Someone has to say it - Doc ditched us & now we are better than the Clips!

[Clench123]

It worked out for everybody

[Surferdad]

I sad somethin like 5 years ago and I will repeat once more: Doc is an overrated coach. Boston gave him a lot of credit and raised his value, but the reality says he's an average coach. Something like Nate McMillan or Mike Malone

#16 championship coach KC Jones was a mediocre coach too, in fact he was downright lousy on the X's and O's.  The key for both him and Doc was the ability to manage strong superstar personalities and get them to play together as a team.  Having superstars does not make it a foregone conclusion that you win a championship, witess the Knicks team under Zeke with the record payroll, several LAL teams (the one with Malone/Payton and the one with Howard).

[gift]

It's all cyclical so of course it was going to happen.

I don't like the way Doc left. But I don't blame him for leaving. He just didn't want to go through a rebuild and he was enticed by the opportunity to have more control over his roster. He essentially left for a promotion and easier coaching job.

[KGBirdBias]

I don't like Doc. Didn't want to teach and his coaching was suspect. Only won 1 title with 3 hall of famers.

Not doing much better as a Clipper.

Ditto...too much talent to always underachieve.

[Darío SpanishFan]

Yes, I didn't like much Doc as a coach here, he could have won more than one ring despite injuries and I felt he burnt his starters.

But, being fair, Doc had a very high status (worthy or not) around the league to accept going through a log, as it was supposed, rebuild. We can't blame him for this...and you have said it wisely, it worked out for both parts. Especially for us 

[feckless]

I don't like Doc. Didn't want to teach and his coaching was suspect. Only won 1 title with 3 hall of famers.

I never looked at it that Doc didn't want to teach --but that he agreed with PP and KG not Danny and wanted another year of pursuing the Title with his veterans.  I still consider what Danny did to Paul as disloyal to a player who gave his all for the franchise and wanted, and in my opinion, had earned the right to retire a Celtic.  Water under the bridge but I do not blame Doc but blame Danny- I would have liked to see what another year of a healthy KG, PP and Rajon core could have brought.

[clintonwalker]

I don't like Doc. Didn't want to teach and his coaching was suspect. Only won 1 title with 3 hall of famers.

. This is why it pays to have a GM who's an Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. and not overly loyal. One of the best things the truth did for us was with one of his dying breaths of greatness he sacrificed himself so that the future could be greener. As we draft jaylen brown, Marielle fultz, and ayton I can't help but just picture pp and kg and smile.

I never looked at it that Doc didn't want to teach --but that he agreed with PP and KG not Danny and wanted another year of pursuing the Title with his veterans.  I still consider what Danny did to Paul as disloyal to a player who gave his all for the franchise and wanted, and in my opinion, had earned the right to retire a Celtic.  Water under the bridge but I do not blame Doc but blame Danny- I would have liked to see what another year of a healthy KG, PP and Rajon core could have brought.

[Ogaju]

I don't like Doc. Didn't want to teach and his coaching was suspect. Only won 1 title with 3 hall of famers.

. This is why it pays to have a GM who's an **** and not overly loyal. One of the best things the truth did for us was with one of his dying breaths of greatness he sacrificed himself so that the future could be greener. As we draft jaylen brown, Marielle fultz, and ayton I can't help but just picture pp and kg and smile.

I never looked at it that Doc didn't want to teach --but that he agreed with PP and KG not Danny and wanted another year of pursuing the Title with his veterans.  I still consider what Danny did to Paul as disloyal to a player who gave his all for the franchise and wanted, and in my opinion, had earned the right to retire a Celtic.  Water under the bridge but I do not blame Doc but blame Danny- I would have liked to see what another year of a healthy KG, PP and Rajon core could have brought.

You are kidding right? You saw what another year could have done. You saw it in Brooklyn. They were cooked. The first part of your post is right on though. KG and PP laid the foundation for what the Celtics now are, you cannot look at this team and not thank KG and PP.

[feckless]

I don't like Doc. Didn't want to teach and his coaching was suspect. Only won 1 title with 3 hall of famers.

. This is why it pays to have a GM who's an **** and not overly loyal. One of the best things the truth did for us was with one of his dying breaths of greatness he sacrificed himself so that the future could be greener. As we draft jaylen brown, Marielle fultz, and ayton I can't help but just picture pp and kg and smile.

