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Re: All Things Philadelphia 76ers (merged Sixers threads)
« Reply #1740 on: January 14, 2019, 11:03:27 AM »

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20 points, 22 rebounds, 9 assists from Simmons today against the Knicks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZX9W7wzQEc

He even hit a fadeaway from midrange (1:31 of the video).

I know most of you guys believe he's overrated, but meh, I don't care. :P Simmons, Giannis, Jokic and Luka are my favorite non-Celtics to watch right now.

Btw, there's speculation (although not from credible sources) that the Sixers might make Simmons available in a package for AD. If I were the Pels, I'd take Simmons + 2021 Miami unprotected first + more pick(s) over Tatum + pick(s) or whatever the Lakers may offer.

But then again, I'm really high on Simmons. At the end of the day, Simmons is a polarizing player. Either you love him or you consider him overrated. Perhaps the Pels GM considers him overrated.

Looks like some guys on Liberty Ballers are right. Simmons sucks against good teams and has great stats against bad teams that's why to some he is great.

Yea he really posts fat stat lines against lousy teams. Wake me up when he has a good game against bucks, Celtics, raptors, warrrior etc and the 76ers winZ I will legit be impressed at that point
You mean like the 26/12/8 on 11 of 13 shooting he had against Toronto in his most recent game against the Raptors.
Or that playoff game against us when he scored a whole point. That is a good example as well.
I prefer the 19/13/5 he also had against the Celtics in a playoff game the Sixers won which was in fact after the game you speak of.  Random games happen.  Tatum had a 4 point playoff game last year and he has already had two 4 point games this year.  One of those 4 point games also triggered a 4 game stretch of over 31 mpg in which he scored 31 total points. 

Young players are inconsistent by nature.  They have their ups and they have their downs, but clay specifically asked about a good game against a good team, in which the Sixers won and Simmons played well.  That was the game I used (it was their game just before the Christmas day game against Boston - and those are their 2 most recent games against the teams Clay mentioned).
We all know, specifically, how that series went down.
We won it as we exploited his critical weakness.
Being unable to shoot from more than 10 feet is not inconsistency, it is a disability.
Disability of such magnitude that it looks like it can never be improved on.
Dedmon is Mark Price compared to him.
Center (5's) are often the least capable shooters compared to other positions if Simmons played the 8 and he'd still be below average shooter for his position.
Sure we know that Boston was the better team and everyone loves to point out that 1 point effort from Simmons (which no question was an awful game), but there were 4 other games in that series and this is what Simmons did in those.

18/7/6 54.5%
16/8/8 57.1%
19/13/5 40.0% (this is the win)
18/8/6 53.3%

It wasn't like Simmons laid eggs all series long and Simmons pretty much dominated Miami in the 5 game series before that.  Boston is a bad match-up for him and has been both seasons, but he does just fine against many of the better teams in the league.  He is 6'11".  If they just called him a PF no one would be complaining about his shooting, but because they call him a PG it is apparently a problem, and that just seems strange to me.
Another demagogism, the PG - PF nonsense.
However, whatever nomenclature you use he will still be unwilling and unable to shoot them.
Even if you only take 4's in consideration.

Ben is a good player, NBA starter with a unique skillset. Often fun to watch. But his ceiling/playoff success is determined by his long-range shooting.
That might be true even for Giannis who is next MVP and leagues above Simmons skillwise as an overall player and who also has the length and hands that you can never teach Simmons.
Why does he need to take bad shots?  Emmette posted this ringer article a page or so ago in this thread, and I think it has the right sentiment regarding Simmons and his shooting.

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2019/1/7/18171797/philadelphia-76ers-ben-simmons-jumper
When did the basketball became a game where lack of skills is beneficial for teams success?

Would Colombo do better if he had a rowing boat instead of sails?
Would Einstein be smarter if he had lesser IQ and education?

This article sounds like writer is searching for inner solace regarding his precious no 1. overall picks future.
When did taking bad shots become a good thing?  Simmons has the same TS% as Irving. 

Re: All Things Philadelphia 76ers (merged Sixers threads)
« Reply #1741 on: January 14, 2019, 11:07:18 AM »

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20 points, 22 rebounds, 9 assists from Simmons today against the Knicks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZX9W7wzQEc

He even hit a fadeaway from midrange (1:31 of the video).

I know most of you guys believe he's overrated, but meh, I don't care. :P Simmons, Giannis, Jokic and Luka are my favorite non-Celtics to watch right now.

Btw, there's speculation (although not from credible sources) that the Sixers might make Simmons available in a package for AD. If I were the Pels, I'd take Simmons + 2021 Miami unprotected first + more pick(s) over Tatum + pick(s) or whatever the Lakers may offer.

But then again, I'm really high on Simmons. At the end of the day, Simmons is a polarizing player. Either you love him or you consider him overrated. Perhaps the Pels GM considers him overrated.

Looks like some guys on Liberty Ballers are right. Simmons sucks against good teams and has great stats against bad teams that's why to some he is great.

