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Re: IT Complaints: Fallout & Future (merged IT kvetching threads)
« Reply #135 on: March 07, 2017, 05:04:24 PM »

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IT and Mickey for Saric, Holmes and a future second? Would make sense for both teams? Of course, every Isaiah trade should be proposed AFTER the draft lottery, so asking now for a "fair" trade is a bit weird. So, assuming we can land Fultz/Ball and keep Bradley and Smart (with Jaylen who can play SG at this stage of his career) trading IT to balance the team shouldn't be out of the question.

I have to say for those who don't respect any opinions different than theirs that this is just a forum when all of us want the Celtics to win and none of us will affect the probabilities of the Celtics to win. So relax and enjoy, guys.
trading an MVP candidate for Dario ****ing Saric is a mind-numbing overpay

I don't think Isaiah is an MVP candidate, given that he only plays on one side of the court. I've sometimes read the realgm forums and nobody says he is a legit contender for MVP, save a few Celtics fans.

Also, Saric has such a beautiful name...  ;D
Thats still pennies on the dollar for a fringe MVP candidate
Hes 28 with 1 year on the contract left
Hes a 28 year old putting up an incredibly efficient 30/6 on the second best team in the East! 2 consecutive all-star appearances.

how do people really want to trade that for Dario Saric???? how?

and I love Saric I really do. It just feels like trading Thomas for him is criminally underrating Thomas.

Re: IT Complaints: Fallout & Future (merged IT kvetching threads)
« Reply #136 on: March 07, 2017, 05:04:45 PM »

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I don't believe his intentions were to cause any rifts because quite clearly, Stevens, like a lot of coaches in the NBA, can do everything right up to a point and then out of no-where decide to get cute and make a costly decision because of pride, inclusion, or an ill-advised idea that James Young will prove useful. I am literally asking myself if Stevens is aware that the trade deadline has passed and James Young's services will no longer be required here in Boston.

IT knows this is his team and it's a player's league. He's the talent here, we NEED him. He'll get away with this slew of criticisms based on the fact. You can feel the frustration as there is a lot of pressure and faith in him from top down in the organization and they want him to earn his money.

LOL. TP.

Regarding IT, my suspicion is that he may be starting to see—as Ray Allen once did—that he is, in one sense, just a single cog in the complex machine that is Danny's Master Plan (hereafter referred to as the DMP).

This isn't to say that Danny doesn't genuinely care about IT, or Ray, or any other of his players; I think he does.

But individual players ultimately play second fiddle to the DMP, because Danny's goal—in fact, his job description—is to win titles, which necessitates making the team as good as possible for as long as possible in each era. The New Big Three era is over, and now he's building the next era. He pulled off a great move getting Stevens as coach, and a big heist in getting IT on the cheap, and I think the quicker-than-expected success over the last couple of seasons presented an opportunity to get even better even quicker, so he signed Horford, then tried like heck to complete the nearly overnight makeover with a KD signing but came up just short.

So for now, he's fallen back on "keep the team good, competitive, and improving" until he can make his next big strike. It didn't happen at this year's trade deadline, but it could happen on draft night, or over the summer; either way, Danny's main concern is maintaining the team's upward trajectory while maintaining roster flexibility so he can strike at the right time and in the right way—that is, making the right moves to ensure as large a title window as possible, certainly longer than the title window of the New Big Three era.

I'm sure that, in Danny's ideal world, that window would align perfectly with IT's rise to stardom (and even the remainder of Horford's prime), but if it doesn't, his sentiment is probably, "Oh well." He's building something, which means that from his point of view, it doesn't matter if Player X is part of the building's foundation, part of its support structure, or the capstone—what matters is the overall building and how that turns out.

That can rub players (and fans) the wrong way, but that's the way it is with Danny. In the DMP, no player is bigger than the team or long-term success.

If I were Isaiah Thomas and I'm having an insane MVP-caliber season, I would feel slighted by Ainge and the Celtics for not recognizing the specialness of this scoring onslaught and cashing in those assets to get the necessary help on the believe that I am THE GUY. 

