Magic were offered Cousins?

[Roy H.]

I see no reason to doubt this.  From Sacramento's perspective they get better on the court with both Vuc and Fournier plus probably pick up at least 1 future first.

How would that make Sacramento better?

Cousins produces almost as much on his own as Fournier and Vucevic do combined, and they'd be opening up a gaping hole in the middle defensively while also negatively affecting their spacing.

Sacramento has sucked forever WITH Cousins.  Worrying about spacing in this situation is silly.

Vucevic and Fournier seem like legit NBA starters and they're locked up for two and four more years respectively.  Cousins is a free agent after next season.  It's swapping out a headcase superstar who is going to demand all the max money, despite never winning you a blessed thing, for two maybe-stars who will probably cost less combined and at least one first round pick.

Nothing is going to make Sacramento better this year but the trade would clearly open up more avenues for improvement than simply trusting in Cousins to stop being a knucklehead.

I can see Sacramento making the offer and I can see the Orlando GM turning it down because he's an idiot.

The best option for the Kings, of course, is too hope Boston gets the #1 and then trade Boogie for that, the Nets 2018 pick, the Memphis pick, one first rounder from us, Bradley and Zeller.

Mike

What has Orlando won with Vucevic and Fournier?

Also, one superstar > two (non-)"maybe stars".

Cousins: 27.8 points, 10.7 rebounds, 4.9 assists, 1.4 steals, 1.3 blocks, 7.7FTM, 1.7 3PM

"Maybe stars": 30.7 points, 13.3 rebounds, 6.2 assists, 2.0 steals, 1.1 blocks, 4.5FTM, 1.9 3PM

Cousins makes more threes than Fornier, and shoots a higher percentage. He's got the highest ORtg lowest DRtg, and best TS% of any of the three.

To equal or exceed the non-stars production, the Kings would needs starting SG who averages 2.9 points, 2.6 rebounds, 1.3 assists, 0.6 steals, 0.0 blocks, 0.0 FTM, and 0.2 FTM.  That's roughly Demetrius Jackson production (in 4.3 minutes per game).

See that thing over there you missed?  It's called the point.

1.  I brought up the Kings' lack of success with Cousins in connection to your concern about "spacing."  IT MAKES NO SENSE to worry about "spacing" when your team is on pace to win 35 or fewer games for the seventh season in a row, despite having a supposedly elite player.

2.  As I wrote, there's nothing the Kings can do to be better right now, including trading Cousins for Vucevic and Fournier.  The question is which is better for potential future success?  Invest a max salary chunk of your cap in a headcase who has been an enormous pain to deal with and hasn't even led you to a .500 record, or probably spending less money on two mid-level starters who have little record of being problems on or off the court and getting at least one additional first round pick?  It's the choice between scrambling to be a win-now team that's bet everything on one guy with a terrible track record or going into a rebuild with as many options as possible.  There's nothing crazy about preferring the latter option.

Do I think this is the best deal they could get for Cousins?  No.  Do I think they should make the trade?  No.  A smart NBA GM, however, has to think beyond the moment and realize that sometimes taking a step back is the only way to move forward.

Mike

When has trading a dollar bill for two quarters ever worked out?

[colincb]

Very suspect.

[hpantazo]

As our president would say "didn't happen. FAKE NEWS

You don't even see the irony in this do you? 😀

I do , but even a broken clock is right twice a day. Every now and then, some of his phrases are appropriate.

The Bleacher Report must be using some alternative facts for this one.

[PhoSita]

This sounds very much like a report serving the interest of somebody who wants to trade Vucevic and Fournier.

[Rosco917]

I hope the Celtics organization isn't sitting back, thinking we have all assets needed to make this deal, and then just let it slip by because they wanted to "win" the trade. Other teams are out there, looking to get better too.

Just a thought...

[hwangjini_1]

As our your president would say "didn't happen. FAKE NEWS

[SHAQATTACK]

If they were offered Boogie and did turn it down they WERE STUPID is all I can say.

[Eddie20]

I see no reason to doubt this.  From Sacramento's perspective they get better on the court with both Vuc and Fournier plus probably pick up at least 1 future first.

How would that make Sacramento better?

Cousins produces almost as much on his own as Fournier and Vucevic do combined, and they'd be opening up a gaping hole in the middle defensively while also negatively affecting their spacing.

Sacramento has sucked forever WITH Cousins.  Worrying about spacing in this situation is silly.

Vucevic and Fournier seem like legit NBA starters and they're locked up for two and four more years respectively.  Cousins is a free agent after next season.  It's swapping out a headcase superstar who is going to demand all the max money, despite never winning you a blessed thing, for two maybe-stars who will probably cost less combined and at least one first round pick.

