All Things Philadelphia 76ers (merged Sixers threads)

[celticsclay]

Jackie Mac says he is already on thin ice to boot, here are her comments:

“I think he’s on thin ice, Zach,” MacMullan said of Butler. “I think he’s on thin ice. And I think he’s a very talented player and no one has ever called him soft either, he’s a very tough player. On paper, he would be exactly what you’d want on a team. He’s not a selfish player, I would never say that about him. He defends, boy does he defend. He gets at it. He makes good decisions on the offensive end of the floor. I don’t know him well enough to know, is it real or is it bravado—this whole idea that I’m going to take everyone on.

“I can tell you, having spent a couple of days in Philadelphia, they don’t love it.”

Between that and his injury it becomes harder to imagine him signing there. Giving up Roco and Saric for 6 months of Butler would be pretty tough to swallow for philly.

I think it will come down to how they do in the playoff.  Of course, someone better might become available in free agency.  However they really can use Butler's defense and his ability to create shots.  Klay Thompson is talked about as being a perfect fit but he's not a shot creator.  Sixer's need another go to guy in crunch time besides Embiid and Simmons isn't it unless he improves his shooting.  There is a lot of negativity around Butler but he's got a great work ethic.  Working himself up from a 30th pick fringe NBA player is impressive. 

In the 2nd quote, who is they?  Philly fans?  People in the Philly organization?  His teammates seem to get along with him.   

Roco was a significant loss.  If they could have included Fultz instead of him, it would have been a much better trade.  Losing Saric wasn't that big of a loss.   

Tazz I didn't see any further comments from Jac on this https://lebronwire.usatoday.com/2019/01/24/jimmy-butler-is-reportedly-on-thin-ice-with-76ers/

But there is a full podcast it is from with Lowe so maybe she says something else. I think for the second quote it is referring to either the front office or players (it wouldn't make any sense for Jac to try to suggest how the fans feel as an insider). If I had to guess I think that Embid is not thrilled with Butler. I will be the first to admit this is just my personal theory and could very well be completely false, but things I think about with Embid
1) He bristled in the past about the idea of adding a third star saying the 76ers had everything they need or something close to that (prior to adding butler)
2) He complained about touches/role twice since Butler arrived and I really don't remember him doing that at all last year (he has complained about how they have handled his injuries and playing time, but I don't believe role)
3) He is really close and love Brown, hard to imagine that he was not bothered by Butler yelling at Brown in front of him
4) he wants to be mvp, all defensive etc, i get the sense he is not in love with sharing the spotlight with a guy that gets as much attention/noise as Butler does right now

You add in that Embid has a much sillier and goofier side than butler (although very serious with his work ethic) and it would not surprise me if Embid doesn't like having Butler around.

I saw that podcast yesterday and plan to listen to it plus the one he did with Jeannie Buss. 
I don't think Jackie Mac has any particular insight into the Sixers.  There are plenty of others like Bodner, Pompei that are better tied into the Sixers organization. 

I really don't see Embiid that way.  He's got a good work ethic and a strong drive for personal and team success and I think he sees those as being intertwined.  He hates losing.  He's emotional and speaks off the cuff.  I don't think you can take what he says at face value.  He's said he hates shooting 3s but he clearly doesn't hate shooting 3s.  He hates missing 3s and he probably prefers to establish his presence inside early in games rather than starting out on the perimeter. 

As usual, I think the media really made the Butler film session incident much bigger than what it was.  Coach Brown clearly wasn't disturbed or concerned about it.  It was an open film session where players were free to speak up.  It sounds like the other players rarely did so but that's not Jimmy Butler's style.  I even heard it suggested on a podcast that Butler was speaking up for other player's views too.  Personally, I think players constructively questioning a coach's offensive and defensive schemes is a good thing. 