What if IT walks because he didn't believe Ainge did enough to help him even with all the big-time assets the C's hold?

Then the winning will stop, or at least we'll take a giant step back. Smart is not the player IT is, he's not scoring 30 a game, Lonzo Ball is not scoring 30 a game, Fultz might. Then you can kiss the FA meetings good bye as the team will lose relevancy. I think Ainge should prioritize Isaiah and his happiness in Boston. We have to secure our most important piece, the other dominoes will fall when they need to but right now our current best player is airing the dirty laundry, has been overwhelming underpaid, and can become a distraction...

I totally get the frustration from IT. And my previous post is not how I feel about IT, just my opinion on how I think Danny views the overall team-building process. I hope he's able to keep IT around and that IT is part of the next Celtics dynasty, but it wouldn't surprise me if Danny has something else in mind for IT.
I don't think IT will be here if we draft a PG in the draft. Hopefully Josh Jackson will have a great NCAA and we get him. f we draft Fultz. IT days are numbered. A great Luxury to have. He will make a great Pelican. I would love to see his smile if we win it with him.
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Re: IT Complaints: Fallout & Future (merged IT kvetching threads)
« Reply #137 on: March 07, 2017, 05:08:39 PM »

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Imo the team should suspend IT4 a game....

If not CBS control/respect from the team may start slipping
Most likely IF Stevens has a problem he will talk to him in private, like he did earlier in the year.
when was this?
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18842098/isaiah-thomas-sounds-boston-celtics-blow-second-straight-double-digit-lead

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This is hardly the first time Thomas has quibbled about rotations or minutes. He sounded off back in November after a loss to visiting Golden State in which Stevens pulled him early in the fourth quarter as the Warriors pulled away. Thomas and Stevens talked on the phone that night, and Thomas responded by emerging as maybe the best fourth-quarter scorer in league history since then.

Re: IT Complaints: Fallout & Future (merged IT kvetching threads)
« Reply #138 on: March 07, 2017, 05:13:26 PM »

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Hes a 28 year old putting up an incredibly efficient 30/6 on the second best team in the East! 2 consecutive all-star appearances.

how do people really want to trade that for Dario Saric???? how?

and I love Saric I really do. It just feels like trading Thomas for him is criminally underrating Thomas.

Saric is younger, plays defense and offense, has a high, team-oriented BBIQ and has some years of team control over him with a modest salary. Also, and I have already explained it, if you have Fultz/Ball, Smart, Bradley and even Rozier and Jaylen Brown to play guard, you may need to get another type of player. Holmes is also included in my deal with a second rounder, if you haven't noticed. Maybe it is better than losing Isaiah in 2018 if we don't mean to give him 30 million per (which is likely).

BTW, just seen a four-candidate survey @ realgm for the MVP and they have Kawhi, Westbrook, LeBron and Harden as candidates. Being second in scoring doesn't imply you're close to MVP territory.

Re: IT Complaints: Fallout & Future (merged IT kvetching threads)
« Reply #139 on: March 07, 2017, 05:15:23 PM »

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This whole entire thread is completely ridiculous.

Sorry for bumping it, but it had to be said.

Re: IT Complaints: Fallout & Future (merged IT kvetching threads)
« Reply #140 on: March 07, 2017, 05:16:00 PM »

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Imo the team should suspend IT4 a game....

If not CBS control/respect from the team may start slipping
Most likely IF Stevens has a problem he will talk to him in private, like he did earlier in the year.
when was this?
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18842098/isaiah-thomas-sounds-boston-celtics-blow-second-straight-double-digit-lead

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This is hardly the first time Thomas has quibbled about rotations or minutes. He sounded off back in November after a loss to visiting Golden State in which Stevens pulled him early in the fourth quarter as the Warriors pulled away. Thomas and Stevens talked on the phone that night, and Thomas responded by emerging as maybe the best fourth-quarter scorer in league history since then.

