to me.  he is a good solid starter level player, but he isn't a guy that is going to make a non-contender a contender (he can give a contender an edge though, but what contender is going to have that much cap space), and there just aren't going to be that many teams with that much cap space.

This is the same exact argument you used for IT. Unbelievably, to you I am sure, there is always a market for superstars like IT and near All-Star players like Bradley. Always.

Just going off Hoopshype team salary numbers the market to pay Bradley that money is Boston(Bird rights), Philly, Chicago, Indiana, Brooklyn, Denver, New Orleans and Dallas. And thats just teams with a ton of possible space avalable. There's a bunch of teams with possibly enough cap space to sign him too.

[celticsclay]

I'm not so sure Bradley is going to have all that many options for a contract larger than that (if even that) on the open market.  Philly is the one team that I see as a potential suitor, but I expect them to use some of that potential cap space this summer, such that they might not even have room for Bradley in the summer of 18 when he is a free agent.  After that, how many teams are really going to have cap space in the summer of 2018, that have a need for Bradley, and that will give him more than 17.5 million a year.  I mean this notion that Bradley is going to have this gigantic market seems strange to me.  he is a good solid starter level player, but he isn't a guy that is going to make a non-contender a contender (he can give a contender an edge though, but what contender is going to have that much cap space), and there just aren't going to be that many teams with that much cap space.

Who is Philly targeting in FA?

Some floated names were Jrue Holiday and Kyle Lowry, also making a big offer at KPC or, perhaps, Porter.

To the notion that there won't be a big market for Bradley, I don't really understand why there wouldn't be. Even the good up and coming teams could use him to take their defense to the next level. Teams may have to get very creative to get cap space, but he is a guy that made first team all defensive, averaged 16 and 6 and has played on very good teams while providing a blue print on how to guard the warriors. There will be a line of teams that want him and he certainly will have a bigger market than guys like deng, turner, tyler johnson etc. I get those guys were overpaid, but find it hard to believe there will be a correction to the point that an actual really good player with elite skills won't get money. 

[Tr1boy]

No... not yet

Especially if you draft Fultz....   

[Ilikesports17]

I'm not so sure Bradley is going to have all that many options for a contract larger than that (if even that) on the open market.  Philly is the one team that I see as a potential suitor, but I expect them to use some of that potential cap space this summer, such that they might not even have room for Bradley in the summer of 18 when he is a free agent.  After that, how many teams are really going to have cap space in the summer of 2018, that have a need for Bradley, and that will give him more than 17.5 million a year.  I mean this notion that Bradley is going to have this gigantic market seems strange to me.  he is a good solid starter level player, but he isn't a guy that is going to make a non-contender a contender (he can give a contender an edge though, but what contender is going to have that much cap space), and there just aren't going to be that many teams with that much cap space.

Look at the deals teams gave out and tell em someone won't offer Bradley upwards of 18 mil.

He's in the middle of his prime, he's maybe the best on-ball defender in the NBA and he shoots 40% from three. He's also a model teammate.