I really don't think Embiid minds sharing the spotlight but if he does Simmons gets much more attention/noise than Butler.  I think Embiid would more likely have an issue with Simmons questionable work ethic and unwillingness to shoot jumpers.  Bodner did say recently that Embiid is the most import person in the Sixers organization.  I assume he was excluding the owners.     Bill Simmons made a comment during the playoffs last season about being in the stands and being surprised by how much Sixers fans love Embiid.  I suspect that if there is an issue in the future it will be Simmons chaffing under Embiid's shadow but he still has his own large spotlight.

I know people said they could see that happening with Embid and Simmons. I think it is more possible that Embiid would get sick of Simmons play style if he doesn't develop or start taking jumpers at all, but aside from that I think they have a bond from going through the process, both being injured and missing their first seasons and both being about the same age (I know they have different personalities). I also have not heard any talk of Simmons being abrasive to anyone, if anything, he is too cool for school and can come off like he doesn't care. Butler probably has the reputation of the most abrasive person on any team in the league right now. Also I don't think Jac makes up stuff (unless she is filling air time on around the horn or something) i am sure somebody actually told her something close to that for her to say it Lowe. i don't really view her as a sherrod blakely type.

[tazzmaniac]

Jackie Mac says he is already on thin ice to boot, here are her comments:

“I think he’s on thin ice, Zach,” MacMullan said of Butler. “I think he’s on thin ice. And I think he’s a very talented player and no one has ever called him soft either, he’s a very tough player. On paper, he would be exactly what you’d want on a team. He’s not a selfish player, I would never say that about him. He defends, boy does he defend. He gets at it. He makes good decisions on the offensive end of the floor. I don’t know him well enough to know, is it real or is it bravado—this whole idea that I’m going to take everyone on.

“I can tell you, having spent a couple of days in Philadelphia, they don’t love it.”

Between that and his injury it becomes harder to imagine him signing there. Giving up Roco and Saric for 6 months of Butler would be pretty tough to swallow for philly.

I think it will come down to how they do in the playoff.  Of course, someone better might become available in free agency.  However they really can use Butler's defense and his ability to create shots.  Klay Thompson is talked about as being a perfect fit but he's not a shot creator.  Sixer's need another go to guy in crunch time besides Embiid and Simmons isn't it unless he improves his shooting.  There is a lot of negativity around Butler but he's got a great work ethic.  Working himself up from a 30th pick fringe NBA player is impressive. 

In the 2nd quote, who is they?  Philly fans?  People in the Philly organization?  His teammates seem to get along with him.   

Roco was a significant loss.  If they could have included Fultz instead of him, it would have been a much better trade.  Losing Saric wasn't that big of a loss.   

Tazz I didn't see any further comments from Jac on this https://lebronwire.usatoday.com/2019/01/24/jimmy-butler-is-reportedly-on-thin-ice-with-76ers/

But there is a full podcast it is from with Lowe so maybe she says something else. I think for the second quote it is referring to either the front office or players (it wouldn't make any sense for Jac to try to suggest how the fans feel as an insider). If I had to guess I think that Embid is not thrilled with Butler. I will be the first to admit this is just my personal theory and could very well be completely false, but things I think about with Embid
1) He bristled in the past about the idea of adding a third star saying the 76ers had everything they need or something close to that (prior to adding butler)
2) He complained about touches/role twice since Butler arrived and I really don't remember him doing that at all last year (he has complained about how they have handled his injuries and playing time, but I don't believe role)
3) He is really close and love Brown, hard to imagine that he was not bothered by Butler yelling at Brown in front of him
4) he wants to be mvp, all defensive etc, i get the sense he is not in love with sharing the spotlight with a guy that gets as much attention/noise as Butler does right now

You add in that Embid has a much sillier and goofier side than butler (although very serious with his work ethic) and it would not surprise me if Embid doesn't like having Butler around.

I saw that podcast yesterday and plan to listen to it plus the one he did with Jeannie Buss. 
I don't think Jackie Mac has any particular insight into the Sixers.  There are plenty of others like Bodner, Pompei that are better tied into the Sixers organization. 

