IT Complaints: Fallout & Future (merged IT kvetching threads)

[Smartacus]

The me first attitude is what helps IT push for the buckets we need. I said it before, he is a hero when the shots fall and villain when they don't but regardless that mind set he has is the reason for both. As Rozier said, He's our guy so we have to stand by him despite the mistakes. I'm for a 3 year extension at max $ even if we draft Fultz. I'm in on IT.

Well ya I think most here would be for a 3 year max for Isaiah only problem is that Isaiah would be a fool to accept that offer. He's going to have at least a few 4 year max offers from other teams and as a somewhat limited player he rightfully should be viewing this as his best opportunity to sigh his biggest contract possible and set up his family for generations.

I feel like we fans often downplay about the difference of $10-15 million that he could get if he signed with a team willing to pay him his full market value when it's more money than the combined net worth of most of this board. Of course there are other mitigating factors like whether or not he would be able to replicate this kind of production on a worse team and harming his next contract, but at the end of day how could anyone be expected to leave $10+ million on the table?

Who knows where Danny is in his offer but I'm of the mindset that if IT and Danny can work out a mutually beneficial split where IT gets traded to a stable situation that will pay him his max value and we come away with a nice asset or two and space for Fultz and Smart to take off that'll be what puts an end to IT's time in Boston.

If not then IT, deficencies and all, will resign here and drag half of this board and the Boston media scene kicking and screaming to multiple deep playoff births while constantly threatening the scoring title. Keep IT or not I think we'll be we'll suited to remaining a monster for years to come. Whether or not that produces banner 18 remains to be seen.

[jmen788]

IT for Miles Turner and pick(s)? That is very tempting. Miles Turner may "never be what Isaiah is" but his style fits perfectly with Brad's system. If we got Fultz or Ball, then this would in theory be a great idea... but I'm not sure if Indiana would even do it.

[Csfan1984]

The me first attitude is what helps IT push for the buckets we need. I said it before, he is a hero when the shots fall and villain when they don't but regardless that mind set he has is the reason for both. As Rozier said, He's our guy so we have to stand by him despite the mistakes. I'm for a 3 year extension at max $ even if we draft Fultz. I'm in on IT.

Well ya I think most here would be for a 3 year max for Isaiah only problem is that Isaiah would be a fool to accept that offer. He's going to have at least a few 4 year max offers from other teams and as a somewhat limited player he rightfully should be viewing this as his best opportunity to sigh his biggest contract possible and set up his family for generations.

I feel like we fans often downplay about the difference of $10-15 million that he could get if he signed with a team willing to pay him his full market value when it's more money than the combined net worth of most of this board. Of course there are other mitigating factors like whether or not he would be able to replicate this kind of production on a worse team and harming his next contract, but at the end of day how could anyone be expected to leave $10+ million on the table?

Who knows where Danny is in his offer but I'm of the mindset that if IT and Danny can work out a mutually beneficial split where IT gets traded to a stable situation that will pay him his max value and we come away with a nice asset or two and space for Fultz and Smart to take off that'll be what puts an end to IT's time in Boston.

If not then IT, deficencies and all, will resign here and drag half of this board and the Boston media scene kicking and screaming to multiple deep playoff births while constantly threatening the scoring title. Keep IT or not I think we'll be we'll suited to remaining a monster for years to come. Whether or not that produces banner 18 remains to be seen.

It's an extension those are usually 3 years. If he plays out year then he will obviously demand a 4 year.

[Csfan1984]

IT for Miles Turner and pick(s)? That is very tempting. Miles Turner may "never be what Isaiah is" but his style fits perfectly with Brad's system. If we got Fultz or Ball, then this would in theory be a great idea... but I'm not sure if Indiana would even do it.

I'd consider that deal yet Pacers would be risking a lot given the PG situation also looming.

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

IT for Miles Turner and pick(s)? That is very tempting. Miles Turner may "never be what Isaiah is" but his style fits perfectly with Brad's system. If we got Fultz or Ball, then this would in theory be a great idea... but I'm not sure if Indiana would even do it.

That's an idea I might be able to get behind.

[Darío SpanishFan]

IT for Miles Turner and pick(s)? That is very tempting. Miles Turner may "never be what Isaiah is" but his style fits perfectly with Brad's system. If we got Fultz or Ball, then this would in theory be a great idea... but I'm not sure if Indiana would even do it.

I'd consider that deal yet Pacers would be risking a lot given the PG situation also looming.

Joining IT and PG is a clear strategy to win now from Indiana, maybe their last chance to keep George long term. It would be, as you say, an all-or-nothing move from the Pacers.