Yea he really posts fat stat lines against lousy teams. Wake me up when he has a good game against bucks, Celtics, raptors, warrrior etc and the 76ers winZ I will legit be impressed at that point
You mean like the 26/12/8 on 11 of 13 shooting he had against Toronto in his most recent game against the Raptors.
Or that playoff game against us when he scored a whole point. That is a good example as well.
I prefer the 19/13/5 he also had against the Celtics in a playoff game the Sixers won which was in fact after the game you speak of.  Random games happen.  Tatum had a 4 point playoff game last year and he has already had two 4 point games this year.  One of those 4 point games also triggered a 4 game stretch of over 31 mpg in which he scored 31 total points. 

Young players are inconsistent by nature.  They have their ups and they have their downs, but clay specifically asked about a good game against a good team, in which the Sixers won and Simmons played well.  That was the game I used (it was their game just before the Christmas day game against Boston - and those are their 2 most recent games against the teams Clay mentioned).
We all know, specifically, how that series went down.
We won it as we exploited his critical weakness.
Being unable to shoot from more than 10 feet is not inconsistency, it is a disability.
Disability of such magnitude that it looks like it can never be improved on.
Dedmon is Mark Price compared to him.
Center (5's) are often the least capable shooters compared to other positions if Simmons played the 8 and he'd still be below average shooter for his position.
Sure we know that Boston was the better team and everyone loves to point out that 1 point effort from Simmons (which no question was an awful game), but there were 4 other games in that series and this is what Simmons did in those.

18/7/6 54.5%
16/8/8 57.1%
19/13/5 40.0% (this is the win)
18/8/6 53.3%

It wasn't like Simmons laid eggs all series long and Simmons pretty much dominated Miami in the 5 game series before that.  Boston is a bad match-up for him and has been both seasons, but he does just fine against many of the better teams in the league.  He is 6'11".  If they just called him a PF no one would be complaining about his shooting, but because they call him a PG it is apparently a problem, and that just seems strange to me.
Another demagogism, the PG - PF nonsense.
However, whatever nomenclature you use he will still be unwilling and unable to shoot them.
Even if you only take 4's in consideration.

Ben is a good player, NBA starter with a unique skillset. Often fun to watch. But his ceiling/playoff success is determined by his long-range shooting.
That might be true even for Giannis who is next MVP and leagues above Simmons skillwise as an overall player and who also has the length and hands that you can never teach Simmons.
Why does he need to take bad shots?  Emmette posted this ringer article a page or so ago in this thread, and I think it has the right sentiment regarding Simmons and his shooting.

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2019/1/7/18171797/philadelphia-76ers-ben-simmons-jumper
When did the basketball became a game where lack of skills is beneficial for teams success?

Would Colombo do better if he had a rowing boat instead of sails?
Would Einstein be smarter if he had lesser IQ and education?

This article sounds like writer is searching for inner solace regarding his precious no 1. overall picks future.
When did taking bad shots become a good thing?  Simmons has the same TS% as Irving.
3pt shoots are not bad shots, they will just be bad once Simmons will decide to shoot them.
As for the TS% comparison, I would recommend you to explore the concept of spacing. Something that is very mainstream in today's pace and space era.
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Re: All Things Philadelphia 76ers (merged Sixers threads)
« Reply #1742 on: January 14, 2019, 11:35:26 AM »

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20 points, 22 rebounds, 9 assists from Simmons today against the Knicks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZX9W7wzQEc

He even hit a fadeaway from midrange (1:31 of the video).

I know most of you guys believe he's overrated, but meh, I don't care. :P Simmons, Giannis, Jokic and Luka are my favorite non-Celtics to watch right now.

Btw, there's speculation (although not from credible sources) that the Sixers might make Simmons available in a package for AD. If I were the Pels, I'd take Simmons + 2021 Miami unprotected first + more pick(s) over Tatum + pick(s) or whatever the Lakers may offer.

But then again, I'm really high on Simmons. At the end of the day, Simmons is a polarizing player. Either you love him or you consider him overrated. Perhaps the Pels GM considers him overrated.

Looks like some guys on Liberty Ballers are right. Simmons sucks against good teams and has great stats against bad teams that's why to some he is great.

Yea he really posts fat stat lines against lousy teams. Wake me up when he has a good game against bucks, Celtics, raptors, warrrior etc and the 76ers winZ I will legit be impressed at that point
You mean like the 26/12/8 on 11 of 13 shooting he had against Toronto in his most recent game against the Raptors.
Or that playoff game against us when he scored a whole point. That is a good example as well.
I prefer the 19/13/5 he also had against the Celtics in a playoff game the Sixers won which was in fact after the game you speak of.  Random games happen.  Tatum had a 4 point playoff game last year and he has already had two 4 point games this year.  One of those 4 point games also triggered a 4 game stretch of over 31 mpg in which he scored 31 total points. 

Young players are inconsistent by nature.  They have their ups and they have their downs, but clay specifically asked about a good game against a good team, in which the Sixers won and Simmons played well.  That was the game I used (it was their game just before the Christmas day game against Boston - and those are their 2 most recent games against the teams Clay mentioned).
We all know, specifically, how that series went down.
We won it as we exploited his critical weakness.
Being unable to shoot from more than 10 feet is not inconsistency, it is a disability.
Disability of such magnitude that it looks like it can never be improved on.
Dedmon is Mark Price compared to him.
Center (5's) are often the least capable shooters compared to other positions if Simmons played the 8 and he'd still be below average shooter for his position.
Sure we know that Boston was the better team and everyone loves to point out that 1 point effort from Simmons (which no question was an awful game), but there were 4 other games in that series and this is what Simmons did in those.