I really don't see Embiid that way.  He's got a good work ethic and a strong drive for personal and team success and I think he sees those as being intertwined.  He hates losing.  He's emotional and speaks off the cuff.  I don't think you can take what he says at face value.  He's said he hates shooting 3s but he clearly doesn't hate shooting 3s.  He hates missing 3s and he probably prefers to establish his presence inside early in games rather than starting out on the perimeter. 

As usual, I think the media really made the Butler film session incident much bigger than what it was.  Coach Brown clearly wasn't disturbed or concerned about it.  It was an open film session where players were free to speak up.  It sounds like the other players rarely did so but that's not Jimmy Butler's style.  I even heard it suggested on a podcast that Butler was speaking up for other player's views too.  Personally, I think players constructively questioning a coach's offensive and defensive schemes is a good thing. 

I really don't think Embiid minds sharing the spotlight but if he does Simmons gets much more attention/noise than Butler.  I think Embiid would more likely have an issue with Simmons questionable work ethic and unwillingness to shoot jumpers.  Bodner did say recently that Embiid is the most import person in the Sixers organization.  I assume he was excluding the owners.     Bill Simmons made a comment during the playoffs last season about being in the stands and being surprised by how much Sixers fans love Embiid.  I suspect that if there is an issue in the future it will be Simmons chaffing under Embiid's shadow but he still has his own large spotlight.

I know people said they could see that happening with Embid and Simmons.  I think it is more possible that Embiid would get sick of Simmons play style if he doesn't develop or start taking jumpers at all, but aside from that I think they have a bond from going through the process, both being injured and missing their first seasons and both being about the same age (I know they have different personalities). I also have not heard any talk of Simmons being abrasive to anyone, if anything, he is too cool for school and can come off like he doesn't care. Butler probably has the reputation of the most abrasive person on any team in the league right now. Also I don't think Jac makes up stuff (unless she is filling air time on around the horn or something) i am sure somebody actually told her something close to that for her to say it Lowe. i don't really view her as a sherrod blakely type.

I mentioned Simmons questionable work ethic and unwillingness to shoot jumpers as a potential issue.  Maybe I should have said questionable drive to be great.  He's coasted on his talents so far.  After coming up small against us in the playoffs, what was Simmons doing during the offseason?  How the heck can he have regressed on his jump shooting?  There are plenty of lousy shooters that still chuck up 3s but Simmons won't even taken the open mid-range jump shots.  Is ego to fragile to deal with the scrutiny of his misses?  He's sounded annoyed when people have suggested he change to shoot with his right hand.  He faced the hack-a-Shaq treatment last season and yet there is no visible progress on his free throw shooting.   

[celticsclay]

Jackie Mac says he is already on thin ice to boot, here are her comments:

“I think he’s on thin ice, Zach,” MacMullan said of Butler. “I think he’s on thin ice. And I think he’s a very talented player and no one has ever called him soft either, he’s a very tough player. On paper, he would be exactly what you’d want on a team. He’s not a selfish player, I would never say that about him. He defends, boy does he defend. He gets at it. He makes good decisions on the offensive end of the floor. I don’t know him well enough to know, is it real or is it bravado—this whole idea that I’m going to take everyone on.

“I can tell you, having spent a couple of days in Philadelphia, they don’t love it.”

Between that and his injury it becomes harder to imagine him signing there. Giving up Roco and Saric for 6 months of Butler would be pretty tough to swallow for philly.

I think it will come down to how they do in the playoff.  Of course, someone better might become available in free agency.  However they really can use Butler's defense and his ability to create shots.  Klay Thompson is talked about as being a perfect fit but he's not a shot creator.  Sixer's need another go to guy in crunch time besides Embiid and Simmons isn't it unless he improves his shooting.  There is a lot of negativity around Butler but he's got a great work ethic.  Working himself up from a 30th pick fringe NBA player is impressive. 

In the 2nd quote, who is they?  Philly fans?  People in the Philly organization?  His teammates seem to get along with him.   

Roco was a significant loss.  If they could have included Fultz instead of him, it would have been a much better trade.  Losing Saric wasn't that big of a loss.   