Yeah, but I see that as a problem. This is actually like the third time IT has called out Brad and/or his rotations to the media, but only one of the other times got serious pushback.

I don't think a star as flawed as IT has any justification for calling out the coach (not that I'm sure any star really does - I think the coach is off limits to the media), especially when he's directly responsible for our loss in Phoenix.
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Re: IT Complaints: Fallout & Future (merged IT kvetching threads)
« Reply #141 on: March 07, 2017, 05:31:38 PM »

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Problem with IT, is he's not looking at the bit picture. If the rumors are true DA tried to get TWO big names to come and help, they didn't pan out, and thats why there is no additional help.  DA tied all his efforts into two guys and when the teams backed out, there was no time left. He did an all or nothing this time around. And thats fine.

Other thing is Stevens is still a young coach, and has a team over achieving. But he WILL make mistakes, and yest some times you have to see how a line up may work in a game that may have worked in practice. Plus with two bigs out, you don't have much of a choice, and you still need to try to keep guys rested for the playoffs.

DA and Stevens are just trying to improve this season, they aren't playing for anything more that that. Get a better record, and make a stronger run in the playoffs. Anything more than that is gravy.

I like IT, he's great on the offensive end of the floor, but he's still have a lot to learn about leading a team. Between that and him not being able to be on the defensive end of the floor at crunch time of tight games, makes me wonder if he's worth the full MAX. But maybe thats the old school mentality.

He is looking at the big picture - the big picture for him and guys like Horford is that they're in the middle of their primes and want to compete now. These guys aren't coming in and thinking about the Nets picks and the offseason. It's hypocritical for Danny and Co. to tout a winning culture and then look around and say, "top 4 seed and second round playoff exit is good enough."



I completely get IT's frustrations. The issues with this team aren't new. We've been paper thin in the frontcourt and it should've been addressed by now. We didn't need a major, franchise altering move.

Horford move was to get KD, didn't work. DA put the Nets picks on the table for PG13, Indy didn't bite. We still have draft night were we can snag Butler or PG13, thats where the big picture comes into play.

For being in year 4 after gutting the team to be #2 in the east and even if we got bounced in the second round, I'd say we are ahead of the game. Problem is people are inpatient and greedy. Winning cultures are either brought in like KG, or you have to build it. KG an't walking threw that door, and if he is, he's limping threw it.

DA tried for Butler and PG13 and both teams backed out, so it's not like theirs no effort, but DA is also being smart and not getting rid of everything on a player that may bolt after a season and a half. And he's in the drivers seat when it comes to trades, if we miss out on Butler,Griffen,PG13,Hayward and draft instead, it's still a good future for the C's. It's just going to take longer, but to have a core of...

Smart/Brown/Jackson,Fultx,Ball/Nets 18, along with Zizic and Yabu, thats a pretty good team. It's like Mini, yeah not good right now, but could be scary good in 3 years.

I'd rather DA build threw the draft then try to get a ring for IT and Horford buy auctioning off all the decent talent and picks for players that MIGHT get us past Cleveland and GSW.

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It doesn't seem as though you read my post so again, IT's not caring about what this team may look like in 3 years. He wants to win now as he should. I'm sure Al Horford at age 30 isn't thinking about how the team might be good in 3 years - emphasis on might be because Fultz/Ball may end up the next Kyrie Irving or the next OJ Mayo. We can't want our guys to be competitive and have fire, then get mad when they get frustrated.

