Gordon Hayward Chat

[Roy H.]

Hayward is the best player on a team that won as many games as the Cavs this season, in a tougher conference. His numbers compare favorably to Butler and George.

Fans are seriously writing him off after one subpar game?

[PAOBoston]

Were people saying this when he ripped the Clippers apart in the last round?

[vjcsmoke]

A lot of things can change once FA courtship actually begins.

Who would have predicted that Horford would join us AFTER his Hawks had knocked our team out of the 1st round?

We'll just have to let this play out.

IT4's status as a rising star in the playoffs and the fact that Stevens coaches here might tempt Hayward into donning the green come next season.

[Ilikesports17]

Hayward is the best player on a team that won as many games as the Cavs this season, in a tougher conference. His numbers compare favorably to Butler and George.

Fans are seriously writing him off after one subpar game?

is this surprising to you?

I mean overreactions and the playoffs go together like PB and J.

[Ilikesports17]

23/7/3 on 46/40/95 splits on 17 shots a game this playoffs.
Isaiah thomas is putting up:
26/4/6 on 46/27/81 splits on 18 shots a game this playoffs.

Id love to have Gordon Hayward.

[ThaPreacher]

Hayward is the best player on a team that won as many games as the Cavs this season, in a tougher conference. His numbers compare favorably to Butler and George.

Fans are seriously writing him off after one subpar game?

Hayward is like Kevin Love, in that he is not going to be ball dominant and gets passive at times.
However, he has a boat load of talent. I think that Golden State made some adjustments-this is after all the playoffs. At the same time, Hayward needs to step forward and lead.

Who says he's a MAX free agent?  I see him as a great pick-up for any team. But below MAX Level.

[Roy H.]

Hayward is the best player on a team that won as many games as the Cavs this season, in a tougher conference. His numbers compare favorably to Butler and George.

Fans are seriously writing him off after one subpar game?

Hayward is like Kevin Love, in that he is not going to be ball dominant and gets passive at times.
However, he has a boat load of talent. I think that Golden State made some adjustments-this is after all the playoffs. At the same time, Hayward needs to step forward and lead.

Who says he's a MAX free agent?  I see him as a great pick-up for any team. But below MAX Level.

Is he as good as Beal? Parsons? Harrison Barnes? Horford?

He's a max guy.

I don't think Hayward is particularly passive. Most 22 ppg scorers aren't. If you mean he doesn't force bad shots, I think that's a good thing.

[ThaPreacher]

Hayward is the best player on a team that won as many games as the Cavs this season, in a tougher conference. His numbers compare favorably to Butler and George.

Fans are seriously writing him off after one subpar game?

Hayward is like Kevin Love, in that he is not going to be ball dominant and gets passive at times.
However, he has a boat load of talent. I think that Golden State made some adjustments-this is after all the playoffs. At the same time, Hayward needs to step forward and lead.

Who says he's a MAX free agent?  I see him as a great pick-up for any team. But below MAX Level.

Is he as good as Beal? Parsons? Harrison Barnes? Horford?

He's a max guy.

I don't think Hayward is particularly passive. Most 22 ppg scorers aren't. If you mean he doesn't force bad shots, I think that's a good thing.

I don't think any one of those guys is a MAX Guy.  However, the market often dictates what players can make.  But hey, there are always GMS who will overpay: (see the GM's who offered-Koncack and Lafrenz and Eddie Curry their deals). Don't get me wrong. Hayward is a great player
and should get a great contract. And he's not like one of  the fore mentioned.  But Chandler Parsons is a good example. He's a role player. And Beal and Barnes shouldn't be MAX guys either.
MAX contracts should be superstar money. 

I do believe that Hayward is knocking on the door.

I love Hayward's game. With that, I do think he gets passive-at times. He's the best player on his team. His game high 33 points was an aggressive response. I think he's capable of that type of play-nightly.

[Phantom255x]

(Put this on the "Gordon Hayward Thread" but I'll post it here too)

For the post season, Hayward is averaging 24/7/4 on 46% shooting (40% 3 point shooting), and he's knocking down FT's VERY WELL (95%)

I'm noticing that he's being defended really well by Golden State this whole series, and yet he managed 29 points and 6 assists last night.

Idk if I still want him though (read the "Warming to the Idea..." thread I made)

[footey]

He will get a max contract. Therefore he is a max guy.

For those of you who say he isn't, you probably mean that you would rather save your dollars for a more worthy player to sign a max deal. I get it. I vacillate on this as well. We already signed a guy who fell into this category (Horford), so it really creates cap problems to sign another who is not an elite player. Trouble is, the odds of someone like that signing with us as a FA are extremely small. It is more likely we sign future max deal with home grown talent with Bird rights, where the issue is luxury tax rather than cap room.

Tough call.

[Phantom255x]

He will get a max contract. Therefore he is a max guy.

For those of you who say he isn't, you probably mean that you would rather save your dollars for a more worthy player to sign a max deal. I get it. I vacillate on this as well. We already signed a guy who fell into this category (Horford), so it really creates cap problems to sign another who is not an elite player. Trouble is, the odds of someone like that signing with us as a FA are extremely small. It is more likely we sign future max deal with home grown talent with Bird rights, where the issue is luxury tax rather than cap room.

Tough call.

Oh I think he's DEFINITELY a max player, no question.

The problem is, acquiring Hayward could potentially gut the team.

There was an article posted on this site a month ago saying that to acquire Hayward (with cap projection ~101M), C's would have to let go of Mickey, Green, Jerebko, KO, Amir, Zeller, and possibly even trade Smart OR Bradley just to make the $$$ work.

We also lose MLE as a result.

So you'd acquire Hayward at the cost of a lot of depth and even someone like Smart/Bradley.