Tazz I didn't see any further comments from Jac on this https://lebronwire.usatoday.com/2019/01/24/jimmy-butler-is-reportedly-on-thin-ice-with-76ers/

But there is a full podcast it is from with Lowe so maybe she says something else. I think for the second quote it is referring to either the front office or players (it wouldn't make any sense for Jac to try to suggest how the fans feel as an insider). If I had to guess I think that Embid is not thrilled with Butler. I will be the first to admit this is just my personal theory and could very well be completely false, but things I think about with Embid
1) He bristled in the past about the idea of adding a third star saying the 76ers had everything they need or something close to that (prior to adding butler)
2) He complained about touches/role twice since Butler arrived and I really don't remember him doing that at all last year (he has complained about how they have handled his injuries and playing time, but I don't believe role)
3) He is really close and love Brown, hard to imagine that he was not bothered by Butler yelling at Brown in front of him
4) he wants to be mvp, all defensive etc, i get the sense he is not in love with sharing the spotlight with a guy that gets as much attention/noise as Butler does right now

You add in that Embid has a much sillier and goofier side than butler (although very serious with his work ethic) and it would not surprise me if Embid doesn't like having Butler around.

I saw that podcast yesterday and plan to listen to it plus the one he did with Jeannie Buss. 
I don't think Jackie Mac has any particular insight into the Sixers.  There are plenty of others like Bodner, Pompei that are better tied into the Sixers organization. 

I really don't see Embiid that way.  He's got a good work ethic and a strong drive for personal and team success and I think he sees those as being intertwined.  He hates losing.  He's emotional and speaks off the cuff.  I don't think you can take what he says at face value.  He's said he hates shooting 3s but he clearly doesn't hate shooting 3s.  He hates missing 3s and he probably prefers to establish his presence inside early in games rather than starting out on the perimeter. 

As usual, I think the media really made the Butler film session incident much bigger than what it was.  Coach Brown clearly wasn't disturbed or concerned about it.  It was an open film session where players were free to speak up.  It sounds like the other players rarely did so but that's not Jimmy Butler's style.  I even heard it suggested on a podcast that Butler was speaking up for other player's views too.  Personally, I think players constructively questioning a coach's offensive and defensive schemes is a good thing. 

I really don't think Embiid minds sharing the spotlight but if he does Simmons gets much more attention/noise than Butler.  I think Embiid would more likely have an issue with Simmons questionable work ethic and unwillingness to shoot jumpers.  Bodner did say recently that Embiid is the most import person in the Sixers organization.  I assume he was excluding the owners.     Bill Simmons made a comment during the playoffs last season about being in the stands and being surprised by how much Sixers fans love Embiid.  I suspect that if there is an issue in the future it will be Simmons chaffing under Embiid's shadow but he still has his own large spotlight.

I know people said they could see that happening with Embid and Simmons.  I think it is more possible that Embiid would get sick of Simmons play style if he doesn't develop or start taking jumpers at all, but aside from that I think they have a bond from going through the process, both being injured and missing their first seasons and both being about the same age (I know they have different personalities). I also have not heard any talk of Simmons being abrasive to anyone, if anything, he is too cool for school and can come off like he doesn't care. Butler probably has the reputation of the most abrasive person on any team in the league right now. Also I don't think Jac makes up stuff (unless she is filling air time on around the horn or something) i am sure somebody actually told her something close to that for her to say it Lowe. i don't really view her as a sherrod blakely type.

I mentioned Simmons questionable work ethic and unwillingness to shoot jumpers as a potential issue.  Maybe I should have said questionable drive to be great.  He's coasted on his talents so far.  After coming up small against us in the playoffs, what was Simmons doing during the offseason?  How the heck can he have regressed on his jump shooting?  There are plenty of lousy shooters that still chuck up 3s but Simmons won't even taken the open mid-range jump shots.  Is ego to fragile to deal with the scrutiny of his misses?  He's sounded annoyed when people have suggested he change to shoot with his right hand.  He faced the hack-a-Shaq treatment last season and yet there is no visible progress on his free throw shooting.

