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Did Olynyk flop on the Oubre suspension shove?
« on: May 07, 2017, 02:08:04 AM »

Offline chambers

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Mark Jackson and Van Gundy said that Olynyk flopped to 'sell' the shove by Oubre in game 3.

What are people's thoughts on this?

I didn't think he flopped, I thought he just got caught off guard by the shove, but I've seen some random fans on RealGM and SBnation saying adamantly that he flopped.

Thoughts?
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Re: Did Olynyk flop on the Oubre suspension shove?
« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2017, 02:19:29 AM »

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Yeah but it should have been a suspension regardless.
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Re: Did Olynyk flop on the Oubre suspension shove?
« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2017, 02:22:57 AM »

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Quote from: chambers on May 07, 2017, 02:08:04 AM
Mark Jackson and Van Gundy said that Olynyk flopped to 'sell' the shove by Oubre in game 3.

What are people's thoughts on this?

I didn't think he flopped, I thought he just got caught off guard by the shove, but I've seen some random fans on RealGM and SBnation saying adamantly that he flopped.

Thoughts?

I agree with you - didn't think KO had a chance to brace for the contact.
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Re: Did Olynyk flop on the Oubre suspension shove?
« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2017, 02:27:55 AM »

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how can that have been a flop if the game was paused? The ball wasn't in play, so how could olynyk, by definition of a flop, be trying to draw a personal foul ?

Also by definition of a flop, a flop requires "little or no contact." I think everyone can agree there was more than just a little contact by oubre.
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Re: Did Olynyk flop on the Oubre suspension shove?
« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2017, 02:32:25 AM »

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Quote from: CelticsElite on May 07, 2017, 02:27:55 AM
how can that have been a flop if the game was paused? The ball wasn't in play, so how could olynyk, by definition of a flop, be trying to draw a personal foul ?

Also by definition of a flop, a flop requires "little or no contact." I think everyone can agree there was more than just a little contact by oubre.

Well said, only a salty non-Celtic fan would argue that Kelly flopped there.  Pretty cool that we may be the only SBNation forum, and get continued attention from other fanbases, though. 
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Re: Did Olynyk flop on the Oubre suspension shove?
« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2017, 03:06:22 AM »

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Quote from: tarheelsxxiii on May 07, 2017, 02:32:25 AM
Quote from: CelticsElite on May 07, 2017, 02:27:55 AM
how can that have been a flop if the game was paused? The ball wasn't in play, so how could olynyk, by definition of a flop, be trying to draw a personal foul ?

Also by definition of a flop, a flop requires "little or no contact." I think everyone can agree there was more than just a little contact by oubre.

Well said, only a salty non-Celtic fan would argue that Kelly flopped there.  Pretty cool that we may be the only SBNation forum, and get continued attention from other fanbases, though.
true. I noticed a lot of salty fans of other teams on espn comments for the article o the suspension, people calling olynyk dirty. These people obviously know nothing about olnyk. Oubre is the dirty one
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Re: Did Olynyk flop on the Oubre suspension shove?
« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2017, 03:26:20 AM »

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Quote from: CelticsElite on May 07, 2017, 03:06:22 AM
Quote from: tarheelsxxiii on May 07, 2017, 02:32:25 AM
Quote from: CelticsElite on May 07, 2017, 02:27:55 AM
how can that have been a flop if the game was paused? The ball wasn't in play, so how could olynyk, by definition of a flop, be trying to draw a personal foul ?

Also by definition of a flop, a flop requires "little or no contact." I think everyone can agree there was more than just a little contact by oubre.

Well said, only a salty non-Celtic fan would argue that Kelly flopped there.  Pretty cool that we may be the only SBNation forum, and get continued attention from other fanbases, though.
true. I noticed a lot of salty fans of other teams on espn comments for the article o the suspension, people calling olynyk dirty. These people obviously know nothing about olnyk. Oubre is the dirty one

dirty and flop are two different things, whether or not he flopped on the flagrant is really not relevant to the intent of the perp.
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Re: Did Olynyk flop on the Oubre suspension shove?
« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2017, 04:48:09 AM »

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No.
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Re: Did Olynyk flop on the Oubre suspension shove?
« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2017, 05:11:20 AM »

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You can never really know.

Im gonna say no for 4 reasons.

1. Kelly is really clumsy, Im not surprised he goes down in any circumstance
2. oubre hits him pretty high up. Its not unreasonable for him to hit the floor. its not like he got hit in the midsection and just decided let his legs fold like a lot of guys do.
3. He gets right back up. Guys who really flop, usually make a show of it. Olynyk was p---ed and immediately went back and Oubre.
4. If you really slow the video down, Olynyk's left leg appears to get stepped on by the ref, and he attempts to stick his right leg back to stay up. Hes not able to plan the foot and he goes down.

Obviously its possible he flopped, but Oubre IS 6'7" 200+ pounds and charging from ~10 feet away.

Even if Olynyk sold the whole thing, I think an ejection was the right call and a suspension within reason.
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Re: Did Olynyk flop on the Oubre suspension shove?
« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2017, 05:25:09 AM »

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I can see why it looked like a flop. Reason why is because he fell straight down. He didn't stagger backwards and fall. He didn't flail his arms as he fell. He fell like a log, the way you normally would when taking a charge.

That said, I don't think it was a flop. Taking charges does not equate to a flop.
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Re: Did Olynyk flop on the Oubre suspension shove?
« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2017, 06:03:16 AM »

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By definition it wasn't a flop because it wasn't a basketball play.
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Re: Did Olynyk flop on the Oubre suspension shove?
« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2017, 07:05:58 AM »

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No way you can flop when you are pushed not expecting it.

For those who say he flopped, I'm sending help: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton%27s_law_of_universal_gravitation
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« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2017, 07:20:33 AM »

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Yeah -- his play acting made sure Oubre got ejected.
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Re: Did Olynyk flop on the Oubre suspension shove?
« Reply #13 on: May 07, 2017, 07:53:29 AM »

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Dude falls all the time. I'm pretty sure his fall was legit.
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Re: Did Olynyk flop on the Oubre suspension shove?
« Reply #14 on: May 07, 2017, 08:41:19 AM »

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Quote from: Chief on May 07, 2017, 07:53:29 AM
Dude falls all the time. I'm pretty sure his fall was legit.

i know ,  he falls down at one end of the court practically every trip.

he just got clocked but good .
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