18/7/6 54.5%
16/8/8 57.1%
19/13/5 40.0% (this is the win)
18/8/6 53.3%

It wasn't like Simmons laid eggs all series long and Simmons pretty much dominated Miami in the 5 game series before that.  Boston is a bad match-up for him and has been both seasons, but he does just fine against many of the better teams in the league.  He is 6'11".  If they just called him a PF no one would be complaining about his shooting, but because they call him a PG it is apparently a problem, and that just seems strange to me.
Another demagogism, the PG - PF nonsense.
However, whatever nomenclature you use he will still be unwilling and unable to shoot them.
Even if you only take 4's in consideration.

Ben is a good player, NBA starter with a unique skillset. Often fun to watch. But his ceiling/playoff success is determined by his long-range shooting.
That might be true even for Giannis who is next MVP and leagues above Simmons skillwise as an overall player and who also has the length and hands that you can never teach Simmons.
Why does he need to take bad shots?  Emmette posted this ringer article a page or so ago in this thread, and I think it has the right sentiment regarding Simmons and his shooting.

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2019/1/7/18171797/philadelphia-76ers-ben-simmons-jumper
When did the basketball became a game where lack of skills is beneficial for teams success?

Would Colombo do better if he had a rowing boat instead of sails?
Would Einstein be smarter if he had lesser IQ and education?

This article sounds like writer is searching for inner solace regarding his precious no 1. overall picks future.
You're ignoring all the top notch skills Simmons has and overemphasizing the one skill that he doesn't have.   Shooting is a very important skill but it doesn't trump everything else.  I was about to say that Simmons is already a top player in the league but won't become an MVP candidate without improving his shooting but Giannis is doing it.  Simmons is averaging 16.6pts/9.4reb/8.2ast in his 2nd season.  That's not too far off from 20/10/10. 

Re: All Things Philadelphia 76ers (merged Sixers threads)
« Reply #1743 on: January 14, 2019, 11:49:26 AM »

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20 points, 22 rebounds, 9 assists from Simmons today against the Knicks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZX9W7wzQEc

He even hit a fadeaway from midrange (1:31 of the video).

I know most of you guys believe he's overrated, but meh, I don't care. :P Simmons, Giannis, Jokic and Luka are my favorite non-Celtics to watch right now.

Btw, there's speculation (although not from credible sources) that the Sixers might make Simmons available in a package for AD. If I were the Pels, I'd take Simmons + 2021 Miami unprotected first + more pick(s) over Tatum + pick(s) or whatever the Lakers may offer.

But then again, I'm really high on Simmons. At the end of the day, Simmons is a polarizing player. Either you love him or you consider him overrated. Perhaps the Pels GM considers him overrated.

Looks like some guys on Liberty Ballers are right. Simmons sucks against good teams and has great stats against bad teams that's why to some he is great.

Yea he really posts fat stat lines against lousy teams. Wake me up when he has a good game against bucks, Celtics, raptors, warrrior etc and the 76ers winZ I will legit be impressed at that point
You mean like the 26/12/8 on 11 of 13 shooting he had against Toronto in his most recent game against the Raptors.
Or that playoff game against us when he scored a whole point. That is a good example as well.
I prefer the 19/13/5 he also had against the Celtics in a playoff game the Sixers won which was in fact after the game you speak of.  Random games happen.  Tatum had a 4 point playoff game last year and he has already had two 4 point games this year.  One of those 4 point games also triggered a 4 game stretch of over 31 mpg in which he scored 31 total points. 

Young players are inconsistent by nature.  They have their ups and they have their downs, but clay specifically asked about a good game against a good team, in which the Sixers won and Simmons played well.  That was the game I used (it was their game just before the Christmas day game against Boston - and those are their 2 most recent games against the teams Clay mentioned).
We all know, specifically, how that series went down.
We won it as we exploited his critical weakness.
Being unable to shoot from more than 10 feet is not inconsistency, it is a disability.
Disability of such magnitude that it looks like it can never be improved on.
Dedmon is Mark Price compared to him.
Center (5's) are often the least capable shooters compared to other positions if Simmons played the 8 and he'd still be below average shooter for his position.
Sure we know that Boston was the better team and everyone loves to point out that 1 point effort from Simmons (which no question was an awful game), but there were 4 other games in that series and this is what Simmons did in those.

18/7/6 54.5%
16/8/8 57.1%
19/13/5 40.0% (this is the win)
18/8/6 53.3%

It wasn't like Simmons laid eggs all series long and Simmons pretty much dominated Miami in the 5 game series before that.  Boston is a bad match-up for him and has been both seasons, but he does just fine against many of the better teams in the league.  He is 6'11".  If they just called him a PF no one would be complaining about his shooting, but because they call him a PG it is apparently a problem, and that just seems strange to me.
Another demagogism, the PG - PF nonsense.
However, whatever nomenclature you use he will still be unwilling and unable to shoot them.
Even if you only take 4's in consideration.