I never looked at it that Doc didn't want to teach --but that he agreed with PP and KG not Danny and wanted another year of pursuing the Title with his veterans.  I still consider what Danny did to Paul as disloyal to a player who gave his all for the franchise and wanted, and in my opinion, had earned the right to retire a Celtic.  Water under the bridge but I do not blame Doc but blame Danny- I would have liked to see what another year of a healthy KG, PP and Rajon core could have brought.

You are kidding right? You saw what another year could have done. You saw it in Brooklyn. They were cooked. The first part of your post is right on though. KG and PP laid the foundation for what the Celtics now are, you cannot look at this team and not thank KG and PP.

The only thing I saw in Brooklyn was that Brook Lopez, almost immediately  went down for the season and Deron Williams was a head case.  PP and KG held up their end and with the right surrounding cast would have been contenders.

[Ogaju]

I don't like Doc. Didn't want to teach and his coaching was suspect. Only won 1 title with 3 hall of famers.

. This is why it pays to have a GM who's an **** and not overly loyal. One of the best things the truth did for us was with one of his dying breaths of greatness he sacrificed himself so that the future could be greener. As we draft jaylen brown, Marielle fultz, and ayton I can't help but just picture pp and kg and smile.

I never looked at it that Doc didn't want to teach --but that he agreed with PP and KG not Danny and wanted another year of pursuing the Title with his veterans.  I still consider what Danny did to Paul as disloyal to a player who gave his all for the franchise and wanted, and in my opinion, had earned the right to retire a Celtic.  Water under the bridge but I do not blame Doc but blame Danny- I would have liked to see what another year of a healthy KG, PP and Rajon core could have brought.

You are kidding right? You saw what another year could have done. You saw it in Brooklyn. They were cooked. The first part of your post is right on though. KG and PP laid the foundation for what the Celtics now are, you cannot look at this team and not thank KG and PP.

The only thing I saw in Brooklyn was that Brook Lopez, almost immediately  went down for the season and Deron Williams was a head case.  PP and KG held up their end and with the right surrounding cast would have been contenders.

In Boston, Rondo would have still been a head case, and didn't he go down to ACL injury? Boston still did not have a five. No, that run was done.

[feckless]

I don't like Doc. Didn't want to teach and his coaching was suspect. Only won 1 title with 3 hall of famers.

. This is why it pays to have a GM who's an **** and not overly loyal. One of the best things the truth did for us was with one of his dying breaths of greatness he sacrificed himself so that the future could be greener. As we draft jaylen brown, Marielle fultz, and ayton I can't help but just picture pp and kg and smile.

I never looked at it that Doc didn't want to teach --but that he agreed with PP and KG not Danny and wanted another year of pursuing the Title with his veterans.  I still consider what Danny did to Paul as disloyal to a player who gave his all for the franchise and wanted, and in my opinion, had earned the right to retire a Celtic.  Water under the bridge but I do not blame Doc but blame Danny- I would have liked to see what another year of a healthy KG, PP and Rajon core could have brought.

You are kidding right? You saw what another year could have done. You saw it in Brooklyn. They were cooked. The first part of your post is right on though. KG and PP laid the foundation for what the Celtics now are, you cannot look at this team and not thank KG and PP.

The only thing I saw in Brooklyn was that Brook Lopez, almost immediately  went down for the season and Deron Williams was a head case.  PP and KG held up their end and with the right surrounding cast would have been contenders.

In Boston, Rondo would have still been a head case, and didn't he go down to ACL injury? Boston still did not have a five. No, that run was done.

Whether the run was done or not we will never know--my point was Doc, KG and PP wanted, and I still say, had earned another shot--Danny could have gone to the market instead of the nuclear option.  Yes Danny got a lot for tossing our heroes-- but there is something to be said for loyalty.   Bill Russell brought home a championship, against all odds, well past his prime.

[Moranis]

I don't like Doc. Didn't want to teach and his coaching was suspect. Only won 1 title with 3 hall of famers.

. This is why it pays to have a GM who's an **** and not overly loyal. One of the best things the truth did for us was with one of his dying breaths of greatness he sacrificed himself so that the future could be greener. As we draft jaylen brown, Marielle fultz, and ayton I can't help but just picture pp and kg and smile.

I never looked at it that Doc didn't want to teach --but that he agreed with PP and KG not Danny and wanted another year of pursuing the Title with his veterans.  I still consider what Danny did to Paul as disloyal to a player who gave his all for the franchise and wanted, and in my opinion, had earned the right to retire a Celtic.  Water under the bridge but I do not blame Doc but blame Danny- I would have liked to see what another year of a healthy KG, PP and Rajon core could have brought.