Maybe DA signed Horford with an eye towards Durant, but just because Durant signed somewhere else doesn't mean DA's job is done. Our big man rotation behind Al is the worst of the top 4 teams in either conference. Our 6'2" SG is our leading rebounder for goodness sake. I will also state again that Danny could've gotten some frontcourt back up without mortgaging the future or blowing our assets. Terrence Jones was an FA, Toronto acquired PJ Tucker for some second rounders + Jared Sullinger, Nerlens Noel was also traded for essentially 2 second rounders and Justin Anderson.
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Re: IT Complaints: Fallout & Future (merged IT kvetching threads)
« Reply #142 on: March 07, 2017, 05:40:43 PM »

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Amir/K.O.               6.8        +5
Amir small ball       16.9       +2
K.O. small ball       13.7       even
Zeller small ball      5.8         +1
Zeller/Mickey          .6          -3
Mickey small ball     2.0        -11
NO BIGS on floor     2.5        -8

1. The C's got killed without either Amir or K.O. on the floor. 
2. The C's had 2 big men on the floor together for less than 8 minutes against the Clippers.
3. LOL at the Rozier/Smart/Young/Brown/Mickey line up to end the 3rd quarter when the C's  were still up 7.
4. Just wow at the I.T./Bradley/Smart/Brown/Crowder line up in the 4th.

TP.

This (our bipolar performance with/without real bigs on the floor) has been very apparent in the 5-man net rating data for the last couple of seasons.  We consistently suck without at least one '7 footer' (where anybody over 6' 10" counts as a '7 footer') on the floor.  And we pretty consistently do very well when we have conventional two-big lineups.

It boggles my mind sometimes why we keep going super-super small all the time.  It doesn't work for us.
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Re: IT Complaints: Fallout & Future (merged IT kvetching threads)
« Reply #143 on: March 07, 2017, 05:41:55 PM »

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I just hope cooler heads prevail.

We've lost two games that IT4 believes we should've won. We ALSO been without perhaps our MAIN COG (Al Horford) the last two games.

Al does MANY things well. He hasn't shot the ball well the last few games BUT he's a very good passer, good defender, and - when he's making his shots - a threat from deep. He also CAN rebound well at times even though I wish there was more of it.

We were ALSO without AB for the PHX game.

We really don't have a lot of room for error, unfortunately. Danny could not get help at trade deadline because teams seemingly asked too much. I can respect that choice.

The fallout, though - is that when we lose a key piece to injury like this it leaves us rather vulnerable as a team.

I really can't fault Coach Stevens. He may have made some questionable choices BUT I wish IT would just talk to him in private OR have a Coach-Team meeting WITHOUT the Media. I think players like IT can say stuff in FRUSTRATION to the Media(even if there is some truth to what IT said).....BUT it's a bad look when you do this as a player.

IT MUST trust this team AND the Coach and that should be reciprocated. IT must ALSO look at the big picture (as I've seen posted here), and realize that while more help isn't here YET that Danny is still building.

Get well, Al Horford. What he brings to this team can be overlooked sometimes.

Re: IT Complaints: Fallout & Future (merged IT kvetching threads)
« Reply #144 on: March 07, 2017, 05:44:49 PM »

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Amir/K.O.               6.8        +5
Amir small ball       16.9       +2
K.O. small ball       13.7       even
Zeller small ball      5.8         +1
Zeller/Mickey          .6          -3
Mickey small ball     2.0        -11
NO BIGS on floor     2.5        -8

1. The C's got killed without either Amir or K.O. on the floor. 
2. The C's had 2 big men on the floor together for less than 8 minutes against the Clippers.
3. LOL at the Rozier/Smart/Young/Brown/Mickey line up to end the 3rd quarter when the C's  were still up 7.
4. Just wow at the I.T./Bradley/Smart/Brown/Crowder line up in the 4th.

TP.

This (our bipolar performance with/without real bigs on the floor) has been very apparent in the 5-man net rating data for the last couple of seasons.  We consistently suck without at least one '7 footer' (where anybody over 6' 10" counts as a '7 footer') on the floor.  And we pretty consistently do very well when we have conventional two-big lineups.

It boggles my mind sometimes why we keep going super-super small all the time.  It doesn't work for us.