Ben is a good player, NBA starter with a unique skillset. Often fun to watch. But his ceiling/playoff success is determined by his long-range shooting.
That might be true even for Giannis who is next MVP and leagues above Simmons skillwise as an overall player and who also has the length and hands that you can never teach Simmons.
Why does he need to take bad shots?  Emmette posted this ringer article a page or so ago in this thread, and I think it has the right sentiment regarding Simmons and his shooting.

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2019/1/7/18171797/philadelphia-76ers-ben-simmons-jumper
When did the basketball became a game where lack of skills is beneficial for teams success?

Would Colombo do better if he had a rowing boat instead of sails?
Would Einstein be smarter if he had lesser IQ and education?

This article sounds like writer is searching for inner solace regarding his precious no 1. overall picks future.
When did taking bad shots become a good thing?  Simmons has the same TS% as Irving.
3pt shoots are not bad shots, they will just be bad once Simmons will decide to shoot them.
As for the TS% comparison, I would recommend you to explore the concept of spacing. Something that is very mainstream in today's pace and space era.
3pt shooting has become way overemphasized.  Spacing doesn't require everyone on the court to be good 3pt shooters. 

Re: All Things Philadelphia 76ers (merged Sixers threads)
« Reply #1744 on: January 14, 2019, 12:29:10 PM »

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20 points, 22 rebounds, 9 assists from Simmons today against the Knicks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZX9W7wzQEc

He even hit a fadeaway from midrange (1:31 of the video).

I know most of you guys believe he's overrated, but meh, I don't care. :P Simmons, Giannis, Jokic and Luka are my favorite non-Celtics to watch right now.

Btw, there's speculation (although not from credible sources) that the Sixers might make Simmons available in a package for AD. If I were the Pels, I'd take Simmons + 2021 Miami unprotected first + more pick(s) over Tatum + pick(s) or whatever the Lakers may offer.

But then again, I'm really high on Simmons. At the end of the day, Simmons is a polarizing player. Either you love him or you consider him overrated. Perhaps the Pels GM considers him overrated.

Looks like some guys on Liberty Ballers are right. Simmons sucks against good teams and has great stats against bad teams that's why to some he is great.

Yea he really posts fat stat lines against lousy teams. Wake me up when he has a good game against bucks, Celtics, raptors, warrrior etc and the 76ers winZ I will legit be impressed at that point
You mean like the 26/12/8 on 11 of 13 shooting he had against Toronto in his most recent game against the Raptors.

You realize Leonard didn't play that game right? Toronto without Leonard is guess what? A bad team. They actually started Monroe that game. I expect better from you.

Re: All Things Philadelphia 76ers (merged Sixers threads)
« Reply #1745 on: January 14, 2019, 12:34:20 PM »

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20 points, 22 rebounds, 9 assists from Simmons today against the Knicks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZX9W7wzQEc

He even hit a fadeaway from midrange (1:31 of the video).

I know most of you guys believe he's overrated, but meh, I don't care. :P Simmons, Giannis, Jokic and Luka are my favorite non-Celtics to watch right now.

Btw, there's speculation (although not from credible sources) that the Sixers might make Simmons available in a package for AD. If I were the Pels, I'd take Simmons + 2021 Miami unprotected first + more pick(s) over Tatum + pick(s) or whatever the Lakers may offer.

But then again, I'm really high on Simmons. At the end of the day, Simmons is a polarizing player. Either you love him or you consider him overrated. Perhaps the Pels GM considers him overrated.

Looks like some guys on Liberty Ballers are right. Simmons sucks against good teams and has great stats against bad teams that's why to some he is great.

Yea he really posts fat stat lines against lousy teams. Wake me up when he has a good game against bucks, Celtics, raptors, warrrior etc and the 76ers winZ I will legit be impressed at that point
You mean like the 26/12/8 on 11 of 13 shooting he had against Toronto in his most recent game against the Raptors.

You realize Leonard didn't play that game right? Toronto without Leonard is guess what? A bad team.
They are 8-2 without Leonard this year and just beat Indiana by 16 without him.  The 2 games before Philly in which Leonard didn't play were back to back road victories by 20 or more points against the Clippers and then Warriors.  Early in the year, they also won back to back road games against the Lakers and Jazz by 14 and 13 respectively, again without Leonard. 

Perhaps you might want to reevaluate your position on the Raptors without Leonard.

Re: All Things Philadelphia 76ers (merged Sixers threads)
« Reply #1746 on: January 14, 2019, 01:07:31 PM »

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20 points, 22 rebounds, 9 assists from Simmons today against the Knicks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZX9W7wzQEc

He even hit a fadeaway from midrange (1:31 of the video).

I know most of you guys believe he's overrated, but meh, I don't care. :P Simmons, Giannis, Jokic and Luka are my favorite non-Celtics to watch right now.

Btw, there's speculation (although not from credible sources) that the Sixers might make Simmons available in a package for AD. If I were the Pels, I'd take Simmons + 2021 Miami unprotected first + more pick(s) over Tatum + pick(s) or whatever the Lakers may offer.

But then again, I'm really high on Simmons. At the end of the day, Simmons is a polarizing player. Either you love him or you consider him overrated. Perhaps the Pels GM considers him overrated.

Looks like some guys on Liberty Ballers are right. Simmons sucks against good teams and has great stats against bad teams that's why to some he is great.