Nothing is going to make Sacramento better this year but the trade would clearly open up more avenues for improvement than simply trusting in Cousins to stop being a knucklehead.

I can see Sacramento making the offer and I can see the Orlando GM turning it down because he's an idiot.

The best option for the Kings, of course, is too hope Boston gets the #1 and then trade Boogie for that, the Nets 2018 pick, the Memphis pick, one first rounder from us, Bradley and Zeller.

Mike

What has Orlando won with Vucevic and Fournier?

Also, one superstar > two (non-)"maybe stars".

Cousins: 27.8 points, 10.7 rebounds, 4.9 assists, 1.4 steals, 1.3 blocks, 7.7FTM, 1.7 3PM

"Maybe stars": 30.7 points, 13.3 rebounds, 6.2 assists, 2.0 steals, 1.1 blocks, 4.5FTM, 1.9 3PM

Cousins makes more threes than Fornier, and shoots a higher percentage. He's got the highest ORtg lowest DRtg, and best TS% of any of the three.

To equal or exceed the non-stars production, the Kings would needs starting SG who averages 2.9 points, 2.6 rebounds, 1.3 assists, 0.6 steals, 0.0 blocks, 0.0 FTM, and 0.2 FTM.  That's roughly Demetrius Jackson production (in 4.3 minutes per game).

See that thing over there you missed?  It's called the point.

1.  I brought up the Kings' lack of success with Cousins in connection to your concern about "spacing."  IT MAKES NO SENSE to worry about "spacing" when your team is on pace to win 35 or fewer games for the seventh season in a row, despite having a supposedly elite player.

2.  As I wrote, there's nothing the Kings can do to be better right now, including trading Cousins for Vucevic and Fournier.  The question is which is better for potential future success?  Invest a max salary chunk of your cap in a headcase who has been an enormous pain to deal with and hasn't even led you to a .500 record, or probably spending less money on two mid-level starters who have little record of being problems on or off the court and getting at least one additional first round pick?  It's the choice between scrambling to be a win-now team that's bet everything on one guy with a terrible track record or going into a rebuild with as many options as possible.  There's nothing crazy about preferring the latter option.

Do I think this is the best deal they could get for Cousins?  No.  Do I think they should make the trade?  No.  A smart NBA GM, however, has to think beyond the moment and realize that sometimes taking a step back is the only way to move forward.

Mike

When has trading a dollar bill for two quarters ever worked out?

Most recently the Rondo trade is a good example.

[Roy H.]

I see no reason to doubt this.  From Sacramento's perspective they get better on the court with both Vuc and Fournier plus probably pick up at least 1 future first.

How would that make Sacramento better?

Cousins produces almost as much on his own as Fournier and Vucevic do combined, and they'd be opening up a gaping hole in the middle defensively while also negatively affecting their spacing.

Sacramento has sucked forever WITH Cousins.  Worrying about spacing in this situation is silly.

Vucevic and Fournier seem like legit NBA starters and they're locked up for two and four more years respectively.  Cousins is a free agent after next season.  It's swapping out a headcase superstar who is going to demand all the max money, despite never winning you a blessed thing, for two maybe-stars who will probably cost less combined and at least one first round pick.

Nothing is going to make Sacramento better this year but the trade would clearly open up more avenues for improvement than simply trusting in Cousins to stop being a knucklehead.

I can see Sacramento making the offer and I can see the Orlando GM turning it down because he's an idiot.

The best option for the Kings, of course, is too hope Boston gets the #1 and then trade Boogie for that, the Nets 2018 pick, the Memphis pick, one first rounder from us, Bradley and Zeller.

Mike

What has Orlando won with Vucevic and Fournier?

Also, one superstar > two (non-)"maybe stars".

Cousins: 27.8 points, 10.7 rebounds, 4.9 assists, 1.4 steals, 1.3 blocks, 7.7FTM, 1.7 3PM

"Maybe stars": 30.7 points, 13.3 rebounds, 6.2 assists, 2.0 steals, 1.1 blocks, 4.5FTM, 1.9 3PM

Cousins makes more threes than Fornier, and shoots a higher percentage. He's got the highest ORtg lowest DRtg, and best TS% of any of the three.

To equal or exceed the non-stars production, the Kings would needs starting SG who averages 2.9 points, 2.6 rebounds, 1.3 assists, 0.6 steals, 0.0 blocks, 0.0 FTM, and 0.2 FTM.  That's roughly Demetrius Jackson production (in 4.3 minutes per game).