[kozlodoev]

set up his family for generations.

I'm not sure you have a solid grasp of taxes, inflation, and how long a generation actually is, but either way...

[Donoghus]

set up his family for generations.

I'm not sure you have a solid grasp of taxes, inflation, and how long a generation actually is, but either way...

Well, any resemblance of smart financial strategy & planning, and his family should be set up for generations.

[CelticSince83]

The me first attitude is what helps IT push for the buckets we need. I said it before, he is a hero when the shots fall and villain when they don't but regardless that mind set he has is the reason for both. As Rozier said, He's our guy so we have to stand by him despite the mistakes. I'm for a 3 year extension at max $ even if we draft Fultz. I'm in on IT.

Well ya I think most here would be for a 3 year max for Isaiah only problem is that Isaiah would be a fool to accept that offer. He's going to have at least a few 4 year max offers from other teams and as a somewhat limited player he rightfully should be viewing this as his best opportunity to sigh his biggest contract possible and set up his family for generations.

I feel like we fans often downplay about the difference of $10-15 million that he could get if he signed with a team willing to pay him his full market value when it's more money than the combined net worth of most of this board. Of course there are other mitigating factors like whether or not he would be able to replicate this kind of production on a worse team and harming his next contract, but at the end of day how could anyone be expected to leave $10+ million on the table?

Who knows where Danny is in his offer but I'm of the mindset that if IT and Danny can work out a mutually beneficial split where IT gets traded to a stable situation that will pay him his max value and we come away with a nice asset or two and space for Fultz and Smart to take off that'll be what puts an end to IT's time in Boston.

If not then IT, deficencies and all, will resign here and drag half of this board and the Boston media scene kicking and screaming to multiple deep playoff births while constantly threatening the scoring title. Keep IT or not I think we'll be we'll suited to remaining a monster for years to come. Whether or not that produces banner 18 remains to be seen.

That fourth additional year is the make or break of his family's long-term financial stability?  I would say it's riskier and more foolish on his end to try to squeeze the extra year/$.  He's a 5'9 point guard that takes a lot of contact.  I would actually be willing to wager he doesn't get 4 years at max dollars if he is indeed a UFA summer of 2018.   

[Darío SpanishFan]

set up his family for generations.

I'm not sure you have a solid grasp of taxes, inflation, and how long a generation actually is, but either way...

I'm not sure you have a solid grasp of how much money is, let's say, 120 million dollars, even after paying taxes, agents, etc. Especially if you have your head well-assembled.

[nickagneta]

The me first attitude is what helps IT push for the buckets we need. I said it before, he is a hero when the shots fall and villain when they don't but regardless that mind set he has is the reason for both. As Rozier said, He's our guy so we have to stand by him despite the mistakes. I'm for a 3 year extension at max $ even if we draft Fultz. I'm in on IT.

Well ya I think most here would be for a 3 year max for Isaiah only problem is that Isaiah would be a fool to accept that offer. He's going to have at least a few 4 year max offers from other teams and as a somewhat limited player he rightfully should be viewing this as his best opportunity to sigh his biggest contract possible and set up his family for generations.

I feel like we fans often downplay about the difference of $10-15 million that he could get if he signed with a team willing to pay him his full market value when it's more money than the combined net worth of most of this board. Of course there are other mitigating factors like whether or not he would be able to replicate this kind of production on a worse team and harming his next contract, but at the end of day how could anyone be expected to leave $10+ million on the table?

Who knows where Danny is in his offer but I'm of the mindset that if IT and Danny can work out a mutually beneficial split where IT gets traded to a stable situation that will pay him his max value and we come away with a nice asset or two and space for Fultz and Smart to take off that'll be what puts an end to IT's time in Boston.

If not then IT, deficencies and all, will resign here and drag half of this board and the Boston media scene kicking and screaming to multiple deep playoff births while constantly threatening the scoring title. Keep IT or not I think we'll be we'll suited to remaining a monster for years to come. Whether or not that produces banner 18 remains to be seen.

That fourth additional year is the make or break of his family's long-term financial stability?  I would say it's riskier and more foolish on his end to try to squeeze the extra year/$.  He's a 5'9 point guard that takes a lot of contact.  I would actually be willing to wager he doesn't get 4 years at max dollars if he is indeed a UFA summer of 2018.

i would take that bet. If scrubs like Evan Turner and Timofey Mozgov can get 4 years at ridiculous money, IT will get 4 year max money.