Yea he really posts fat stat lines against lousy teams. Wake me up when he has a good game against bucks, Celtics, raptors, warrrior etc and the 76ers winZ I will legit be impressed at that point
You mean like the 26/12/8 on 11 of 13 shooting he had against Toronto in his most recent game against the Raptors.

You realize Leonard didn't play that game right? Toronto without Leonard is guess what? A bad team.
They are 8-2 without Leonard this year and just beat Indiana by 16 without him.  The 2 games before Philly in which Leonard didn't play were back to back road victories by 20 or more points against the Clippers and then Warriors.  Early in the year, they also won back to back road games against the Lakers and Jazz by 14 and 13 respectively, again without Leonard. 

Perhaps you might want to reevaluate your position on the Raptors without Leonard.
Exactly right.  They also have a +1.3 team +/- without Leonard on the court.  The Raptors without Kawhi are still the 5th best team in the East. 

Re: All Things Philadelphia 76ers (merged Sixers threads)
« Reply #1747 on: January 14, 2019, 01:14:13 PM »

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20 points, 22 rebounds, 9 assists from Simmons today against the Knicks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZX9W7wzQEc

He even hit a fadeaway from midrange (1:31 of the video).

I know most of you guys believe he's overrated, but meh, I don't care. :P Simmons, Giannis, Jokic and Luka are my favorite non-Celtics to watch right now.

Btw, there's speculation (although not from credible sources) that the Sixers might make Simmons available in a package for AD. If I were the Pels, I'd take Simmons + 2021 Miami unprotected first + more pick(s) over Tatum + pick(s) or whatever the Lakers may offer.

But then again, I'm really high on Simmons. At the end of the day, Simmons is a polarizing player. Either you love him or you consider him overrated. Perhaps the Pels GM considers him overrated.

Looks like some guys on Liberty Ballers are right. Simmons sucks against good teams and has great stats against bad teams that's why to some he is great.

Yea he really posts fat stat lines against lousy teams. Wake me up when he has a good game against bucks, Celtics, raptors, warrrior etc and the 76ers winZ I will legit be impressed at that point
You mean like the 26/12/8 on 11 of 13 shooting he had against Toronto in his most recent game against the Raptors.

You realize Leonard didn't play that game right? Toronto without Leonard is guess what? A bad team.
They are 8-2 without Leonard this year and just beat Indiana by 16 without him.  The 2 games before Philly in which Leonard didn't play were back to back road victories by 20 or more points against the Clippers and then Warriors.  Early in the year, they also won back to back road games against the Lakers and Jazz by 14 and 13 respectively, again without Leonard. 

Perhaps you might want to reevaluate your position on the Raptors without Leonard.

If you really think a team a raptors team missing leonard (and jonas) is a good team, i don't really know what to tell you. They have some nice wins without him for sure, but that is probably as much teams overlooking them once Leonard is out.

 I can also tell you that when Leonard did actually play Simmons had 8 points and 7 turnovers and only took 6 shots.

Re: All Things Philadelphia 76ers (merged Sixers threads)
« Reply #1748 on: January 14, 2019, 01:16:15 PM »

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20 points, 22 rebounds, 9 assists from Simmons today against the Knicks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZX9W7wzQEc

He even hit a fadeaway from midrange (1:31 of the video).

I know most of you guys believe he's overrated, but meh, I don't care. :P Simmons, Giannis, Jokic and Luka are my favorite non-Celtics to watch right now.

Btw, there's speculation (although not from credible sources) that the Sixers might make Simmons available in a package for AD. If I were the Pels, I'd take Simmons + 2021 Miami unprotected first + more pick(s) over Tatum + pick(s) or whatever the Lakers may offer.

But then again, I'm really high on Simmons. At the end of the day, Simmons is a polarizing player. Either you love him or you consider him overrated. Perhaps the Pels GM considers him overrated.

Looks like some guys on Liberty Ballers are right. Simmons sucks against good teams and has great stats against bad teams that's why to some he is great.

Yea he really posts fat stat lines against lousy teams. Wake me up when he has a good game against bucks, Celtics, raptors, warrrior etc and the 76ers winZ I will legit be impressed at that point
You mean like the 26/12/8 on 11 of 13 shooting he had against Toronto in his most recent game against the Raptors.

You realize Leonard didn't play that game right? Toronto without Leonard is guess what? A bad team.
They are 8-2 without Leonard this year and just beat Indiana by 16 without him.  The 2 games before Philly in which Leonard didn't play were back to back road victories by 20 or more points against the Clippers and then Warriors.  Early in the year, they also won back to back road games against the Lakers and Jazz by 14 and 13 respectively, again without Leonard. 

Perhaps you might want to reevaluate your position on the Raptors without Leonard.
Exactly right.  They also have a +1.3 team +/- without Leonard on the court.  The Raptors without Kawhi are still the 5th best team in the East.

Considering the 6th best team is miami or brooklyn that is pretty faint praise.

Re: All Things Philadelphia 76ers (merged Sixers threads)
« Reply #1749 on: January 14, 2019, 03:10:16 PM »

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20 points, 22 rebounds, 9 assists from Simmons today against the Knicks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZX9W7wzQEc

He even hit a fadeaway from midrange (1:31 of the video).

I know most of you guys believe he's overrated, but meh, I don't care. :P Simmons, Giannis, Jokic and Luka are my favorite non-Celtics to watch right now.