See that thing over there you missed?  It's called the point.

1.  I brought up the Kings' lack of success with Cousins in connection to your concern about "spacing."  IT MAKES NO SENSE to worry about "spacing" when your team is on pace to win 35 or fewer games for the seventh season in a row, despite having a supposedly elite player.

2.  As I wrote, there's nothing the Kings can do to be better right now, including trading Cousins for Vucevic and Fournier.  The question is which is better for potential future success?  Invest a max salary chunk of your cap in a headcase who has been an enormous pain to deal with and hasn't even led you to a .500 record, or probably spending less money on two mid-level starters who have little record of being problems on or off the court and getting at least one additional first round pick?  It's the choice between scrambling to be a win-now team that's bet everything on one guy with a terrible track record or going into a rebuild with as many options as possible.  There's nothing crazy about preferring the latter option.

Do I think this is the best deal they could get for Cousins?  No.  Do I think they should make the trade?  No.  A smart NBA GM, however, has to think beyond the moment and realize that sometimes taking a step back is the only way to move forward.

Mike

When has trading a dollar bill for two quarters ever worked out?

Most recently the Rondo trade is a good example.

Rondo wasn't a dollar bill.

[celtics2030]

Cousins is overrated. Nobody cries like a baby more than him.

Everyone says Sacramento would not win without him , ok fine, but if they had Vucevic and or Fournier, the same could be said, they probably would play more like a team

They did beat us without him and looked good because they actually passed the ball more

Everytime I watch Cousins in clutch 4th quarter opportunities he completely fails, like utterly completed fails.

I have gotten older to know that It does not take one player, and a player who cries, whines and complains is never good for a basketball team. Never.

[celtics2030]

Celtic bloggers are hilarious though

they laugh at this trade and are shocked and disgusted

but would easily throw a trade of  Rozier, Amir, Zeller a pick for Cousins.

[jambr380]

Celtic bloggers are hilarious though

they laugh at this trade and are shocked and disgusted

but would easily throw a trade of  Rozier, Amir, Zeller a pick for Cousins.

Nobody has ever done this for Cousins or a player of his caliber.

The offer above might have been thrown out there for Carmelo, but that is only because we have extreme leverage in that situation and most don't really want him anyway.

[Roy H.]

Everytime I watch Cousins in clutch 4th quarter opportunities he completely fails, like utterly completed fails.

According to NBA.com, Cousins scores the third most points in the clutch, behind Westbrook and IT, and is 4th in clutch rebounding.

[Eddie20]

I see no reason to doubt this.  From Sacramento's perspective they get better on the court with both Vuc and Fournier plus probably pick up at least 1 future first.

How would that make Sacramento better?

Cousins produces almost as much on his own as Fournier and Vucevic do combined, and they'd be opening up a gaping hole in the middle defensively while also negatively affecting their spacing.

Sacramento has sucked forever WITH Cousins.  Worrying about spacing in this situation is silly.

Vucevic and Fournier seem like legit NBA starters and they're locked up for two and four more years respectively.  Cousins is a free agent after next season.  It's swapping out a headcase superstar who is going to demand all the max money, despite never winning you a blessed thing, for two maybe-stars who will probably cost less combined and at least one first round pick.

Nothing is going to make Sacramento better this year but the trade would clearly open up more avenues for improvement than simply trusting in Cousins to stop being a knucklehead.

I can see Sacramento making the offer and I can see the Orlando GM turning it down because he's an idiot.

The best option for the Kings, of course, is too hope Boston gets the #1 and then trade Boogie for that, the Nets 2018 pick, the Memphis pick, one first rounder from us, Bradley and Zeller.

Mike

What has Orlando won with Vucevic and Fournier?

Also, one superstar > two (non-)"maybe stars".

Cousins: 27.8 points, 10.7 rebounds, 4.9 assists, 1.4 steals, 1.3 blocks, 7.7FTM, 1.7 3PM

"Maybe stars": 30.7 points, 13.3 rebounds, 6.2 assists, 2.0 steals, 1.1 blocks, 4.5FTM, 1.9 3PM

Cousins makes more threes than Fornier, and shoots a higher percentage. He's got the highest ORtg lowest DRtg, and best TS% of any of the three.

To equal or exceed the non-stars production, the Kings would needs starting SG who averages 2.9 points, 2.6 rebounds, 1.3 assists, 0.6 steals, 0.0 blocks, 0.0 FTM, and 0.2 FTM.  That's roughly Demetrius Jackson production (in 4.3 minutes per game).

See that thing over there you missed?  It's called the point.