[jbpats]

Is IT the most controversial player in Celtics history? I mean think about it. I can’t recall a past or present Celtic player that caused so much disagreement amongst fans.

Is he worth the max/ is he not worth the max?
Should the Celtics even resign him?
Would he be better fit as a sixth man?
Is he part of our bigger future plan?
Is his ego getting to him?
Is he turning into a team cancer?

Some people love him and feel he has earned every cent coming his way, some people like him but don’t want to waste a max on him, some people want his head on a spike.
Has there ever been a player on the Celtics that has caused so much disagreement?

It's amazing to me how the scale can tip in so many directions for one player. I know my opinion of him differs then with some of my closest fans. Put me in the I like him but don't want to pay him max money bracket.

[nickagneta]

Is IT the most controversial player in Celtics history? I mean think about it. I can’t recall a past or present Celtic player that caused so much disagreement amongst fans.

Is he worth the max/ is he not worth the max?
Should the Celtics even resign him?
Would he be better fit as a sixth man?
Is he part of our bigger future plan?
Is his ego getting to him?
Is he turning into a team cancer?

Some people love him and feel he has earned every cent coming his way, some people like him but don’t want to waste a max on him, some people want his head on a spike.
Has there ever been a player on the Celtics that has caused so much disagreement?

It's amazing to me how the scale can tip in so many directions for one player. I know my opinion of him differs then with some of my closest fans. Put me in the I like him but don't want to pay him max money bracket.

Antoine Walker

[CoachBo]

Thanks RondoHondo and Slam for your time to explain. TP for both.

I've backed this way of action since I started to post, and more people are joining it lately. Trade IT in the summer for a good player, draft Fultz/Ball, sign Hayward (or try as hell) and bring Zizic. Then extend Bradley and Smart.

The problem with this whole line of thinking is that start-for-star trades are very hard to make happen and very rare.

Trades of any kind involving star players are rare as it is.  The few that occur tend to be star-for-assets type trades as one side decides to rebuild.   Star-for-star trades happen something like once every few decades.    For that sort of deal to occur, you need to have two teams at the same time needing or wanting to trade away a star player AND wanting to replace them with the type of star player the other team is trying to move.   That's just plain going to be a rare kismet.  On top of that, you now have to factor in all the usual logistical difficulties involved with making trades.

So forget any notion of trading IT for a 'star'.  A more common way that stars get traded is for assets:  Picks, young players, tradable contracts.  You might get a 'good player', but that usually happens as a surprise bonus from a package of assets.  For example, Jae Crowder emerging as a really, really good player out of the Rondo liquidation package.

Further, Danny is almost certainly not going to suddenly be trying to trade Thomas just because Thomas spoke a couple of truths-best-kept-in-the-lockerroom during post-loss frustration moments with microphones shoved in his face.

I challenge anyone to propose a viable IT trade that wouldn't make us all puke.

I'd love to see one as well.

I get trading IT if you could get something resembling equal value but I don't see that happening at all.

What?! Don't you guys even read the thread in which you are posting I just mentioned Myles Turner and Jokic as players I think would work out quite well in a trade. I understand that Denver appears to be all-in on Jokic, but Paul George was quoted as being excited to see IT play during All-Star weekend.

With Bird having some decisions to make on the future of Indy (next year is George's last before FA), this could be a match made in heaven for both teams.

Note: I am not the originator of this idea, but the same threads pop up around here every few days so I figured I would rehash this one since it has apparently been totally forgotten.

IT for Jokic is unrealistic. IT for Turner makes me puke.

IT for Turner is not close to equal value. Its just another trade to bring in another 20 year old with some potential because people feel that somehow having a team filled with players ranging from 19 to 22 is going to win something. News flash, those types of teams lose...and lose a lot.

I guess lottery teams have some appeal here, eh?

TP.

[GratefulCs]

Is IT the most controversial player in Celtics history? I mean think about it. I can’t recall a past or present Celtic player that caused so much disagreement amongst fans.

Is he worth the max/ is he not worth the max?
Should the Celtics even resign him?
Would he be better fit as a sixth man?
Is he part of our bigger future plan?
Is his ego getting to him?
Is he turning into a team cancer?

Some people love him and feel he has earned every cent coming his way, some people like him but don’t want to waste a max on him, some people want his head on a spike.
Has there ever been a player on the Celtics that has caused so much disagreement?

It's amazing to me how the scale can tip in so many directions for one player. I know my opinion of him differs then with some of my closest fans. Put me in the I like him but don't want to pay him max money bracket.

i'd pick rondo