Btw, there's speculation (although not from credible sources) that the Sixers might make Simmons available in a package for AD. If I were the Pels, I'd take Simmons + 2021 Miami unprotected first + more pick(s) over Tatum + pick(s) or whatever the Lakers may offer.

But then again, I'm really high on Simmons. At the end of the day, Simmons is a polarizing player. Either you love him or you consider him overrated. Perhaps the Pels GM considers him overrated.

Looks like some guys on Liberty Ballers are right. Simmons sucks against good teams and has great stats against bad teams that's why to some he is great.

Yea he really posts fat stat lines against lousy teams. Wake me up when he has a good game against bucks, Celtics, raptors, warrrior etc and the 76ers winZ I will legit be impressed at that point
You mean like the 26/12/8 on 11 of 13 shooting he had against Toronto in his most recent game against the Raptors.

You realize Leonard didn't play that game right? Toronto without Leonard is guess what? A bad team.
They are 8-2 without Leonard this year and just beat Indiana by 16 without him.  The 2 games before Philly in which Leonard didn't play were back to back road victories by 20 or more points against the Clippers and then Warriors.  Early in the year, they also won back to back road games against the Lakers and Jazz by 14 and 13 respectively, again without Leonard. 

Perhaps you might want to reevaluate your position on the Raptors without Leonard.

If you really think a team a raptors team missing leonard (and jonas) is a good team, i don't really know what to tell you. They have some nice wins without him for sure, but that is probably as much teams overlooking them once Leonard is out.

 I can also tell you that when Leonard did actually play Simmons had 8 points and 7 turnovers and only took 6 shots
Simmons was also +1 in that game because he had 10 rebounds and 11 assists (and he made 4 of those 6 shots) and he was a monster defensively.  I mean Lowry was 2 of 8 for 7 points, 4 boards, and 4 assists and Danny Green was even worse (i.e. the starting backcourt of which Simmons was a key defensive component guarding).  Why ignore the good things Simmons does?  And of course, Leonard didn't guard Simmons, he was on Butler who ended with 38 points and 10 rebounds.  Embiid's 5 of 17 and -23 was the reason the Sixers lost that game.  Of course that doesn't fit your narrative, which is why you didn't bother to mention that.

Re: All Things Philadelphia 76ers (merged Sixers threads)
« Reply #1750 on: January 14, 2019, 04:02:55 PM »

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20 points, 22 rebounds, 9 assists from Simmons today against the Knicks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZX9W7wzQEc

He even hit a fadeaway from midrange (1:31 of the video).

I know most of you guys believe he's overrated, but meh, I don't care. :P Simmons, Giannis, Jokic and Luka are my favorite non-Celtics to watch right now.

Btw, there's speculation (although not from credible sources) that the Sixers might make Simmons available in a package for AD. If I were the Pels, I'd take Simmons + 2021 Miami unprotected first + more pick(s) over Tatum + pick(s) or whatever the Lakers may offer.

But then again, I'm really high on Simmons. At the end of the day, Simmons is a polarizing player. Either you love him or you consider him overrated. Perhaps the Pels GM considers him overrated.

Looks like some guys on Liberty Ballers are right. Simmons sucks against good teams and has great stats against bad teams that's why to some he is great.

Yea he really posts fat stat lines against lousy teams. Wake me up when he has a good game against bucks, Celtics, raptors, warrrior etc and the 76ers winZ I will legit be impressed at that point
You mean like the 26/12/8 on 11 of 13 shooting he had against Toronto in his most recent game against the Raptors.

You realize Leonard didn't play that game right? Toronto without Leonard is guess what? A bad team.
They are 8-2 without Leonard this year and just beat Indiana by 16 without him.  The 2 games before Philly in which Leonard didn't play were back to back road victories by 20 or more points against the Clippers and then Warriors.  Early in the year, they also won back to back road games against the Lakers and Jazz by 14 and 13 respectively, again without Leonard. 

Perhaps you might want to reevaluate your position on the Raptors without Leonard.

If you really think a team a raptors team missing leonard (and jonas) is a good team, i don't really know what to tell you. They have some nice wins without him for sure, but that is probably as much teams overlooking them once Leonard is out.

 I can also tell you that when Leonard did actually play Simmons had 8 points and 7 turnovers and only took 6 shots
Simmons was also +1 in that game because he had 10 rebounds and 11 assists (and he made 4 of those 6 shots) and he was a monster defensively.  I mean Lowry was 2 of 8 for 7 points, 4 boards, and 4 assists and Danny Green was even worse (i.e. the starting backcourt of which Simmons was a key defensive component guarding).  Why ignore the good things Simmons does?  And of course, Leonard didn't guard Simmons, he was on Butler who ended with 38 points and 10 rebounds.  Embiid's 5 of 17 and -23 was the reason the Sixers lost that game.  Of course that doesn't fit your narrative, which is why you didn't bother to mention that.

What exactly is my narrative? I have a belief that the elite teams in the east can neutralize some of simmons flaws. Many articles by third party sites have discussed this. It is not something I came up with on my own. He struggled against us in the playoffs last year. I think he is a very good player and has a chance to be really great. Not really sure what is so controversial about it. And if someone says they would like to see him put up a complete game against an elite team a few times in wins, is that controversial?