1.  I brought up the Kings' lack of success with Cousins in connection to your concern about "spacing."  IT MAKES NO SENSE to worry about "spacing" when your team is on pace to win 35 or fewer games for the seventh season in a row, despite having a supposedly elite player.

2.  As I wrote, there's nothing the Kings can do to be better right now, including trading Cousins for Vucevic and Fournier.  The question is which is better for potential future success?  Invest a max salary chunk of your cap in a headcase who has been an enormous pain to deal with and hasn't even led you to a .500 record, or probably spending less money on two mid-level starters who have little record of being problems on or off the court and getting at least one additional first round pick?  It's the choice between scrambling to be a win-now team that's bet everything on one guy with a terrible track record or going into a rebuild with as many options as possible.  There's nothing crazy about preferring the latter option.

Do I think this is the best deal they could get for Cousins?  No.  Do I think they should make the trade?  No.  A smart NBA GM, however, has to think beyond the moment and realize that sometimes taking a step back is the only way to move forward.

Mike

When has trading a dollar bill for two quarters ever worked out?

Most recently the Rondo trade is a good example.

Rondo wasn't a dollar bill.

So a half dollar for 2 dimes (Crowder and Wright).

[Roy H.]

I see no reason to doubt this.  From Sacramento's perspective they get better on the court with both Vuc and Fournier plus probably pick up at least 1 future first.

How would that make Sacramento better?

Cousins produces almost as much on his own as Fournier and Vucevic do combined, and they'd be opening up a gaping hole in the middle defensively while also negatively affecting their spacing.

Sacramento has sucked forever WITH Cousins.  Worrying about spacing in this situation is silly.

Vucevic and Fournier seem like legit NBA starters and they're locked up for two and four more years respectively.  Cousins is a free agent after next season.  It's swapping out a headcase superstar who is going to demand all the max money, despite never winning you a blessed thing, for two maybe-stars who will probably cost less combined and at least one first round pick.

Nothing is going to make Sacramento better this year but the trade would clearly open up more avenues for improvement than simply trusting in Cousins to stop being a knucklehead.

I can see Sacramento making the offer and I can see the Orlando GM turning it down because he's an idiot.

The best option for the Kings, of course, is too hope Boston gets the #1 and then trade Boogie for that, the Nets 2018 pick, the Memphis pick, one first rounder from us, Bradley and Zeller.

Mike

What has Orlando won with Vucevic and Fournier?

Also, one superstar > two (non-)"maybe stars".

Cousins: 27.8 points, 10.7 rebounds, 4.9 assists, 1.4 steals, 1.3 blocks, 7.7FTM, 1.7 3PM

"Maybe stars": 30.7 points, 13.3 rebounds, 6.2 assists, 2.0 steals, 1.1 blocks, 4.5FTM, 1.9 3PM

Cousins makes more threes than Fornier, and shoots a higher percentage. He's got the highest ORtg lowest DRtg, and best TS% of any of the three.

To equal or exceed the non-stars production, the Kings would needs starting SG who averages 2.9 points, 2.6 rebounds, 1.3 assists, 0.6 steals, 0.0 blocks, 0.0 FTM, and 0.2 FTM.  That's roughly Demetrius Jackson production (in 4.3 minutes per game).

See that thing over there you missed?  It's called the point.

1.  I brought up the Kings' lack of success with Cousins in connection to your concern about "spacing."  IT MAKES NO SENSE to worry about "spacing" when your team is on pace to win 35 or fewer games for the seventh season in a row, despite having a supposedly elite player.

2.  As I wrote, there's nothing the Kings can do to be better right now, including trading Cousins for Vucevic and Fournier.  The question is which is better for potential future success?  Invest a max salary chunk of your cap in a headcase who has been an enormous pain to deal with and hasn't even led you to a .500 record, or probably spending less money on two mid-level starters who have little record of being problems on or off the court and getting at least one additional first round pick?  It's the choice between scrambling to be a win-now team that's bet everything on one guy with a terrible track record or going into a rebuild with as many options as possible.  There's nothing crazy about preferring the latter option.

Do I think this is the best deal they could get for Cousins?  No.  Do I think they should make the trade?  No.  A smart NBA GM, however, has to think beyond the moment and realize that sometimes taking a step back is the only way to move forward.

Mike

When has trading a dollar bill for two quarters ever worked out?

Most recently the Rondo trade is a good example.

Rondo wasn't a dollar bill.

So a half dollar for 2 dimes (Crowder and Wright).

As we saw, Crowder was the half dollar in that deal.

Do you expect Vuc or Fournier to turn a corner and turn into a superstar?