Which is why I'm not mad at IT being upset at the experimental lineups. I get it, we were down two rotation guys but the Clippers are still trotting out Blake Griffin and DeAndre Jordan - two of the better bigs in the league. Why are we going super duper small tiny against that team?
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Re: IT Complaints: Fallout & Future (merged IT kvetching threads)
« Reply #145 on: March 07, 2017, 05:58:49 PM »

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Re: Isaiah calls out team, coaching staff
« Reply #146 on: March 07, 2017, 06:01:41 PM »

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There's several different things going on here. But this should be mentioned - IT is certainly wrong in this, but he's not alone, and it's not necessarily Stevens at fault here either.

Yes, Stevens was experimenting last night, and several of the lineups just didn't work out. I think people are focusing on the wrong lineup, though. I don't think it was necessarily the Rozier, Smart, Young, Brown, and Mickey lineup that upset him, or at least solely upset him; he was visibly frustrated at the super small lineup of IT, AB, Smart, Jaylen, and Crowder that we put out there that led to DJ scoring like 6 straight points on us, too.

But, again, what was Stevens supposed to do? We were without both Al and JJ; Amir can only reliably play like 20 minutes a game anymore; KO and Zeller have been so bad lately that they're borderline unplayable; and Mickey just simply isn't ready or good enough to play in these types of games. Stevens is just playing the hand that he was dealt. Sure, I didn't like those super young or super small lineups either, but I understood what Stevens was doing to try and find something that would work with our barren bigs rotation. And hell, I've criticized Stevens' rotations a ton on here in the past, but what in the hell do people really expect him to do last night? Our bigs rotation is one of the worst in the league as it is already, and when you take away two of the main contributors and consider the fact that KO has been pretty much useless since the ASB, that's pretty much a no-win scenario.

Ultimately, the real blame here is not to be put on Stevens; the real blame is to be put on Danny. By failing to upgrade the roster in any way at the deadline, he has brought all of this controversy on this team. This BS approach of trying to compete now while building for the future just simply isn't sustainable. You must either use some of our lesser assets to upgrade this team now to give it a legit shot of competing (i.e. Ibaka, Tucker, Noel, etc.), while keeping our core assets together, or just simply build towards the freaking future. You're essentially handicapping our current team and creating chemistry and rotation problems by not giving them the help they so clearly need. And this is what it leads to - a frustrated, primadonna pint-sized star blaming everyone else on the team other than himself for our recent losses.

But even with that being said, IT is completely at fault here, too. Calling out the coach is off-limits, let alone the two to three different times that IT has done it this year. Lebron was totally ripped as a primadonna crybaby on here when he was calling out Blatte two years ago, and IT should get the same level of criticism, especially since he's neglected to take any of the responsibility for the losses himself, even when the Phoenix game was pretty much squarely on his shoulders. That's not what good leaders do, and there's just too much evidence to the contrary to argue any different about IT anymore.

For me, this was my last straw with IT. I'm honestly unsure if I really want to extend IT at big money under any circumstance at this point. Beyond having significant holes in his game that simply are not going to go away, I just don't think he's the leader that we need, and this has pretty much been proven the last two games when he's blamed other players and the coach for the losses, yet has not taken the blame himself, which is what a good leader does. And this is all in addition to his "nobody holds me in check" diatribe the other night after the Cleveland game that largely went unnoticed here. Here's what he said:

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Although maybe not as loud a performance, at least not by his lofty, King in the Fourth standards, Boston Celtics point guard Isaiah Thomas made a series of key, late-game plays Wednesday night against the Cleveland Cavaliers. When a reporter asked Thomas what Cleveland did to keep him in check, a ruffled Thomas interrupted the question for a clarification.

"Nobody holds me in check," Thomas said after his 31-point, five-assist effort in a 103-99 triumph over the Eastern Conference-leading Cavaliers at a rollicking TD Garden.

"I made plays," he said. "I average 30 points for a reason."

This came after four straight games where he was literally shut down and held in check in the fourth quarter, and two of those games were major clunkers where IT's terrible play directly cost us games, including his 6-17, 3 TO game in Toronto and his abysmal 4-21, 7 TO game against Atlanta. In fact, the Cleveland game came right after that abysmal Atlanta game where he was most certainly "held in check," so it's simply hilarious that he's that arrogant.