Re: All Things Philadelphia 76ers (merged Sixers threads)
« Reply #1751 on: January 14, 2019, 04:08:56 PM »

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20 points, 22 rebounds, 9 assists from Simmons today against the Knicks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZX9W7wzQEc

He even hit a fadeaway from midrange (1:31 of the video).

I know most of you guys believe he's overrated, but meh, I don't care. :P Simmons, Giannis, Jokic and Luka are my favorite non-Celtics to watch right now.

Btw, there's speculation (although not from credible sources) that the Sixers might make Simmons available in a package for AD. If I were the Pels, I'd take Simmons + 2021 Miami unprotected first + more pick(s) over Tatum + pick(s) or whatever the Lakers may offer.

But then again, I'm really high on Simmons. At the end of the day, Simmons is a polarizing player. Either you love him or you consider him overrated. Perhaps the Pels GM considers him overrated.

Looks like some guys on Liberty Ballers are right. Simmons sucks against good teams and has great stats against bad teams that's why to some he is great.

Yea he really posts fat stat lines against lousy teams. Wake me up when he has a good game against bucks, Celtics, raptors, warrrior etc and the 76ers winZ I will legit be impressed at that point
You mean like the 26/12/8 on 11 of 13 shooting he had against Toronto in his most recent game against the Raptors.

You realize Leonard didn't play that game right? Toronto without Leonard is guess what? A bad team.
They are 8-2 without Leonard this year and just beat Indiana by 16 without him.  The 2 games before Philly in which Leonard didn't play were back to back road victories by 20 or more points against the Clippers and then Warriors.  Early in the year, they also won back to back road games against the Lakers and Jazz by 14 and 13 respectively, again without Leonard. 

Perhaps you might want to reevaluate your position on the Raptors without Leonard.
Exactly right.  They also have a +1.3 team +/- without Leonard on the court.  The Raptors without Kawhi are still the 5th best team in the East.

Considering the 6th best team is miami or brooklyn that is pretty faint praise.
Neither of them are bad teams.  I was actually thinking that the Raptors without Leonard would have around 25 wins like we currently do.  I think they'd be competitive for 3rd best team. 

Re: All Things Philadelphia 76ers (merged Sixers threads)
« Reply #1752 on: January 14, 2019, 04:12:19 PM »

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20 points, 22 rebounds, 9 assists from Simmons today against the Knicks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZX9W7wzQEc

He even hit a fadeaway from midrange (1:31 of the video).

I know most of you guys believe he's overrated, but meh, I don't care. :P Simmons, Giannis, Jokic and Luka are my favorite non-Celtics to watch right now.

Btw, there's speculation (although not from credible sources) that the Sixers might make Simmons available in a package for AD. If I were the Pels, I'd take Simmons + 2021 Miami unprotected first + more pick(s) over Tatum + pick(s) or whatever the Lakers may offer.

But then again, I'm really high on Simmons. At the end of the day, Simmons is a polarizing player. Either you love him or you consider him overrated. Perhaps the Pels GM considers him overrated.

Looks like some guys on Liberty Ballers are right. Simmons sucks against good teams and has great stats against bad teams that's why to some he is great.

Yea he really posts fat stat lines against lousy teams. Wake me up when he has a good game against bucks, Celtics, raptors, warrrior etc and the 76ers winZ I will legit be impressed at that point
You mean like the 26/12/8 on 11 of 13 shooting he had against Toronto in his most recent game against the Raptors.

You realize Leonard didn't play that game right? Toronto without Leonard is guess what? A bad team.
They are 8-2 without Leonard this year and just beat Indiana by 16 without him.  The 2 games before Philly in which Leonard didn't play were back to back road victories by 20 or more points against the Clippers and then Warriors.  Early in the year, they also won back to back road games against the Lakers and Jazz by 14 and 13 respectively, again without Leonard. 

Perhaps you might want to reevaluate your position on the Raptors without Leonard.
Exactly right.  They also have a +1.3 team +/- without Leonard on the court.  The Raptors without Kawhi are still the 5th best team in the East.

Considering the 6th best team is miami or brooklyn that is pretty faint praise.
Neither of them are bad teams.  I was actually thinking that the Raptors without Leonard would have around 25 wins like we currently do.  I think they'd be competitive for 3rd best team.

You think a team with their best player being Lowry is that good? That is pretty shocking and i disagree. Unless Leonard gets a serious injury i guess we will never know.

Re: All Things Philadelphia 76ers (merged Sixers threads)
« Reply #1753 on: January 14, 2019, 04:36:48 PM »

Offline tazzmaniac

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20 points, 22 rebounds, 9 assists from Simmons today against the Knicks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZX9W7wzQEc

He even hit a fadeaway from midrange (1:31 of the video).

I know most of you guys believe he's overrated, but meh, I don't care. :P Simmons, Giannis, Jokic and Luka are my favorite non-Celtics to watch right now.

Btw, there's speculation (although not from credible sources) that the Sixers might make Simmons available in a package for AD. If I were the Pels, I'd take Simmons + 2021 Miami unprotected first + more pick(s) over Tatum + pick(s) or whatever the Lakers may offer.

But then again, I'm really high on Simmons. At the end of the day, Simmons is a polarizing player. Either you love him or you consider him overrated. Perhaps the Pels GM considers him overrated.