You are kidding right? You saw what another year could have done. You saw it in Brooklyn. They were cooked. The first part of your post is right on though. KG and PP laid the foundation for what the Celtics now are, you cannot look at this team and not thank KG and PP.

The only thing I saw in Brooklyn was that Brook Lopez, almost immediately  went down for the season and Deron Williams was a head case.  PP and KG held up their end and with the right surrounding cast would have been contenders.

In Boston, Rondo would have still been a head case, and didn't he go down to ACL injury? Boston still did not have a five. No, that run was done.

Whether the run was done or not we will never know--my point was Doc, KG and PP wanted, and I still say, had earned another shot--Danny could have gone to the market instead of the nuclear option.  Yes Danny got a lot for tossing our heroes-- but there is something to be said for loyalty.   Bill Russell brought home a championship, against all odds, well past his prime.

they had their last shot and went 41-40 and lost in the 1st round of the playoffs.

[feckless]

I don't like Doc. Didn't want to teach and his coaching was suspect. Only won 1 title with 3 hall of famers.

. This is why it pays to have a GM who's an **** and not overly loyal. One of the best things the truth did for us was with one of his dying breaths of greatness he sacrificed himself so that the future could be greener. As we draft jaylen brown, Marielle fultz, and ayton I can't help but just picture pp and kg and smile.

I never looked at it that Doc didn't want to teach --but that he agreed with PP and KG not Danny and wanted another year of pursuing the Title with his veterans.  I still consider what Danny did to Paul as disloyal to a player who gave his all for the franchise and wanted, and in my opinion, had earned the right to retire a Celtic.  Water under the bridge but I do not blame Doc but blame Danny- I would have liked to see what another year of a healthy KG, PP and Rajon core could have brought.

You are kidding right? You saw what another year could have done. You saw it in Brooklyn. They were cooked. The first part of your post is right on though. KG and PP laid the foundation for what the Celtics now are, you cannot look at this team and not thank KG and PP.

The only thing I saw in Brooklyn was that Brook Lopez, almost immediately  went down for the season and Deron Williams was a head case.  PP and KG held up their end and with the right surrounding cast would have been contenders.

In Boston, Rondo would have still been a head case, and didn't he go down to ACL injury? Boston still did not have a five. No, that run was done.

Whether the run was done or not we will never know--my point was Doc, KG and PP wanted, and I still say, had earned another shot--Danny could have gone to the market instead of the nuclear option.  Yes Danny got a lot for tossing our heroes-- but there is something to be said for loyalty.   Bill Russell brought home a championship, against all odds, well past his prime.

they had their last shot and went 41-40 and lost in the 1st round of the playoffs.

The caption for this thread is "Doc ditched us"--I am presenting an alternative view as to why Doc left.  Danny was probably right that PP and KG were cooked but he still tossed our heroes against their wishes.  I believe Doc disagreed with that action and tried to recreate a situation for PP and KG with the Clippers.  That turned out to be against league rules.  Look at Bill Russell's final season for the possibilities even if they are unlikely possibilities.

[Darío SpanishFan]

I don't like Doc. Didn't want to teach and his coaching was suspect. Only won 1 title with 3 hall of famers.

I never looked at it that Doc didn't want to teach --but that he agreed with PP and KG not Danny and wanted another year of pursuing the Title with his veterans.  I still consider what Danny did to Paul as disloyal to a player who gave his all for the franchise and wanted, and in my opinion, had earned the right to retire a Celtic.  Water under the bridge but I do not blame Doc but blame Danny- I would have liked to see what another year of a healthy KG, PP and Rajon core could have brought.

As Moranis (TP) has said, they had a last shot and showed their tanks were half-empty. They needed to be the supporting cast they were in Brooklyn, not the main options they would have been here. That said, the events that happened for them are not our fault.

If Danny would have done what you say, we wouldn't have Jaylen Brown or a good shot to Fultz/Ball this summer and a good pick in 2018. Or a good trade with the picks. With Pierce and Garnett retiring with us, the rebuild now would be starting.

This is business, and Danny understood it very well. To get emotional, watch a Zeffirelli film.

[celts10]

The only thing I saw in Brooklyn was that Brook Lopez, almost immediately  went down for the season and Deron Williams was a head case.  PP and KG held up their end and with the right surrounding cast would have been contenders.

The Nets found their groove after Lopez went down. It forced Kidd to move KG to center, which i what he should have been playing from the start. The KG/Lopez pairing just didn't work well on the court, too slow.