This is a good and fair post that is not overly pro 76ers. I agree with you and give you a go for the post

[trickybilly]

I hate Ben Simmons, I hate this whole thread, I hate Brett Brown.

But the 76ers ran some stuff today against the Lakers which looks like art.

Watch the highlights for some seriously nice stuff.

[Moranis]

Big win by the Sixers at the Warriors last night.  Klay was out so not quite a full strength Warriors team, but still an impressive victory for the Sixers.

[tazzmaniac]

Big win by the Sixers at the Warriors last night.  Klay was out so not quite a full strength Warriors team, but still an impressive victory for the Sixers.

And Simmons led the way on a night Embiid was productive but inefficient and Butler wasn't scoring. 

[celticsclay]

So good news. We are now tied for third with Philly. After a really impressive win over golden state, lost against Sacramento last night. Next two games are against leading teams in the conference. Would love to see us get a little separation cause I think they are going to improve after trade deadline with buyouts

[tazzmaniac]

So good news. We are now tied for third with Philly. After a really impressive win over golden state, lost against Sacramento last night. Next two games are against leading teams in the conference. Would love to see us get a little separation cause I think they are going to improve after trade deadline with buyouts

If the AD to Lakers deal gets done, I think the top buyout candidates will gravitate to the Lakers. 

I'll be interested to see if the Sixers make a trade before the deadline.  That victory over GSW may fool them into thinking they are closer than they actually are and giving up assets for minor deals.  There's been talk of giving up a 1st for Mirotic or Prince/Dedmon.  Those would be bad moves in my opinion.  I'd be pressing the Pels hard on Jrue Holiday.  He'd be a great fit for them regardless of whether Butler stays or leaves. 

[celticsclay]

76ers now down to 5th after getting blown out on their home floor by the raptors. Simmons has 6 more turnovers giving him 27 against the  raptors defense this year. I have to think they will make a small move before the deadline. There has been a bit of chatter about Dedmon for fultz

[jpotter33]

76ers now down to 5th after getting blown out on their home floor by the raptors. Simmons has 6 more turnovers giving him 27 against the  raptors defense this year. I have to think they will make a small move before the deadline. There has been a bit of chatter about Dedmon for fultz

Holy hell, what a fall from grace that would be!

[Big333223]

Harris is a nice piece for them and should slide into their starting lineup easily.

On the other hand, Ryan Bernardoni tweeted a pretty interesting question:

This is going to sound disrespectful but its really not:

Is Tobias Harris, when you make him a 4th option, meaningfully different than Marucs Morris as a 4th option?

[Moranis]

76ers now down to 5th after getting blown out on their home floor by the raptors. Simmons has 6 more turnovers giving him 27 against the  raptors defense this year. I have to think they will make a small move before the deadline. There has been a bit of chatter about Dedmon for fultz

Simmons was only -3 in the game though, which was the best among the starters.  Embiid despite having a monster game actually had the worst +- among their starters. 

I will be stunned if they move Fultz for Dedmon.  That seems like a terrible trade for the Sixers (and I actually like Dedmon). 

[Moranis]

Harris is a nice piece for them and should slide into their starting lineup easily.

On the other hand, Ryan Bernardoni tweeted a pretty interesting question:

This is going to sound disrespectful but its really not:

Is Tobias Harris, when you make him a 4th option, meaningfully different than Marucs Morris as a 4th option?

yes he is.

[Big333223]

Harris is a nice piece for them and should slide into their starting lineup easily.

On the other hand, Ryan Bernardoni tweeted a pretty interesting question:

This is going to sound disrespectful but its really not:

Is Tobias Harris, when you make him a 4th option, meaningfully different than Marucs Morris as a 4th option?

yes he is.

How so? As the 4th option, he's not going to have the room to do the things that make him a better player.

[footey]

Harris is very good 3 point shooter, something they desperately were missing beyond Reddick. Creates more space for Simmons and Embiid.