Would you trade a Top 4 pick for D'Angelo Russell?

[green_bballers13]

I'm not a fan of Russell but I guess we will see tonight. I expect that he'll be able to get his points, but I'm interested in seeing how he checks IT. Tough challenge for the youngster.

[Moranis]

Russell averaged 19.3 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 5.0 apg, 1.6 spg shooting over 41% from three in 34 mpg at Ohio State.  I think people need to keep that in perspective when they start talking about these young players. 

I take in account the more recent sample size and the one with good competition level.
He can print his stats and nail them to the wall, but it won't change his current competition nor make him fast Moranis.

Sure, but Russell was a dominate college player at a major program, and has struggled in the NBA despite his size.  He is very clearly a talented player.  I merely offered that perspective because these college kids might also similarly struggle.  I mean look at Brandon Ingram.  He has struggled mightily with the Lakers, but was very good at Duke. 

Fultz, Ball, Taytum, Smith, Jackson, etc. might very well be future HOFers, or they might struggle a great deal.  There really is no predicting, but at least with Russell you know exactly what you are going to get, so there might be some real value there as opposed to the unknown, especially since Russell hasn't exactly been terrible.

EDIT: Let me just state this now, I don't think Russell is a good fit here with the roster as is, so I unless I had another move in place, I wouldn't make the trade

[Ilikesports17]

*dominant

[NHCelticsFan]

If we landed at 3 or 4 I would do it.  Maybe even the second pick if Fultz was gone.  Russell is still very young and has shown he can compete.  Very good player and I would love to have him on our roster.  He can play starter minutes right now, where as a rookie would likely need to be brought along slowly.  Still nowhere near his ceiling.

Could you imagine a young backcourt of Russell and Smart?

Edit: As previous poster mentioned, I don't think Russell fits this current roster, but he would be a great piece to build with if another move was made.

[Csfan1984]

I'm going to say no. Though Russell isn't bad I like the current top 6 guys more than I like Russell. Russell could still end up the better player that's just how things can be it's all a guess.

[oldtype]

No sane person would say yes to this.  Russell has not grown/regressed significantly as a prospect this year.

[perks-a-beast]

Fultz is the only guy in this draft better than Russell in my opinion.

He's got 2 years of pro experience and would help us more than any rookie would next year.

See Russell play tonight and you'll see what I mean.

[nickagneta]

Fultz is the only guy in this draft better than Russell in my opinion.

He's got 2 years of pro experience and would help us more than any rookie would next year.

See Russell play tonight and you'll see what I mean.

I have 5 guys whose ceilings I see as higher than Russell so wouldn't do the trade. I also don't like Russell's game. He is an inefficient scorer who is shoot first and second and pass third and turns the ball over a lot. He is a Laker...let him stay a Laker.

[guava_wrench]

Fultz is the only guy in this draft better than Russell in my opinion.

He's got 2 years of pro experience and would help us more than any rookie would next year.

See Russell play tonight and you'll see what I mean.

I have 5 guys whose ceilings I see as higher than Russell so wouldn't do the trade. I also don't like Russell's game. He is an inefficient scorer who is shoot first and second and pass third and turns the ball over a lot. He is a Laker...let him stay a Laker.

Are you comparing the ceiling of each of those 5 to Russell's performance now, or to Russell's ceiling? Russell is still only 20, so that matters.

[Real World]

No thanks.

[byennie]

No. You're losing 2 years of control for a guy shooting 39% and still struggling defensively and with teammates.

I'd love to have Russell, but Fultz/Ball are at least as good PG prospects and after that you're choosing maybe the best wing in the draft.

[oldtype]

Fultz is the only guy in this draft better than Russell in my opinion.

He's got 2 years of pro experience and would help us more than any rookie would next year.

See Russell play tonight and you'll see what I mean.

That's crazy imo.  At a minimum Fultz, Ball, and Jackson are superior prospects even to Russell when he was drafted.

If you consider that Russell has had two full years of questionable play at this point, it's not even close.

[Moranis]

Fultz is the only guy in this draft better than Russell in my opinion.

He's got 2 years of pro experience and would help us more than any rookie would next year.

See Russell play tonight and you'll see what I mean.

That's crazy imo.  At a minimum Fultz, Ball, and Jackson are superior prospects even to Russell when he was drafted.

If you consider that Russell has had two full years of questionable play at this point, it's not even close.

and presumably all 3 of those guys would be off the board when you pick at 4. 

[oldtype]

Fultz is the only guy in this draft better than Russell in my opinion.

He's got 2 years of pro experience and would help us more than any rookie would next year.

See Russell play tonight and you'll see what I mean.

That's crazy imo.  At a minimum Fultz, Ball, and Jackson are superior prospects even to Russell when he was drafted.

If you consider that Russell has had two full years of questionable play at this point, it's not even close.

and presumably all 3 of those guys would be off the board when you pick at 4.

I was talking about guys who would be rated higher if Russell was a 19 year old entering the draft this year.  Now that he's been not that great in the NBA for two years, there's a whole swathe of guys I would take over him all the way down to maybe #12. 

It's not impossible that Russell flips his switch and suddenly becomes great in the future, but he's significantly less likely to be a star now than he was in 2015.

[byennie]

Fultz is the only guy in this draft better than Russell in my opinion.

He's got 2 years of pro experience and would help us more than any rookie would next year.

See Russell play tonight and you'll see what I mean.

That's crazy imo.  At a minimum Fultz, Ball, and Jackson are superior prospects even to Russell when he was drafted.

If you consider that Russell has had two full years of questionable play at this point, it's not even close.

and presumably all 3 of those guys would be off the board when you pick at 4.

Ok, so the question was "top 4 pick". Top 3 are an obvious 'no'. We don't know who will end up rated #4, but 2 additional years of Smith/Tatum/Monk etc would be pretty compelling too.

If the question is were "how high would the pick have to be", I'd say Russell's value is somewhere in the 5-10 range.