If people don't think IT has an attitude issue this year, then they're just being willfully ignorant because he's on our team. At this point, I'd much rather keep AB at big money long-term than IT, because at least AB is a high-character guy that would always point the finger at himself first before others. AB, Smart, Brown, Al, Amir, Crowder - pretty much everyone else on the team I view as high-character, team-first players. But I simply can't say the same about IT, and that's why I'm ultimately done with him as a Celtic. As long as he is a Celtic, I'll cheer for him to succeed, but now I really hope his tenure here is shorter rather than longer, even if that means a step back in the present in the competitiveness of our team.
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Re: IT Complaints: Fallout & Future (merged IT kvetching threads)
« Reply #147 on: March 07, 2017, 06:06:35 PM »

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just my two cents: 
I enjoy this blog more when it doesn't try to function as the behavior police.  Let the guys get frustrated and pop off...
without crucifying them.

Otherwise it drifts into Felger territory..

Re: Isaiah calls out team, coaching staff
« Reply #148 on: March 07, 2017, 06:25:24 PM »

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There's several different things going on here. But this should be mentioned - IT is certainly wrong in this, but he's not alone, and it's not necessarily Stevens at fault here either.

Yes, Stevens was experimenting last night, and several of the lineups just didn't work out. I think people are focusing on the wrong lineup, though. I don't think it was necessarily the Rozier, Smart, Young, Brown, and Mickey lineup that upset him, or at least solely upset him; he was visibly frustrated at the super small lineup of IT, AB, Smart, Jaylen, and Crowder that we put out there that led to DJ scoring like 6 straight points on us, too.

But, again, what was Stevens supposed to do? We were without both Al and JJ; Amir can only reliably play like 20 minutes a game anymore; KO and Zeller have been so bad lately that they're borderline unplayable; and Mickey just simply isn't ready or good enough to play in these types of games. Stevens is just playing the hand that he was dealt. Sure, I didn't like those super young or super small lineups either, but I understood what Stevens was doing to try and find something that would work with our barren bigs rotation. And hell, I've criticized Stevens' rotations a ton on here in the past, but what in the hell do people really expect him to do last night? Our bigs rotation is one of the worst in the league as it is already, and when you take away two of the main contributors and consider the fact that KO has been pretty much useless since the ASB, that's pretty much a no-win scenario.

Ultimately, the real blame here is not to be put on Stevens; the real blame is to be put on Danny. By failing to upgrade the roster in any way at the deadline, he has brought all of this controversy on this team. This BS approach of trying to compete now while building for the future just simply isn't sustainable. You must either use some of our lesser assets to upgrade this team now to give it a legit shot of competing (i.e. Ibaka, Tucker, Noel, etc.), while keeping our core assets together, or just simply build towards the freaking future. You're essentially handicapping our current team and creating chemistry and rotation problems by not giving them the help they so clearly need. And this is what it leads to - a frustrated, primadonna pint-sized star blaming everyone else on the team other than himself for our recent losses.

But even with that being said, IT is completely at fault here, too. Calling out the coach is off-limits, let alone the two to three different times that IT has done it this year. Lebron was totally ripped as a primadonna crybaby on here when he was calling out Blatte two years ago, and IT should get the same level of criticism, especially since he's neglected to take any of the responsibility for the losses himself, even when the Phoenix game was pretty much squarely on his shoulders. That's not what good leaders do, and there's just too much evidence to the contrary to argue any different about IT anymore.

For me, this was my last straw with IT. I'm honestly unsure if I really want to extend IT at big money under any circumstance at this point. Beyond having significant holes in his game that simply are not going to go away, I just don't think he's the leader that we need, and this has pretty much been proven the last two games when he's blamed other players and the coach for the losses, yet has not taken the blame himself, which is what a good leader does. And this is all in addition to his "nobody holds me in check" diatribe the other night after the Cleveland game that largely went unnoticed here. Here's what he said:

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Although maybe not as loud a performance, at least not by his lofty, King in the Fourth standards, Boston Celtics point guard Isaiah Thomas made a series of key, late-game plays Wednesday night against the Cleveland Cavaliers. When a reporter asked Thomas what Cleveland did to keep him in check, a ruffled Thomas interrupted the question for a clarification.