Looks like some guys on Liberty Ballers are right. Simmons sucks against good teams and has great stats against bad teams that's why to some he is great.

Yea he really posts fat stat lines against lousy teams. Wake me up when he has a good game against bucks, Celtics, raptors, warrrior etc and the 76ers winZ I will legit be impressed at that point
You mean like the 26/12/8 on 11 of 13 shooting he had against Toronto in his most recent game against the Raptors.

You realize Leonard didn't play that game right? Toronto without Leonard is guess what? A bad team.
They are 8-2 without Leonard this year and just beat Indiana by 16 without him.  The 2 games before Philly in which Leonard didn't play were back to back road victories by 20 or more points against the Clippers and then Warriors.  Early in the year, they also won back to back road games against the Lakers and Jazz by 14 and 13 respectively, again without Leonard. 

Perhaps you might want to reevaluate your position on the Raptors without Leonard.
Exactly right.  They also have a +1.3 team +/- without Leonard on the court.  The Raptors without Kawhi are still the 5th best team in the East.

Considering the 6th best team is miami or brooklyn that is pretty faint praise.
Neither of them are bad teams.  I was actually thinking that the Raptors without Leonard would have around 25 wins like we currently do.  I think they'd be competitive for 3rd best team.

You think a team with their best player being Lowry is that good? That is pretty shocking and i disagree. Unless Leonard gets a serious injury i guess we will never know.
I think they could be competitive with Indiana and the Sixers.  Indiana is Oladipo and some role players.  Sixers have top end talent but are hamstrung by their lack of depth. 

Re: All Things Philadelphia 76ers (merged Sixers threads)
« Reply #1754 on: January 14, 2019, 04:51:29 PM »

Offline tazzmaniac

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20 points, 22 rebounds, 9 assists from Simmons today against the Knicks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZX9W7wzQEc

He even hit a fadeaway from midrange (1:31 of the video).

I know most of you guys believe he's overrated, but meh, I don't care. :P Simmons, Giannis, Jokic and Luka are my favorite non-Celtics to watch right now.

Btw, there's speculation (although not from credible sources) that the Sixers might make Simmons available in a package for AD. If I were the Pels, I'd take Simmons + 2021 Miami unprotected first + more pick(s) over Tatum + pick(s) or whatever the Lakers may offer.

But then again, I'm really high on Simmons. At the end of the day, Simmons is a polarizing player. Either you love him or you consider him overrated. Perhaps the Pels GM considers him overrated.

Looks like some guys on Liberty Ballers are right. Simmons sucks against good teams and has great stats against bad teams that's why to some he is great.

Yea he really posts fat stat lines against lousy teams. Wake me up when he has a good game against bucks, Celtics, raptors, warrrior etc and the 76ers winZ I will legit be impressed at that point
You mean like the 26/12/8 on 11 of 13 shooting he had against Toronto in his most recent game against the Raptors.

You realize Leonard didn't play that game right? Toronto without Leonard is guess what? A bad team.
They are 8-2 without Leonard this year and just beat Indiana by 16 without him.  The 2 games before Philly in which Leonard didn't play were back to back road victories by 20 or more points against the Clippers and then Warriors.  Early in the year, they also won back to back road games against the Lakers and Jazz by 14 and 13 respectively, again without Leonard. 

Perhaps you might want to reevaluate your position on the Raptors without Leonard.

If you really think a team a raptors team missing leonard (and jonas) is a good team, i don't really know what to tell you. They have some nice wins without him for sure, but that is probably as much teams overlooking them once Leonard is out.

 I can also tell you that when Leonard did actually play Simmons had 8 points and 7 turnovers and only took 6 shots
Simmons was also +1 in that game because he had 10 rebounds and 11 assists (and he made 4 of those 6 shots) and he was a monster defensively.  I mean Lowry was 2 of 8 for 7 points, 4 boards, and 4 assists and Danny Green was even worse (i.e. the starting backcourt of which Simmons was a key defensive component guarding).  Why ignore the good things Simmons does?  And of course, Leonard didn't guard Simmons, he was on Butler who ended with 38 points and 10 rebounds.  Embiid's 5 of 17 and -23 was the reason the Sixers lost that game.  Of course that doesn't fit your narrative, which is why you didn't bother to mention that.

What exactly is my narrative? I have a belief that the elite teams in the east can neutralize some of simmons flaws. Many articles by third party sites have discussed this. It is not something I came up with on my own. He struggled against us in the playoffs last year. I think he is a very good player and has a chance to be really great. Not really sure what is so controversial about it. And if someone says they would like to see him put up a complete game against an elite team a few times in wins, is that controversial?
We have shown that we can expose some of Simmons flaws.  I wouldn't necessarily propagate that to the other top teams in the East.  From a Derek Bodner after their Xmas loss to us.

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In the nine games the Sixers have played against the Celtics over the past two seasons, Simmons has the worst plus/minus on the team. Itís not even close. The team is -125 in the 403 minutes Simmons has played against Boston, which includes a -37 in four regular-season games last season, -63 in five playoff games and a -25 in the two games this season. The other two starters who have been here the entire time? Redick is a -15 in 350 minutes and Embiid is a +10 in 358

 

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