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Offline jmen788

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I am not trying to sound like a stereotypical jerky Boston fan with this - when Doc was here I was basically a member of his fan club. I always talked about how much I loved him, good guy, motivational with the players, etc, etc (I know many others said he wasn't that great of a coach and didn't like him) but I really did like him.

But things all changed when he decided after signing a 5 year big money extension that he was going to ditch the sinking ship when he promised Ainge that he would stay along for the post big 3 rebuild.

Now, a few years later, Doc hasn't won sh*t in the playoffs, and this year we have a better record than the Clips as well as a better and more promising future (they are hard capped, can't add talent, their stars are oft injured, etc).

Does anyone else see the irony here and enjoy it? Or am I just a jerk? Lol

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« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2017, 02:46:41 PM »

Offline esel1000

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Honestly it has to do with Doc the GM...he just isn't good at it. I still think he's a very good coach, but he hasn't done that team any favors by trying to build it

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Offline rayallen_35_24

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stevens is 10X the coach DOC is!

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« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2017, 02:49:35 PM »

Offline esel1000

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wrong thread

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« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2017, 02:50:17 PM »

Offline jmen788

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Honestly it has to do with Doc the GM...he just isn't good at it. I still think he's a very good coach, but he hasn't done that team any favors by trying to build it

I agree - he is an awful GM. He is basically Billy King giving up all their draft picks for years and years to come. Either way we are better off than the Clips.

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« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2017, 02:52:26 PM »

Offline cousytoheinsohn

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It sounds more than a little inappropriate and ungrateful but being rid of Doc was crucial to getting the Cs to where they are now: headed in the right direction.

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Doc was a very good coach for the veteran team Ainge assembled in '08. However, he couldn't coach this one very well and ultimately with his leaving the Cs acquired the best young coach in the league.

Win-win.
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« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2017, 03:13:47 PM »

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I don't like Doc. Didn't want to teach and his coaching was suspect. Only won 1 title with 3 hall of famers.

Not doing much better as a Clipper.
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injuries doomed them, but even healthy I dont think they would ever be a real threat to win a championship. It is nice to see how quickly we reached their level.

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Offline BitterJim

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I don't like Doc. Didn't want to teach and his coaching was suspect. Only won 1 title with 3 hall of famers.

Not doing much better as a Clipper.

He only won 1 championship because KG and Perk got hurt, not because of his coaching
I'm bitter.

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Good.  I've always hated Doc and was glad he left.  I hope Griffin and Paul leave him and he is stuck with his son and Jordan.  Well I wouldn't wish that on his son, maybe he can force a trade.
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Offline 86MaxwellSmart

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I don't like Doc. Didn't want to teach and his coaching was suspect. Only won 1 title with 3 hall of famers.

Not doing much better as a Clipper.

He only won 1 championship because KG and Perk got hurt, not because of his coaching

Or maybe they got hurt---cause Doc wears out his starters. Never wanted to play the bench guys---and almost cost us the only Championship, because he changed his regular rotations in 2008 when the playoffs started. The team finally started playing correctly, when he switched back the the regular season rotations (Eddie House,etc.)
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« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2017, 03:34:07 PM »

Offline CelticPride2016

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It's difficult to evaluate coaches like Doc Rivers and Phil Jackson who must always have championship teams on paper. And then those two thought they could also be GM's. That was their downfall. They were too in love with themselves. They read too many press clippings.

With the way Bradley has improved under Stevens, it makes one wonder how much credit Doc deserves for his development. I remember he worked with him one Summer. I also remember when Avery obviously became better than Ray, Doc didn't have the balls to make the switch, so he played them all. That was when I first learned about the concept of the three guard offense. I didn't like it one bit.

A good team is made up of balancing parts. It's not just pencil in who you think is the best talent or has the most NBA service time.

Doc and Phil like to have guaranteed wins on paper. I have never liked Charles Barkley, but he's correct about Lebron being afraid of competing, and I'd say Doc Rivers is another self-entitled, overrated NBA personality.

Lebron is great, but I call him overrated compared to other historic greats. Michael Jordan was overrated. He got star calls and was sort of a Larry Holmes never having too much competition.

I love pure basketball and that's why I sometimes go after the refs. I think Doc represents a lot of what is wrong with the NBA. I love watching him fail. I would boo Sully and Ray, too, if I could.

Doc got a free ride because we won in 2008. Our team was stacked and should have won it all on paper and we did win in fact. But I'm pretty sure just about any other decent, average coach would have also come out on top.

Bill Simmons used to rip into Doc. Then he went out to Hollywood and started hyping him. That's when I realized Bill Simmons is just anther blowhard. I, too, am a blowhard but am willing to admit it.

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All of the Doc haters.

The man helped engineer The Boston Celtics turnaround as it's Coach during our Resurgent years. He managed egos (KG, Paul, Ray AND Rondo) and had perhaps his GREATEST performance as its coach in this pivotal Game 4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpxtiQZiK2c

Additionally, these fans (and THIS tribute) seem to have a LOT of respect for Glenn Doc Rivers - as do I.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fK2-YkF5a48

"This Starting Five (KG-Paul-Ray-Rondo-Perk) NEVER lost a series" - Glenn Doc Rivers, former Boston Celtics Coach.

We've GOT to let this past stuff go with Doc. He ALREADY did  MASSIVE rebuild in ORL and endured numerous injuries to two of the best players in the NBA at the time in Grant Hill AND Tracy Mcgrady.

Oh what could have been for ORL if his teams would've stayed healthy - even in BOS.

I don't blame him one bit for not wanting to stay in BOS for ANOTHER rebuild. Besides - everything worked out for the best in allowing this "unknown quantity" in Brad Stevens an opportunity.

Fast forward to now? I think it all worked out.

Again we need to let the past stuff go with Doc.


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It's difficult to evaluate coaches like Doc Rivers and Phil Jackson who must always have championship teams on paper. And then those two thought they could also be GM's. That was their downfall. They were too in love with themselves. They read too many press clippings.

With the way Bradley has improved under Stevens, it makes one wonder how much credit Doc deserves for his development. I remember he worked with him one Summer. I also remember when Avery obviously became better than Ray, Doc didn't have the balls to make the switch, so he played them all. That was when I first learned about the concept of the three guard offense. I didn't like it one bit.

A good team is made up of balancing parts. It's not just pencil in who you think is the best talent or has the most NBA service time.

Doc and Phil like to have guaranteed wins on paper. I have never liked Charles Barkley, but he's correct about Lebron being afraid of competing, and I'd say Doc Rivers is another self-entitled, overrated NBA personality.

Lebron is great, but I call him overrated compared to other historic greats. Michael Jordan was overrated. He got star calls and was sort of a Larry Holmes never having too much competition.

I love pure basketball and that's why I sometimes go after the refs. I think Doc represents a lot of what is wrong with the NBA. I love watching him fail. I would boo Sully and Ray, too, if I could.

Doc got a free ride because we won in 2008. Our team was stacked and should have won it all on paper and we did win in fact. But I'm pretty sure just about any other decent, average coach would have also come out on top.

Bill Simmons used to rip into Doc. Then he went out to Hollywood and started hyping him. That's when I realized Bill Simmons is just anther blowhard. I, too, am a blowhard but am willing to admit it.

HAHA that was one massive & glorious full circle rant