"Nobody holds me in check," Thomas said after his 31-point, five-assist effort in a 103-99 triumph over the Eastern Conference-leading Cavaliers at a rollicking TD Garden.

"I made plays," he said. "I average 30 points for a reason."

This came after four straight games where he was literally shut down and held in check in the fourth quarter, and two of those games were major clunkers where IT's terrible play directly cost us games, including his 6-17, 3 TO game in Toronto and his abysmal 4-21, 7 TO game against Atlanta. In fact, the Cleveland game came right after that abysmal Atlanta game where he was most certainly "held in check," so it's simply hilarious that he's that arrogant.

If people don't think IT has an attitude issue this year, then they're just being willfully ignorant because he's on our team. At this point, I'd much rather keep AB at big money long-term than IT, because at least AB is a high-character guy that would always point the finger at himself first before others. AB, Smart, Brown, Al, Amir, Crowder - pretty much everyone else on the team I view as high-character, team-first players. But I simply can't say the same about IT, and that's why I'm ultimately done with him as a Celtic. As long as he is a Celtic, I'll cheer for him to succeed, but now I really hope his tenure here is shorter rather than longer, even if that means a step back in the present in the competitiveness of our team.

Even though I don't agree with IT's media talk, I won't EVER give up on him. I strongly believe that he can be our starting PG on a Championship team.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but your tone seems to suggest otherwise. IT is not devoid of discipline. He's obviously frustrated right now but we can't give up on him.

I trust Danny, but sooner than later SOMETHING has to give with the direction of this team. I've been tooting his horn ad infinitum but within near future either we've GOT to get some help for this CURRENT team - even if it means giving up a piece, a draft pick or something.

EDIT - I'm hoping for some Free Agent love this summer, too...THAT is my preferred way to upgrade this team being that I love who we have here now.


Re: IT Complaints: Fallout & Future (merged IT kvetching threads)
« Reply #149 on: March 07, 2017, 06:26:47 PM »

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Imo the team should suspend IT4 a game....

If not CBS control/respect from the team may start slipping
Most likely IF Stevens has a problem he will talk to him in private, like he did earlier in the year.
when was this?
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18842098/isaiah-thomas-sounds-boston-celtics-blow-second-straight-double-digit-lead

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This is hardly the first time Thomas has quibbled about rotations or minutes. He sounded off back in November after a loss to visiting Golden State in which Stevens pulled him early in the fourth quarter as the Warriors pulled away. Thomas and Stevens talked on the phone that night, and Thomas responded by emerging as maybe the best fourth-quarter scorer in league history since then.

Yeah, but I see that as a problem. This is actually like the third time IT has called out Brad and/or his rotations to the media, but only one of the other times got serious pushback.

I don't think a star as flawed as IT has any justification for calling out the coach (not that I'm sure any star really does - I think the coach is off limits to the media), especially when he's directly responsible for our loss in Phoenix.

That's absurd.

IT missed a FT that by itself would have meant nothing if all other events unfolded the same.  And he was on the receiving end of the pass from Jae that Chriss got a hand in which lead to the winning tre by Ulis.   Whether that mess up was IT's fault or Jae's (HE's the only one who should have seen Chriss coming in from behind Isaiah) or both is debatable.

But to suggest that Isaiah was 'directly responsible' for the loss ignores the TEN FREE THROWS that Jae, Jaylen, Jonas and Marcus combined to miss in that game.

Those four guys combined to shoot 63% from the line, clanking rim after rim.

If they make just a few of those ten misses drop in, we win the game easy.

Isaiah made 10 of his 11 FTAs.
NBA Officiating - Corrupt?  Incompetent?  Which is worse?  Does it matter?  It sucks.