The question is, do you think Hayward alone is enough to push the needle for the C's if this happened and we lost a lot of those guys as well. I truthfully don't.

I like Hayward, but I'm also thinking more long term and although our front court isn't exactly elite behind Horford either, it's still decent depth and we should probably tamper our expectations for Zizic at least for next year. So Horford, Zizic, then nothing much after that at the 4 and 5.

[incoherent]

He will get a max contract. Therefore he is a max guy.

For those of you who say he isn't, you probably mean that you would rather save your dollars for a more worthy player to sign a max deal. I get it. I vacillate on this as well. We already signed a guy who fell into this category (Horford), so it really creates cap problems to sign another who is not an elite player. Trouble is, the odds of someone like that signing with us as a FA are extremely small. It is more likely we sign future max deal with home grown talent with Bird rights, where the issue is luxury tax rather than cap room.

Tough call.

Oh I think he's DEFINITELY a max player, no question.

The problem is, acquiring Hayward could potentially gut the team.

There was an article posted on this site a month ago saying that to acquire Hayward (with cap projection ~101M), C's would have to let go of Mickey, Green, Jerebko, KO, Amir, Zeller, and possibly even trade Smart OR Bradley just to make the $$$ work.

We also lose MLE as a result.

So you'd acquire Hayward at the cost of a lot of depth and even someone like Smart/Bradley.

The question is, do you think Hayward alone is enough to push the needle for the C's if this happened and we lost a lot of those guys as well. I truthfully don't.

I like Hayward, but I'm also thinking more long term and although our front court isn't exactly elite behind Horford either, it's still decent depth and we should probably tamper our expectations for Zizic at least for next year. So Horford, Zizic, then nothing much after that at the 4 and 5.

I think you make some great points. I read your other thread about this topic and you have an extremely realistic view in my opinion.  The one thing I disagree on is yes.. you absolutely gut the team to sign Hayward to max.

Hayward is a lot better then "Olynyk/Zeller/Mickey/Jerebko/Amir, AND possibly Bradley/Smart" In a year Bradley is gone anyway and Hayward is an upgrade.  You would also be getting Hayward for what might be the rest of his career after he sees the culture here and if him and Brad click.  All of that is definitely worth giving up those players you mentioned. (I would keep Smart).

Lets be real, Zeller/Mickey/Jerebko/Amir are basically worth nothing at this point.  You'd be giving up Bradley who is gone in 1 year, and Olynyk who is a back up big for Hayward? Absolutely.... all day every day, Danny would never say no to Hayward if he wanted to come here.  He would instantly be our best player and we could continue to build around him.   

Basically, it doesn't really matter if our team would be gutted for next year, we would still have 3 more years of Hayward and possibly another contract after that to keep building and contending for championships with an extremely good wing player in his prime.  It's a no brainer even if next year team is lacking depth.

[Phantom255x]

He will get a max contract. Therefore he is a max guy.

For those of you who say he isn't, you probably mean that you would rather save your dollars for a more worthy player to sign a max deal. I get it. I vacillate on this as well. We already signed a guy who fell into this category (Horford), so it really creates cap problems to sign another who is not an elite player. Trouble is, the odds of someone like that signing with us as a FA are extremely small. It is more likely we sign future max deal with home grown talent with Bird rights, where the issue is luxury tax rather than cap room.

Tough call.

Oh I think he's DEFINITELY a max player, no question.

The problem is, acquiring Hayward could potentially gut the team.

There was an article posted on this site a month ago saying that to acquire Hayward (with cap projection ~101M), C's would have to let go of Mickey, Green, Jerebko, KO, Amir, Zeller, and possibly even trade Smart OR Bradley just to make the $$$ work.

We also lose MLE as a result.

So you'd acquire Hayward at the cost of a lot of depth and even someone like Smart/Bradley.

The question is, do you think Hayward alone is enough to push the needle for the C's if this happened and we lost a lot of those guys as well. I truthfully don't.

I like Hayward, but I'm also thinking more long term and although our front court isn't exactly elite behind Horford either, it's still decent depth and we should probably tamper our expectations for Zizic at least for next year. So Horford, Zizic, then nothing much after that at the 4 and 5.

I think you make some great points. I read your other thread about this topic and you have an extremely realistic view in my opinion.  The one thing I disagree on is yes.. you absolutely gut the team to sign Hayward to max.

Hayward is a lot better then "Olynyk/Zeller/Mickey/Jerebko/Amir, AND possibly Bradley/Smart" In a year Bradley is gone anyway and Hayward is an upgrade.  You would also be getting Hayward for what might be the rest of his career after he sees the culture here and if him and Brad click.  All of that is definitely worth giving up those players you mentioned. (I would keep Smart).

Lets be real, Zeller/Mickey/Jerebko/Amir are basically worth nothing at this point.  You'd be giving up Bradley who is gone in 1 year, and Olynyk who is a back up big for Hayward? Absolutely.... all day every day, Danny would never say no to Hayward if he wanted to come here.  He would instantly be our best player and we could continue to build around him.   

Basically, it doesn't really matter if our team would be gutted for next year, we would still have 3 more years of Hayward and possibly another contract after that to keep building and contending for championships with an extremely good wing player in his prime.  It's a no brainer even if next year team is lacking depth.

My guess is, they'd look to sign Hayward and swing another trade for some bruiser as well, maybe with Bradley or Smart involved (likely Bradley), and some non-Brooklyn picks.

Then of course, Zizic comes over too.

Helps make the $$$ work while also solidifying the front court a bit too.

[MattyIce]

GH didnt make all nba either

https://twitter.com/HowardBeck/status/865266722827370498

[Smokeeye123]

GH didnt make all nba either

https://twitter.com/HowardBeck/status/865266722827370498

That is big big news. Makes it more compelling for him to sign with us.